Poll: Would you rather have 1000yds & 10TDs or 13 Sacks & 10 TFLs?

[notpolian]

Give me a GM who can draft either one.

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm adding the sacks and TFLs because we already have Josh and an offense that can score 30+ every game.

[GASabresIUFan]

3 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Seems intuitive that TDs would be more correlated with winning.  Should note that in 2020 and 2024 (our two best Josh seasons) we had 56 and 62 TDs and only 38 and 39 sacks.  2021, 2022, 2023 all had more sacks and less TDs.  So more TDs all day please.

We’ve lost in the playoffs because of bad defense the last two years.  It seems to me that upgrading the defense is much more important.

[26TrapDraw]

it's a hundred percent obvious what the Bills need to do this offseason to the defense. I'm sure Beane knows it. Not sure how much he does but the piece of wood holding open the superbowl window is starting to Creak.

 

Let's Go Brandon!

[Chicken Boo]

1,000 yards and 10TDs. On top of Josh and Cook's production, that's a winner. 

[nedboy7]

Wow. So just 5 more sacks from groot and we win it all. 

[YattaOkasan]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well my main point was that those 10 TD's for example are going to be scored by this offense no matter what.  Doesn't mattter if its a top 5 WR getting them or if its spread around other guys, or its Allen or Cook running them in, etc.  We score those TD's already, you are more just changing whose stat sheet records them, not generating an additional 10 TD's we were not previously already scoring.  

 

But on defense, adding more negative plays such as sacks, TFL's and also pressures (which wasn't initially included but comes with sacks and TFL's increasing) will reduce opponents scoring, increase the effectiveness of the rest of the defense as QB's tend to make more mistakes under more pressure or the threat of pressure.  And by default that also gives our offense more scoring opportunities by getting off the filed on 3rd down more times rather than allowing extended drives, especially given our defense was amongst the bottom of the league in 3rd conversions and first downs allowed.

 

So the defensive guy in this scenario does more for this team...both defensively and offensively by giving the offense more TOP through getting off the field more, and with more TOP they have more opportunities to score.  

 

And IMHO the debate really isn't even close in this case as to which player benefits the teams overall success more.  

 

 

Maybe that’s where this is getting weird. I read as 10 TDs on top of what we did. Your post seemingly says those 10 TDS would come from someone else. So if it’s effectively of no benefit then (cause they came from someone else) then yeah that stat line is of course worse.
 

I think 10 more TDs (on top of what we had) would have been more impactful than 13 more sacks on top of what we had.  You also mention pressures but that’s not in the OP. It just says stat line doesn’t say player who could. I read it different than you is all and it was still close.  
 

yes if you say those 10 TDs would come from other players (thus not increasing points scored which is my whole thesis) and 13 sacks also brings pressures all on top of what everyone else did then that’s obviously better.  
 

But if it’s what would be more impactful the bills scoring 10 more TDS and getting 1k more yards or getting 13 more sacks and 10 TFL (very low) I’m taking points and significantly more yardage. 
 

if this is another should we address offense or defense thread then I agree with you and address defense. But it was posed a bit differently. I would rather a 13 sack guy than a 1k and 10TD guy. 

Edited Friday at 05:29 AM by YattaOkasan

[Alphadawg7]

39 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Maybe that’s where this is getting weird. I read as 10 TDs on top of what we did. Your post seemingly says those 10 TDS would come from someone else. So if it’s effectively of no benefit then (cause they came from someone else) then yeah that stat line is of course worse.
 

I think 10 more TDs (on top of what we had) would have been more impactful than 13 more sacks on top of what we had.  You also mention pressures but that’s not in the OP. It just says stat line doesn’t say player who could. I read it different than you is all and it was still close.  
 

yes if you say those 10 TDs would come from other players (thus not increasing points scored which is my whole thesis) and 13 sacks also brings pressures all on top of what everyone else did then that’s obviously better.  
 

But if it’s what would be more impactful the bills scoring 10 more TDS and getting 1k more yards or getting 13 more sacks and 10 TFL (very low) I’m taking points and significantly more yardage. 
 

if this is another should we address offense or defense thread then I agree with you and address defense. But it was posed a bit differently. I would rather a 13 sack guy than a 1k and 10TD guy. 

I was being realistic about the stat lines more than just adding magic numbers in if that makes sense.

 

We have scored more points over the last 5 years than any team in league and in 2024 we were 16th in nfl history in PPG even though Allen sat week 17, and several weeks we took the 4th quarter off or even most the 2nd half in quite a few games as we were blowing them out.  
 

So just adding a new WR first off means they are taking the snaps and production away from someone else.  So it’s not just 10 more TDS, they are replacing production that was already in this offense and spread around and instead getting enough targets to do it themselves.  
 

To add 10 more TDs overall to this offense that was already one of the greatest in terms of points in history is no small feat.  Especially when that would mean we again had a lot of blow out wins where we took the foot off the gas late in games if we are scoring that many points again.  
 

The offense only gets so many opportunities.  Bengals with both Chase and Higgins don’t score as much as we do.  Neither do the Eagles, the SB champs who have Saquan and two stud WRs.  
 

So that was where I was coming from, the realism of what those stats would mean.  And adding more pressures, sacks, and TFLs would lead to more 3rd down stops and points to get the ball back in Allen’s hands more, which also helps the offense.  
 

All good, just explaining how I interpreted the poll

[GunnerBill]

I'd rather have the most talented difference making player I can get. At the start of the offseason I'd have ranked them as 1. Garrett, 2. Crosby, 3. DK Metcalf, 4. Hendriksen. Crosby is off the market. So my order of preference is as remaining. I think the Bills need to stop, both in FA and the draft, thinking in terms of this position vs that position and start thinking premium position difference makers ranked by pure ability. Take the best one first whether he is an edge or a receiver. 

[H2o]

Defense wins championships. The two SB's Mahomes has lost, it's because the defense was all over him at every turn. And the KC defense had nothing for the Eagles offense. Give me Garrett, and get two 320lb+ big guys to play the 1 Tech. Watch what happens. 

[YattaOkasan]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I was being realistic about the stat lines more than just adding magic numbers in if that makes sense.

 

We have scored more points over the last 5 years than any team in league and in 2024 we were 16th in nfl history in PPG even though Allen sat week 17, and several weeks we took the 4th quarter off or even most the 2nd half in quite a few games as we were blowing them out.  
 

So just adding a new WR first off means they are taking the snaps and production away from someone else.  So it’s not just 10 more TDS, they are replacing production that was already in this offense and spread around and instead getting enough targets to do it themselves.  
 

To add 10 more TDs overall to this offense that was already one of the greatest in terms of points in history is no small feat.  Especially when that would mean we again had a lot of blow out wins where we took the foot off the gas late in games if we are scoring that many points again.  
 

The offense only gets so many opportunities.  Bengals with both Chase and Higgins don’t score as much as we do.  Neither do the Eagles, the SB champs who have Saquan and two stud WRs.  
 

So that was where I was coming from, the realism of what those stats would mean.  And adding more pressures, sacks, and TFLs would lead to more 3rd down stops and points to get the ball back in Allen’s hands more, which also helps the offense.  
 

All good, just explaining how I interpreted the poll

It’s all magic on some level of this hypothetical. Particularly if you start thinking about the ramifications of adding the stats (first downs gained and lost, GAME SCRIPT which was huge for the team). We did the assignment different.  As you say adding 10 TDS is no small feat cause we would have been all time efficient.  I think that takes us further. But am looking for that this offseason?  No. It seems easier to get a 13 sack guy (of which there are not many) than get another 10TDs from the offense. And it’s def easier to find a 9+ sack guy. 

[ddaryl]

to our current situation.

Josh can work with what we have. What he can not overcome is a defense that cannot stop other high octane offenses

[Gregg]

Give me the upgrade on defense. That is the main reason the Bills haven't won a Super Bowl. 

[Lost]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Give me the upgrade on defense. That is the main reason the Bills haven't won a Super Bowl. 

 

Bills had the #1 ranked defense in the NFL in 2021 but still let the 13 seconds debacle happen and did absolutely nothing in OT to stop them from marching right down the field and winning.  

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Lost said:

 

Bills had the #1 ranked defense in the NFL in 2021 but still let the 13 seconds debacle happen and did absolutely nothing in OT to stop them from marching right down the field and winning.  

 

They were a paper tiger on defense and still are. That ranking came mostly by padding the stats against bad teams with bad QB's. When facing good QBs with good offenses the defense got exposed all the time especially by Mahomes and Burrow. They need to improve their front 4 both in getting after the QB and stopping the run.

[hondo in seattle]

16 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

A lot of receivers can get 1k yards and 10 TDs if Josh throws them the ball. Josh can't sack opposing QBs. Get the pass rusher.

 

Bull, I get your point but let's count how many receivers got 1k yards and 10 TDs last season with Josh throwing them the ball.  

 

Either our receiver corps is really weak, or Brady can't scheme wideouts.  In either case, a 1,000 yard receiver with 10 TDs would be a welcome addition.  

[Sweats]

D wins championships and i'll go to my grave swearing by it.

[Alphadawg7]

30 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Bills had the #1 ranked defense in the NFL in 2021 but still let the 13 seconds debacle happen and did absolutely nothing in OT to stop them from marching right down the field and winning.  

 

But, no one on that defense was a difference maker.  There were no elite players on that team...their best defender that was the only real difference maker (Tre) tore his ACL on Thanksgiving.  

 

Its not about defensive rankings...its about having guys who can make the plays when they need to.  Chiefs didn't field the top defense in the league each of the last 3 years, but they had guys like Chris Jones make huge plays to close out games, including beating us at home and preventing a TD to a wide open Aiyuk by blowing up the OL and getting to Brock on down and goal to help seal that SB win.  

 

And here...we give up 35 PPG to the Chiefs in our 4 playoff losses, while those same Chief teams lost the next game 3 of those times averaging just 17 PPG in those 3 games.  So what that tells me is that our scheme is part of the problem, KC just has their kryptonite against our defense (we were the only team to allow them to score over 30 this year, again a week before they were down 34-0 at one point in the SB).  If you want to over come that, you better have some players who can succeed on some plays despite the scheme struggles.  

[MJS]

The 13 sack number states we have an elite impact maker at edge rushers, which is something the team has lacked for a long time. I'd choose that and it isn't close.

 

We already have a player on the team who could conceivably be a 1000 yard, 10TD guy. Khalil Shakir. We don't have anyone on the team who has shown they could be a 13 sack guy.

[Mr. WEO]

Babich ran the worst D in 4 years.  Maybe Garrett brings it back to top 5?  So what?  Another Mario Williams move.  

 

 

I would still take the TDs....