Jags release Christian Kirk, seems like a Billsy move

[TheBeaneBandit]

2 hours ago, folz said:

 

Yeah, I'm not quite sure why anyone is enamored with Hollywood Brown (or would want him as a FA). Sure, his first three years he looked like he might be a player on the rise, but the last three years have not gone well for him.

 

Over the last three years

-he has only played in 28 of a possible 51 games.

-he has 1,374 yards and 7 TDs (3 year totals---good for an average of 49 yards and 0.25 TDs per game---when he was on the field)

-6-year career total is 3,735 yards and 28 TDs

[He's 27 years old]

 

I'm not sure how much more I'd want Kirk, but being friends with Josh does make it more interesting (would they have great chemistry?). I have always liked him as a player, I just don't know if his presence would create some redundancy in the WR room. But maybe if they keep expanding on the "everyone eats" philosophy, they could make it work. Looking at Kirk's last three years in comparison to Brown, he has certainly fared a bit better than Hollywood.

 

Kirk's last three years:

-played 37 of a possible 51 games

-he has 2,274 yards and 12 TDs (good for an average of 61.5 yards and 0.32 TDs per game)

-7-year career total is 5,176 yards and 29 TDs

[He's 28 years old---6 months older than Hollywood]

 

 

 

That was three years ago (he was 25 years old). Maybe 3 years in Jacksonville has changed his mind. Do you want to be warm and have fun off the field? Or do you want to have fun on the field and contend for a championship?

 

 

 

Yes, Kirk has had a good number of injuries over his career and it's definitely something to weigh into the conversation of course, but just to correct you, he has had 3 seasons of more than 13 games played (not just one). From 2020-2022, he only missed 2 games in 3 seasons. 2021 and 2022, he did not miss any games. He's played 93 of a total 116 games in his career---missing 23 games in 7 years (or on average 3.2 games per season). 

 

Nine of those 23 games missed were last year when he broke his collarbone. [Before the collarbone injury, he had missed 14 games in 6+ seasons---or about 2.15 games per season on average.] I broke my collarbone when I was younger. It is an extremely painful injury, but it is not too long of a recovery (like 6-8 weeks and then just building your strength back) and there are really no lingering issues with the injury (so he should be pretty close to 100% at this point, if not already there). But, he did end both of the last two season on IR, so I do get the concern.

 

Kirk injuries, last 5 seasons:

2024: broken collarbone--9 games missed

2023: groin tear--5 games missed

2022: no injuries--no games missed

2021: no injuries--no games missed

2020: groin pull--missed 2 games

 

It'll be similar for Xavier Worthy... little guy gonna break down fast as he is fast🤷

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

He's a Slot. We just re-uppsd Shakir. Not seeing the fit - unless you're moving on from Kincaid and giving Kirk his slot reps. Which I don't see Beane doing.

He’s not slot only.  He’s proven that.  He barely played any slot his first 3 years.  He doesn’t have the prototypical physical traits of an outside guy, but he’s certainly capable.  He’s a vertical threat that can be used all over the field.  His talents may be maximized playing in the slot….but he can get the job done.  
 

he’s not my first choice….but he’d be a nice backup option if we can’t get DK or another true WR1.  

[H2o]

So we have our new Beasley in Shakir, and now we can get our new John Brown. 

[JerseyBills]

That'd be a very nice pickup , bro can ball

[NewEra]

After playing the majority of his snaps in the slot for the jags, Kirk has played 43% of his snaps outside.  

[Don Otreply]

Why the continued want of older guys that are likely past their prime? Other than cost as a plus, how does this improve the team? 

Edited 8 hours ago by Don Otreply

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

He’s not slot only.  He’s proven that.  He barely played any slot his first 3 years.  He doesn’t have the prototypical physical traits of an outside guy, but he’s certainly capable.  He’s a vertical threat that can be used all over the field.  His talents may be maximized playing in the slot….but he can get the job done.  
 

he’s not my first choice….but he’d be a nice backup option if we can’t get DK or another true WR1.  

 

The exact same thing was said to a T about Curtis Samuel last season. He was even listed as starting on the perimeter on the Depth Chart. And guess what? He still played nearly half (42%) from the Slot for us last season.

 

50 minutes ago, NewEra said:

After playing the majority of his snaps in the slot for the jags, Kirk has played 43% of his snaps outside.  

 

Nope - https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/christian-kirk/

 

2024 - 76.8% from the Slot

2023 - 67.4% from the Slot

2022 - 52.0 % from the Slot

2021 - 49.0%  from the Slot

 

That's 38.7% on the Perimeter for the last 4 years, including his last year in Arizona. You don't take a guy who's been on the Outside 28% over the past two seasons and 38.7 % over the past 4 and make them a full time Outside guy. As we learned with Samuel, most players who move to the Slot - do so for a reason. Unless you're moving on from Kincaid, I don't see the need for another Samuel tweener. And saying "well, he did it 5-8 seasons ago" is a gamble.

 

Especially when he didn't blow up until he moved to the Slot. His average over those 3 years on the perimiter was 640 yards a season. With his highest yardage total being 709 yards. He was moved to the Slot bc, like Samuel, that's where he's most effective. And it's not like Jacksonville moved him to the Slot. Arizona moved him there before he left too. He hasn't exactly "proven" the perimeter is where he belongs.

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The exact same thing was said to a T about Curtis Samuel last season. He was even listed as starting on the perimeter on the Depth Chart. And guess what? He still played nearly half (42%) from the Slot for us last season.

 

 

Nope - https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/christian-kirk/

 

2024 - 76.8% from the Slot

2023 - 67.4% from the Slot

2022 - 52.0 % from the Slot

2021 - 49.0%  from the Slot

 

That's 38.7% on the Perimeter for the last 4 years, including his last year in Arizona. You don't take a guy who's been on the Outside 28% over the past two seasons and 38.7 % over the past 4 and make them a full time Outside guy. As we learned with Samuel, most players who move to the Slot - do so for a reason. Unless you're moving on from Kincaid, I don't see the need for another Samuel tweener. And saying "well, he did it 5-8 seasons ago" is a gamble.

 

Especially when he didn't blow up until he moved to the Slot. His average over those 3 years on the perimiter was 640 yards a season. With his highest yardage total being 709 yards. He was moved to the Slot bc, like Samuel, that's where he's most effective. He hasn't exactly "proven" the perimeter is where he belongs.

Yeah-  the team that wanted him as a slot used him as a slot.  That’s has nothing to do with him prior to joining the jags-  where he played predominantly outside and played very well.

 

You’re acting like he’s not able or hasn’t been good playing outside.  He’s able and he’s been good.  He has the ability…. It doesn’t matter that Jacksonville didn’t use him there.  
 

he had 590 in 12 games with Palmer, gabbert and Stanton.

709 in 13 games with Rosen, Bradford and glennon

and 621 in 14 games (opposite Hopkins getting 160 targets) with Murray.

 

he was good outside with bums throwing him the ball.  He’s never NOT been able to play outside.  The jags thought he was best in the slot (and I agree that’s true), but he can still run the route tree and is good deep

 

53 minutes ago, NewEra said:

After playing the majority of his snaps in the slot for the jags, Kirk has played 43% of his snaps outside.  

@BillsFanForever19Not sure how you could disagree with this.  This is true-  it’s not something disagreeable.  In his career- he’s played 43% of his snaps outside.  

 

https://www.pennlive.com/steelers/2025/03/pittsburgh-steelers-players-recruiting-just-released-jaguars-wide-receiver-youre-a-steeler.html?outputType=amp

Edited 7 hours ago by NewEra

[Chicken Boo]

A far better option than Slayton.  

 

Why invest in a boundary wideout when the Bills don't seem interested in utilizing them?

[BillsFanForever19]

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah-  the team that wanted him as a slot used him as a slot.  That’s has nothing to do with him prior to joining the jags-  where he played predominantly outside and played very well.

 

You’re acting like he’s not able or hasn’t been good playing outside.  He’s able and he’s been good.  He has the ability…. It doesn’t matter that Jacksonville didn’t use him there.  
 

he had 590 in 12 games with Palmer, gabbert and Stanton.

709 in 13 games with Rosen, Bradford and glennon

and 621 in 14 games (opposite Hopkins getting 160 targets) with Murray.

 

he was good outside with bums throwing him the ball.  He’s never NOT been able to play outside.  The jags thought he was best in the slot (and I agree that’s true), but he can still run the route tree and is good deep

 

 

That 49% in 2021 came from Arizona. Even in his last year there, he was a 50/50 tweener. It wasn't just Jacksonville moving him there.

 

He's at best, a tweener. And at this point in his career, it's a gamble to try and move him back. A guy who's only years as a primarily Outside guy were in the range of 640 yards a season, 5-8 years ago before injuries doesn't exactly instill "proven" and "good" to me as a perimeter guy.  

 

28 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

 

@BillsFanForever19Not sure how you could disagree with this.  This is true-  it’s not something disagreeable.  In his career- he’s played 43% of his snaps outside.  

 

https://www.pennlive.com/steelers/2025/03/pittsburgh-steelers-players-recruiting-just-released-jaguars-wide-receiver-youre-a-steeler.html?outputType=amp

 

Maybe 43% of his snaps over the length of his entire career. That's not what you typed. And that is heavily swayed by the snaps he took 5-7 years ago, when he wasn't wowing anyone. The last 4 seasons are not that and the last two are REALLY not that. I go by the stats guys and not some random reporter from Penn Live - https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/christian-kirk/

 

Like I said - this is the Curtis Samuel situation to a T. Don't take Slot guys for Perimeter positions or Perimeter guys for Slot positions. I don't care what they did a half decade ago to a half decade plus. There's a reason those guys are there. And in Kirk's case, he wasn't a stud from the Perimeter at any point.

 

Our Slot is more than covered with Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel. If we're moving on from one of them, okay, look into a tweener. But right now we need primarily Outside guys to replace Cooper and/or Hollins. Kirk is not that. 

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[stinky finger]

Nice player. But not what we need. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The exact same thing was said to a T about Curtis Samuel last season. He was even listed as starting on the perimeter on the Depth Chart. And guess what? He still played nearly half (42%) from the Slot for us last season.

 

 

Nope - https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/christian-kirk/

 

2024 - 76.8% from the Slot

2023 - 67.4% from the Slot

2022 - 52.0 % from the Slot

2021 - 49.0%  from the Slot

 

That's 38.7% on the Perimeter for the last 4 years, including his last year in Arizona. You don't take a guy who's been on the Outside 28% over the past two seasons and 38.7 % over the past 4 and make them a full time Outside guy. As we learned with Samuel, most players who move to the Slot - do so for a reason. Unless you're moving on from Kincaid, I don't see the need for another Samuel tweener. And saying "well, he did it 5-8 seasons ago" is a gamble.

 

Especially when he didn't blow up until he moved to the Slot. His average over those 3 years on the perimiter was 640 yards a season. With his highest yardage total being 709 yards. He was moved to the Slot bc, like Samuel, that's where he's most effective. And it's not like Jacksonville moved him to the Slot. Arizona moved him there before he left too. He hasn't exactly "proven" the perimeter is where he belongs.

I will say, and obviously there are more factors that go into it, but his production took a hit when he moved to to primary slot WR. 

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Allen is a lot with no speed.  Far from a target imo.  Slayton. Definitely 

 

Allen is slow, but has still done a decent job getting open. But def want Slayton as my top WR target.  

[LABILLBACKER]

Do we get the 2022 version or the 2024 version?  Stop allowing Josh to select his receivers.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, stinky finger said:

Nice player. But not what we need. 

Agree, nice player but for 10M he just doesn't move the needle for me. We need a good, fast young wr on a cheap rookie deal.

[SydneyBillsFan]

14 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

 

More More MORE!

 

Is that 3yrs / 7 mil per?