Von Miller & Bills trying to agree on contract?

[Brand J]

9 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Frankly, I don't want him back at any price next season. 

 

He played on a limited snap count this season and was gifted all the best pass rushing downs with little production. I think even a replacement level player would be able to get better production than Von in that type of situation. Despite being well rested for the playoffs he completely disappeared when we needed him the most.  

 

The narrative that he took a pay cut last year to help the team out really needs to stop. He restructured his contract so that he'd be able to keep more cash with the 4 game suspension

He had 30 something pressures and 6 sacks, all while missing multiple games and having limited time on the field. I think he was absolutely productive enough in that role. The fact he disappeared in the playoffs has to do with how little he was on the field. Whether that’s Von’s fault or the coaching staff thought they could get more out of other players, Von wasn’t given the opportunities. But as was mentioned above, Myles Garrett wouldn’t have made a huge impact against KC given how fast Mahomes got the ball out. Scheme and secondary were to blame.

[boyst]

Step:

1) Sign him to a cheap ass deal to offset his cap hit.

2) collect underpants 

3) market the hell out of it in a masterful sale to a team needing some good PR (Carolina, Chicago, Las Vegas) who could flaunt they got a future HOF for a 6th round pick. Who could squeeze the last juice out of him and sell the Von Miller hype.  Hell Denver could really market this well 

4) profit. 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 hours ago, sullim4 said:

 

This would be the reason I would get rid of him.

 

I don't see him as a "cancer" or a problem in the locker room.  I don't think he's the most upstanding human being, but I also think for the organization he seems to be well liked and he is trying to make a deal to stay.  I think you reward that, especially given the Cook situation where he may hold out for more money.  Also understand that as the season goes on... perhaps Miller's snap count goes down and you start plugging in younger talent.

 

Except Von occupies a roster spot that can't be used on said younger player.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

7 minutes ago, Brand J said:

He had 30 something pressures and 6 sacks, all while missing multiple games and having limited time on the field. I think he was absolutely productive enough in that role. The fact he disappeared in the playoffs has to do with how little he was on the field. Whether that’s Von’s fault or the coaching staff thought they could get more out of other players, Von wasn’t given the opportunities. But as was mentioned above, Myles Garrett wouldn’t have made a huge impact against KC given how fast Mahomes got the ball out. Scheme and secondary were to blame.

 

He racked up a bunch of Jerry Hughes type pressures (getting close enough to the QB to be called a pressure, but not actually impacting the play) against bad O-lines. Believe he had 9 pressures in the 1st Patriots game. 

[dpberr]

He's going to be 36.  I'd prefer the Bills give that roster spot to a younger player.  

 

I understand why he wants to keep playing.  He's not that far from Top 20 all time in sacks, and theoretically, Top 10, with a fantastic year.  (Per Pro Football Reference)

 

[Brand J]

10 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

He racked up a bunch of Jerry Hughes type pressures (getting close enough to the QB to be called a pressure, but not actually impacting the play) against bad O-lines. Believe he had 9 pressures in the 1st Patriots game. 

He also had 6 sacks while missing 4 games and playing a fraction of the snaps. Only 2 less than our sack leader (who also went against bad OLs). You’re too harsh on Von, if the Bills can work out the pay cut I’m all for bringing him back. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

12 minutes ago, Brand J said:

He also had 6 sacks while missing 4 games and playing a fraction of the snaps. Only 2 less than our sack leader (who also went against bad OLs). You’re too harsh on Von, if the Bills can work out the pay cut I’m all for bringing him back. 

 

Sure he 'missed' 4 games. Alternatively, you could say he was suspended for 4 games for choking out his pregnant girlfriend. 

 

The limited snap count should help increase his number of sacks since he's only going out there on obvious passing plays with fresh legs.  

 

Every single one of his sacks this year came on 3rd or 4th and long (IE obvious passing plays). You could replace him with a mediocre player and get similar results. 

 

3rd & 10 at ARI 19

(5:08 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Murray sacked at ARZ 14 for -5 yards (V.Miller).

4th & Goal at BUF 8

(2:43 - 3rd) (Shotgun) S.Thompson sacked at BUF 15 for -7 yards (V.Miller).

4th & Goal at BUF 17

(14:13 - 4th) (Shotgun) T.Lawrence sacked at BUF 27 for -10 yards (V.Miller).

3rd & 10 at KC 30

(9:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes sacked at KC 21 for -9 yards (V.Miller).

3rd & 6 at NYJ 19

(3:47 - 3rd) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at NYJ 11 for -8 yards (V.Miller). NYJ-M.Mitchell was injured during the play.

3rd & 13 at NE 27

(14:08 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Maye sacked at NE 18 for -9 yards (V.Miller).

 

He had 2 meaningful sacks all year (vs Cardinals and Chiefs). Sacks vs Dolphins, Jaguars, and Jets were all in garbage time. The sack vs Patriots might as well have been a pre-season game. 

 

 

 

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Yep - it actually makes AJE the most likely "odd-man out" should we add another pass rusher.  

Epenesa was just signed to a new deal last year. Cutting him would produce 4 million in dead cap and save only 3 million.

 

He is pretty cost effective for what he is. There isn't a reason to cut him.

Edited Friday at 04:18 PM by MJS

[Mark Vader]

12 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Joe Marino of Locked on Bills feels that keeping Von takes snaps from a younger player the Bills might draft or sign. I can see the point. 

I see the point too, although Miller is not an every down player. I don't think that someone like Javon Solomon or any other player the Bills bring in would lose out on significant playing time.

[Buffalo Ballin]

Cheap azz deal. Extremely low risk for us. Done.

[Logic]

It's really the best possible outcome for both sides.

It's become popular among some Bills fans to hate on Von because he did not represent good ROI for what the Bills paid.

But the truth of the matter is that he DID offer quality pass rushing reps last year and DOES still have something to offer.

It's best for Von to stay in a locker room he already knows and loves and have another shot at a Super Bowl. It's best for the Bills (from a cap and on-field standpoint) to have him here on a reduced deal.

Obviously, if he's not willing to take a big enough pay cut, then cutting him outright becomes the preferable outcome. But so long as he's willing to be team-friendly in his contract expectations, it'd be better to have him here for cheap than to cut him and take on the dead cap.

[Mat68]

If he agrees to a similar slightly less deal he did last season do it.  His production and injury history is better than Bosa and likely less expensive. Would still want Hendrickson.  Hendrickson, Miller, Rousseau and a rookie with Epenesea and Solomon is not a bad room.  

[DrDawkinstein]

15 hours ago, Lost said:

I would talk him into retiring and offer him a coaching role of some kind.  

 

Retiring would be horrible for the Bills as that immediately escalates all owed/dead money into our cap. It does NOT wipe his money off the books. Rather, the opposite.

 

He needs to take a big pay cut first, sign a new deal, and then can retire if he wants to.

2 hours ago, boyst said:

Step:

1) Sign him to a cheap ass deal to offset his cap hit.

2) collect underpants 

3) market the hell out of it in a masterful sale to a team needing some good PR (Carolina, Chicago, Las Vegas) who could flaunt they got a future HOF for a 6th round pick. Who could squeeze the last juice out of him and sell the Von Miller hype.  Hell Denver could really market this well 

4) profit. 

 

I was confused when I read "collect underpants", and then even worse when you mentioned "squeezing the juice out of him"...

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Say what you want about Von, but not many pro athletes are willing to do this sort of thing

 

props to him if he takes another big paycut

 

& who knows maybe he could stay healthy and manage to get 8-10 sacks 

Von Miller is what he is at this point. A solid rotational player that can make big plays here & there. He’s got the knowledge, but his body is failing him. Every once in a while he’ll show flashes of the old player he once was. I think he’s an asset if he does take a major pay cut. Not a bad guy to have in the lineup if your team gets hit with injuries. 

[SoCal Deek]

Let him walk. Keeping guys around long after their prime is a very drought-years approach. Time to move on. If Von wants to win a Super Bowl with another team let him try his luck in Detroit. 

[Gugny]

15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Say what you want about Von, but not many pro athletes are willing to do this sort of thing

 

props to him if he takes another big paycut

 

& who knows maybe he could stay healthy and manage to get 8-10 sacks 

It’s almost enough to make me forget about the times he’s punched women. 
 

Oh wait … not it’s not. 
 

Pure scum, this guy.  

[BillMafia716ix]

I know they probably wanted to preserve his legs for late in the year but I thought Von deserved to play more snaps. He’s better than AJE. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

16 hours ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

That's basically what Joe Marino has been saying for the past week. He must take a pay cut at least equivalent to the $8.3 million (I may not have remembered exactly correct, but I'm sure I'm close) cap relief we'd get by cutting him. Marino says even then he's fine either way, would kind of prefer to just cut him and get younger.

Cut him and get younger that's the way to go

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

It’s almost enough to make me forget about the times he’s punched women. 
 

Oh wait … not it’s not. 
 

Pure scum, this guy.  

 

Actually, no charges were filed. I wasn't there, I have no idea what happened.  

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Actually, no charges were filed. I wasn't there, I have no idea what happened.  

You have an idea what happened. 
 

We all know what happened. 
 

In all honesty, as much as it bothers me that the NFL turns a blind eye to domestic violence, at the end of the day … I’m still watching. 
 

And if Von Miller wasn’t 75 years old and slower than Stephen Hawking, As long as he helped us win a Super Bowl, I’d love having him on the Bills. 
 

But he is an overpaid liability.  And we’re stuck with him. 
 

Anyway … he’s a woman abuser. Charges or no charges. 
 

We all know this.