KC to trade Joe Thuney to Bears

[Utah John]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Thuney for a 4th in next years draft is good time to bring up that Beane traded Cody Ford for a 5th.

Thuney is a lot better than Ford ever was, at least while he was with the Bills.  Ford is a slow-footed road grader, and the Bills offense involves a lot of pulling linemen.

[JP51]

I get this move for both teams... especially Chicago with a young QB protecting him has got to be a priority. 

[DrBob806]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bills and Chiefs have done a great job remaining at the top even with making tough roster decisions. 
 

Probably helps when you have the 2 best QBs in the league.

The top of the AFC East, yeah. For the next 3 years or so. 

[Mark80]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

The premise that the Chiefs intentionally weakened a group that was already suspect solely because the Bills defensive line is so pathetic that they can't pressure Mahomes even with only 2 offensive linemen seemed mostly accurate to you and deserving of a dismissive response?  

My god you are exhausting.  No, the premise that the Bills line isn't going to get pressure either way regardless.  Onto the ignored list.  Bye.

Edited 10 hours ago by Mark80

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Mark80 said:

My god you are exhausting.  No, the premise that the Bills line isn't going to get pressure either way regardless.  Bye.

I think its cute that you don't know which of us is actually exhausting.  I hope you learned something today.  

[foreboding]

Guessing Chiefs are drafting LT. 

[Success]

I don't like the Chiefs.

 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Utah John said:

Thuney is a lot better than Ford ever was, at least while he was with the Bills.  Ford is a slow-footed road grader, and the Bills offense involves a lot of pulling linemen.

I think his point was that if Thuney who is borderline one of the best IOL players in his time gets a 4th, getting a fifth for a big slow bust is pretty good

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I think his point was that if Thuney who is borderline one of the best IOL players in his time gets a 4th, getting a fifth for a big slow bust is pretty good

 

Thuney is going to be 33 this season and he's on a big contract. I would imagine that's why he went for such a relatively low cost in terms of draft capital. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Thuney is going to be 33 this season and he's on a big contract. I would imagine that's why he went for such a relatively low cost in terms of draft capital. 

Oh no doubt, that’s why. 
 

NFL trade values just make me laugh. They are nonsensical at times. Guy who is a complete bust at OL on the trade block 2 years after being drafted and may never have a season of starter quality OL play? 
 

I guess a fifth. 
 

Guy who is back to back first team all pro but may only have a few years left?

 

I guess we’ll go one round up on value. 
 

I firmly believe that some economist who follows the NFL could team build circles around these dudes. There is quite literally nothing more overrated in this league by almost everybody than draft picks. 
 

That’s where you secure a competitive advantage imo. Go the opposite way. Let other teams talk themselves into how a mid round pick is worth their disgruntled all pro and rob them blind. 

[billsfan89]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Oh no doubt, that’s why. 
 

NFL trade values just make me laugh. They are nonsensical at times. Guy who is a complete bust at OL on the trade block 2 years after being drafted and may never have a season of starter quality OL play? 
 

I guess a fifth. 
 

Guy who is back to back first team all pro but may only have a few years left?

 

I guess we’ll go one round up on value. 
 

I firmly believe that some economist who follows the NFL could team build circles around these dudes. There is quite literally nothing more overrated in this league by almost everybody than draft picks. 
 

That’s where you secure a competitive advantage imo. Go the opposite way. Let other teams talk themselves into how a mid round pick is worth their disgruntled all pro and rob them blind. 

 

I think much like other sports the allure of "youth" and a cheap contract is what drives a lot of value that isn't there. 

[finn]

11 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

You can't pay all of your linemen and they want to pay Trey Smith and already have Creed Humphrey on a big extension. 

I can't see those two names without thinking Beane could have picked both of them. Instead, he chose Boogie Basham and Rashad Wildgoose. Yeah, hindsight and all, but the man lacks imagination. He doesn't want to take an excellent center high because he has an aging Mitch Morse, and he can't take a flier in the sixth round on an excellent guard with injury questions. 

 

I've had faith in Beane for years, but the evidence is accumulating that the draft is his weak suit, at least the early rounds. He trades up when he should stay put, trades down when he should stay put, and stays put when he should trade up. You could field a pro-bowl team with the players he's passed up to take the likes of Tremaine Edmunds, Cody Ford, Boogie Basham, AJ Epenesa, Kaiir Elam, and Dalton Kincaid.

[Billl]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Oh no doubt, that’s why. 
 

NFL trade values just make me laugh. They are nonsensical at times. Guy who is a complete bust at OL on the trade block 2 years after being drafted and may never have a season of starter quality OL play? 
 

I guess a fifth. 
 

Guy who is back to back first team all pro but may only have a few years left?

 

I guess we’ll go one round up on value. 
 

I firmly believe that some economist who follows the NFL could team build circles around these dudes. There is quite literally nothing more overrated in this league by almost everybody than draft picks. 
 

That’s where you secure a competitive advantage imo. Go the opposite way. Let other teams talk themselves into how a mid round pick is worth their disgruntled all pro and rob them blind. 

Trade compensation is as much about the contract as it is the picks.  There’s a case to be made that teams should never trade picks for players.  All your picks are buying you is the right to pay a specific player at the top of the market.  That’s de minimus value.

[JohnNord]

13 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

 

I get that this is a cap casualty much like Mitch Morse last season.  But Thuney was playing pretty well at guard.  
 

The odd thing is Kansas City wants to replace him with Kingsley Suamatia - who was drafted to play LT.  Everyone knew the weak spot in the OL was Mike Caliendo.  Suamatia could not beat out a replacement level guard but they are releasing Thuney for him?

Hope it blows up in their face but watch - Kingsley will become some kind of elite guard.

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Trade compensation is as much about the contract as it is the picks.  There’s a case to be made that teams should never trade picks for players.  All your picks are buying you is the right to pay a specific player at the top of the market.  That’s de minimus value.

I think there’s a far better case to going the opposite direction because that’s where the value is. 
 

Put another way, is the difference between the average 3rd 4th or 5th round pick and a street FA on a normal deal that great? I would argue it’s not. And the difference in cap savings isn’t all that great either. Yet no street FA would EVER be traded for a pick like that  because they obviously place MASSIVE value on the potential of those players. A potential that in the majority of cases will never be realized.

 

That’s the sweet spot to target. You have 32 teams that all have this artificial inflated value placed on nebulous, unrealized potential. Being the one team to deviate and go the opposite direction has you playing in a completely different sandbox by yourself.

 

You’d need an owner who is willing to write checks for sure, but I think it could achieve success. Especially for teams that don’t have “elite” QB’s.
 

You look at a team like the Buccaneers who have a good QB, a good team but probably not top 5 in anything.

 

Are they better off drafting the same guys, letting FAs walk out the door, and just hoping they get lucky? Or are they better off trading 2 firsts for Garrett, a second for DK, a fifth for Deebo, a 4th for Thuney etc etc and simply trying to overwhelm the rest of the league with talent? Sure there may be some cap pain 5 years from now but who cares? Most of their core group will be gone or retired and they will be back on the 6 win carousel regardless.

Edited 3 hours ago by FireChans

[HappyDays]

9 hours ago, Billl said:

Kingsley played very well against the Broncos in the only game he played LG

 

He played so well they had a barely rosterable player ahead of him all through the playoffs.