Von Miller & Bills trying to agree on contract?

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

In all honesty, as much as it bothers me that the NFL turns a blind eye to domestic violence, at the end of the day … I’m still watching. 

 

There's an entire discussion in this about employers and how much they should be meddling in personal/out-of-work lives.

 

If most of any of us get hit with a DUI, or even arrested for DV, most of our employers wouldnt even know and it wouldnt affect our employment at all. And to a certain extent, nor should it.

 

I get that with the NFL, and pro sports in general, it's a little different since their entire industry is based on being in the spotlight and well-liked. And we, the fans, give them this opportunity to make millions of dollars a year to play a game, so therefore there is a bit of a higher standard.

 

But it isnt on the NFL to be the legal system.

 

Now if a player is charged and convicted, sure, go for it. Suspend, ban, etc. Just like I would lose my job if I had to go spend a few months in jail.

 

But I get why they are harder on things like gambling and PEDs, which directly affect the product and employer, as opposed to off-field legal issues.

 

I'll stop because this isnt really the soap box I want to be on. Just sayin, it makes some sense why...

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

There's an entire discussion in this about employers and how much they should be meddling in personal/out-of-work lives.

 

If most of any of us get hit with a DUI, or even arrested for DV, most of our employers wouldnt even know and it wouldnt affect our employment at all. And to a certain extent, nor should it.

 

I get that with the NFL, and pro sports in general, it's a little different since their entire industry is based on being in the spotlight and well-liked. And we, the fans, give them this opportunity to make millions of dollars a year to play a game, so therefore there is a bit of a higher standard.

 

But it isnt on the NFL to be the legal system.

 

Now if a player is charged and convicted, sure, go for it. Suspend, ban, etc. Just like I would lose my job if I had to go spend a few months in jail.

 

But I get why they are harder on things like gambling and PEDs, which directly affect the product and employer, as opposed to off-field legal issues.

 

I'll stop because this isnt really the soap box I want to be on. Just sayin, it makes some sense why...

Nobody has a $200 shirt with my name on the back of it.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Low Positive said:

Nobody has a $200 shirt with my name on the back of it.

 

Well how many have you made and put up for sale?

 

You never know...

[LLCoolCy]

25 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Cut him and get younger that's the way to go

 

Younger doesn't equal better. Von had some flashes last year and will be on the books for roughly 8 million if cut.  That's 8 million that can't be spent on any addition young or old.  That is unless Von takes a pay cut to the 8 Million and then he's just playing for the Bills on what it'll cost them this year no matter what. Personally I would rather just keep Von at the 8million on the books than cut him and still have to spend and additional 2 mill on a Toohill type for a 4th DE type. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

3 minutes ago, LLCoolCy said:

 

Younger doesn't equal better. Von had some flashes last year and will be on the books for roughly 8 million if cut.  That's 8 million that can't be spent on any addition young or old.  That is unless Von takes a pay cut to the 8 Million and then he's just playing for the Bills on what it'll cost them this year no matter what. Personally I would rather just keep Von at the 8million on the books than cut him and still have to spend and additional 2 mill on a Toohill type for a 4th DE type. 

Time to move on Von has been a major disappointment and he's reached the end of his career give his snaps to Solomon let him develop properly 

[SectionC3]

I remain of the opinion that only one of Von/AJE is here next year.  If Von take the pay cut, then AJE probably hits the market.  

[BuffaloRebound]

11 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I remain of the opinion that only one of Von/AJE is here next year.  If Von take the pay cut, then AJE probably hits the market.  

not a huge epenesa fan, but good luck finding a 25 year old Defensive end as good as Epenesa for $5m.  

[TBBills Fan]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Retiring would be horrible for the Bills as that immediately escalates all owed/dead money into our cap. It does NOT wipe his money off the books. Rather, the opposite.

 

He needs to take a big pay cut first, sign a new deal, and then can retire if he wants to.

 

I was confused when I read "collect underpants", and then even worse when you mentioned "squeezing the juice out of him"...

 

South Park reference

 

 

[boyst]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Retiring would be horrible for the Bills as that immediately escalates all owed/dead money into our cap. It does NOT wipe his money off the books. Rather, the opposite.

 

He needs to take a big pay cut first, sign a new deal, and then can retire if he wants to.

 

I was confused when I read "collect underpants", and then even worse when you mentioned "squeezing the juice out of him"...

 

South Park reference from the underpants gnomes. 

[buffalostu2]

18 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

The rush against Arizona late in the game still stands out to me.  
 

It was a good “get right” season for him derailed by the suspension.  
 

Keep him at 30 percent of the snaps; free up cap space.  I think his presence is important.  

You have to play special teams in that small a role.  Also, are you taking someone else off the field on third down for Von?

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

South Park reference from the underpants gnomes. 

 

I'm already convinced you want Von's underwear and nothing is going to change my mind.

[buffalostu2]

Can't be sentimental if we want to get over the hump.  He was in a reduced role this year and we didn't see much.  Also, who do you take off the field to put him in for third downs?   

 

If he takes a pay cut and plays a reduced role, he needs to be a special teamer as well.   He was worth the flyer but it is time to move on IMO

[nosejob]

2 hours ago, LLCoolCy said:

 

Younger doesn't equal better. Von had some flashes last year and will be on the books for roughly 8 million if cut.  That's 8 million that can't be spent on any addition young or old.  That is unless Von takes a pay cut to the 8 Million and then he's just playing for the Bills on what it'll cost them this year no matter what. Personally I would rather just keep Von at the 8million on the books than cut him and still have to spend and additional 2 mill on a Toohill type for a 4th DE type. 

....And Star's a space eater, DQ demands double teams and Tremaine's wingspan cover 2/3rds of the field. Hell no to Von eating 3rd downs and maybe getting 7-8 sacks. It's time to move on.

Edited Friday at 10:09 PM by nosejob

[boyst]

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'm already convinced you want Von's underwear and nothing is going to change my mind.

Is there something wrong with that?

[Turbo44]

6 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

I remain of the opinion that only one of Von/AJE is here next year.  If Von take the pay cut, then AJE probably hits the market.  

AJE Hits the market? He’s under contract next year so no clue what you’re talking about 

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

AJE Hits the market? He’s under contract next year so no clue what you’re talking about 

Cut. 

[NewEra]

14 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Incorrect.

 

Von didn't disappear, he was "disappeared."

 

Von only played 16 snaps... by far the least of our edge players (Rousseau played 51 snaps, Epenesa 46, and Smoot 20).

 

When Von was brought in by the Bills (less than 2 months after 13 seconds) it was clearly stated that it was because they needed to put more pressure on Mahomes.

 

Von could have easily redeemed the Bills acquisition of him with one single timely sack but incredibly, by gluing him to the bench, McDermott/Babich didn't give Von a real opportunity to make that one play which would have justified his entire 3 year Bills career.

 

Coaching malpractice.

 

💯-  couldn’t believe how mcd kept him on the bench.  That game was the reason Beane signed him.  And he plays 16 snaps.  I was miffed. 
 

in hindsight, likely a big mistake.  One big defensive play could’ve changed the game. He more capable of that than the other guys that were getting snaps.  Sigh

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Time to move on Von has been a major disappointment and he's reached the end of his career give his snaps to Solomon let him develop properly 

 

I think you can get Solomon more reps and keep Von for the betterment of the team this offseason.

 

Cutting him now saves us 8.4m on the cap, but costs us 15.4m in Dead Cap.

 

Cutting him with a Post June 1st designation saves us 17.4m on the cap and costs us 6.4m in Dead Cap - but we can't use that 17.4m until after June 1st, when the market has been picked to the bones.

 

If he takes a massive pay cut, that could save us closer to the June 1st cap savings number that we can use right away - to turn that down would amount to biting off our nose to spite our face.

 

That kind of pay cut to keep Von as opposed to cutting him very likely would be the difference between being able to add another difference maker or not. 

Edited yesterday at 03:31 AM by BillsFanForever19

[Joe Marino]

von be gone.

[billsfan89]

On 3/6/2025 at 9:59 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

Seems like a workable solution to me. The Bills by cutting Von only save 8 million and they probably have to add another 1-2 million added for a additional roster spot Von is no longer occupying. By doing something similar to this type of deal The Bills gain an extra 3 million off the bat and have one more roster spot filled. 

 

Von to me last season was still a productive player, he wasn't the elite one sack a game player he was in 2022 prior to the injury (a sack a game playing 55% of snaps is elite, Garrett that year was at the same pack sack wise playing 74% of snaps for reference, of course Garrett is a much better run defender) but Von in 2024 was still producing as a high level rotational DE. 

 

If you gain some cap relief by keeping him and you still have a productive DE3 who is a former Super Bowl MVP with 2 rings I don't see the issue with brining him back for one more season. Von's dead cap in 2026 is 9 million a much easier amount to just eat. 

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think you can get Solomon more reps and keep Von for the betterment of the team this offseason.

 

Cutting him now saves us 8.4m on the cap, but costs us 15.4m in Dead Cap.

 

Cutting him with a Post June 1st designation saves us 17.4m on the cap and costs us 6.4m in Dead Cap - but we can't use that 17.4m until after June 1st, when the market has been picked to the bones.

 

If he takes a massive pay cut, which he'll be taking anyways if he were to be cut, that could save us closer to the June 1st cap savings number that we can use right away - to turn that down would amount to biting off our nose to spite our face.

 

I'm not too worried about Von eating into Solomon and other DE's snaps. There will be injuries and the Bills play a heavy D-line rotation. Assuming Von is willing to work out a pay cut that saves the Bills 11ish million in cap space (an extra 3 million plus filling one more roster spot could be something like 4-5 million in total savings) he's more than worth being the DE 3/4.