KC to trade Joe Thuney to Bears

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

This year is their largest roster turnover since their Dynasty has started.

 

Losing Thuney

Losing Reid

Losing several D-line rotational players

Losing 2-3 WRs (D-Hop, Hollywood)

Losing Bolton most likely

 

I'll be interested to see how they are going to navigate this.

There are already solid options in-house to replace Thuney.  In all likelihood it will be Kingsley Suamataia who was their second round pick last year.  He got killed at LT but looked really good at LG.

 

Reid’s replacement, Jaden Hicks, was drafted last year with the fourth round pick that came back from Buffalo as part of the Worthy trade.  There’s also Chamarri Conner who was drafted two years ago as a Safety but has been playing somewhat out of position at CB.

 

The only D-line rotational player that’s likely gone is Tershawn Wharton.  He was a UDFA who played really well last season and will likely get a solid payday.  That’s a loss for sure, but rotational DTs are replaceable.

 

Hopkins is washed and provided nothing down the stretch.  Hollywood may re-sign if he’s willing to take another inexpensive deal.  He barely played last season.

 

Bolton isn’t going anywhere.

 

Overall, there’s definitely a lot of turnover.  Next season will see a lot more.  The FO is going to have to get a lot right in the next few months if they’re going to keep this train rolling, especially with Kelce’s best days being behind him.

[90sBills]

43 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

you sort of wonder if the cold business moves end up taking a toll on the culture of that organization. They basically jettison a lot of key stars in their primes, with no real warning. Tyreek, Snead, now Thuney. 
 

Thuney seems especially cold, since they basically asked him to play way out of position to keep that team afloat down the stretch.  

The NFL cap structure was designed for this to happen. Dynasties are not meant to exist with this structure. 

[Cray51]

28 minutes ago, Billl said:

There are already solid options in-house to replace Thuney.  In all likelihood it will be Kingsley Suamataia who was their second round pick last year.  He got killed at LT but looked really good at LG.

 

Reid’s replacement, Jaden Hicks, was drafted last year with the fourth round pick that came back from Buffalo as part of the Worthy trade.  There’s also Chamarri Conner who was drafted two years ago as a Safety but has been playing somewhat out of position at CB.

 

The only D-line rotational player that’s likely gone is Tershawn Wharton.  He was a UDFA who played really well last season and will likely get a solid payday.  That’s a loss for sure, but rotational DTs are replaceable.

 

Hopkins is washed and provided nothing down the stretch.  Hollywood may re-sign if he’s willing to take another inexpensive deal.  He barely played last season.

 

Bolton isn’t going anywhere.

 

Overall, there’s definitely a lot of turnover.  Next season will see a lot more.  The FO is going to have to get a lot right in the next few months if they’re going to keep this train rolling, especially with Kelce’s best days being behind him.

I'd say "solid" options for Thuney replacement is a risky assumption.  Maybe at LG, but then that leaves an even BIGGER hole at LT if you move Kingsley inside.  You aren't just replacing Thuney for LG, you are taking away either an All Pro LG or a serviceable LT when he was shifted outside.  The Chiefs drafted Kingsley to be LT, and now they need to shift him in to be a serviceable guard, while leaving the hole at LT.  It's a bit similar to the Cody Ford situation the Bills went through.

 

Hicks I'm solid on, but Reid was a big big player especially in the playoffs.

 

I severely doubt Hollywood is back.  Severely.  Chiefs need to add 2 solid WRs to their team, and this is a poor draft class to address it (Bills are in the same situation).

 

I think Bolton tests the market, and may come back depending on the offers.

 

I wonder if the org was really "happy" with Kelce coming back.  He has obviously lost a step, and they could have saved I think $17M if he retired.  Would've helped them fill some of these holes, and they could've drafted a TE to develop in a prime role (not saying that cant anyway, but now you have a chunk of cap AND a draft pick at the TE position.

[Mark80]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I think the Chiefs understand that they could play only 2 offensive linemen and we still won't be able to dial up pressure.

I think it's cute that you believe the Chiefs are more concerned about beating the Bills then they are about the team that just destroyed them in the Super Bowl.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

KC has done this with their secondary and haven't missed a beat. 

 

Let's see if they can do the same on the OL.   It's a different beast, and they're already weak on that unit to begin with. 

 

 

Compared to good OTs, especially LTs, good CBs are easy to find in the draft.   Moreover, ready-to-play OTs are seldom found outside the top ten while ready-to-play CBs can be found even late in Round 1.   KC needs to fill their hole at LT this coming season.  I think they'll be seeking a veteran either through FA or trade.

 

 

[Mat68]

Expect them to re-sign Smith.  Left side of the line needs an overhaul. 

[Jauronimo]

32 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

I think it's cute that you believe the Chiefs are more concerned about beating the Bills then they are about the team that just destroyed them in the Super Bowl.

I think its cute that you took that seriously.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

There are already solid options in-house to replace Thuney.  In all likelihood it will be Kingsley Suamataia who was their second round pick last year.  He got killed at LT but looked really good at LG.

 

Reid’s replacement, Jaden Hicks, was drafted last year with the fourth round pick that came back from Buffalo as part of the Worthy trade.  There’s also Chamarri Conner who was drafted two years ago as a Safety but has been playing somewhat out of position at CB.

 

The only D-line rotational player that’s likely gone is Tershawn Wharton.  He was a UDFA who played really well last season and will likely get a solid payday.  That’s a loss for sure, but rotational DTs are replaceable.

 

Hopkins is washed and provided nothing down the stretch.  Hollywood may re-sign if he’s willing to take another inexpensive deal.  He barely played last season.

 

Bolton isn’t going anywhere.

 

Overall, there’s definitely a lot of turnover.  Next season will see a lot more.  The FO is going to have to get a lot right in the next few months if they’re going to keep this train rolling, especially with Kelce’s best days being behind him.

Bolton could command big money and not sure they could match it.

31 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Compared to good OTs, especially LTs, good CBs are easy to find in the draft.   Moreover, ready-to-play OTs are seldom found outside the top ten while ready-to-play CBs can be found even late in Round 1.   KC needs to fill their hole at LT this coming season.  I think they'll be seeking a veteran either through FA or trade.

 

 

Top of the line LT don't come available in UFA or trade unless their coming off injury or having contract issues. KC is giving big money to Jawaan and now Smith on the line to invest more money no easy task. I can't see them having cap space for a top end LT. Could they trade up in the draft? Sure but  big leap from 31 to top 15. 

Edited 13 hours ago by The Jokeman

[MrEpsYtown]

43 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

I'd say "solid" options for Thuney replacement is a risky assumption.  Maybe at LG, but then that leaves an even BIGGER hole at LT if you move Kingsley inside.  You aren't just replacing Thuney for LG, you are taking away either an All Pro LG or a serviceable LT when he was shifted outside.  The Chiefs drafted Kingsley to be LT, and now they need to shift him in to be a serviceable guard, while leaving the hole at LT.  It's a bit similar to the Cody Ford situation the Bills went through.

 

 

Yeah Kingsley was barely even active at times. He played LG in a meaningless game in which the Chiefs got blown out by the Broncos. Banking on him being anything is a large jump. 

 

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah Kingsley was barely even active at times. He played LG in a meaningless game in which the Chiefs got blown out by the Broncos. Banking on him being anything is a large jump. 

 

He was a 2nd rounder sometimes gotta plug and play or in his case plug and pray at LG. Sure they could pursue a low cost vet to compete but ideally not what you want.

15 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Expect them to re-sign Smith.  Left side of the line needs an overhaul. 

Smith was franchised. He's getting top 10 Oline money unless can get a long term deal worked out to spread the money out.

Edited 13 hours ago by The Jokeman

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I am fine with KC shedding the better members of their O-line. That worked great for them in the super bowl

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

 

 

It's one of those... its now, or you play the comp pick game in 2026 free agency, and hope to get a 2027 pick.  A 2025 4th is a lot more valuable than a 2027 4th or 5th. 

 

I know he was out of position for the super bowl and played poorly, but he was among the most valuable chiefs during his 4 year run with the team - as well as being a first team all-pro the last two seasons.  

[beebe]

I would bet a lot of money that Josh Allen and Buffalo's offense will outperform Mahomes and the Chiefs' offense the next two years and potentially the next three years. 

 

Reason: Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown at tackle for Buffalo; while the Chiefs counter with an empty space and Jawaan Taylor, who is dog poop. Having two elite tackles is a cheat code. The Chiefs are learning that the hard way. In 2022, when the Chiefs signed Orlando Brown (and got a good season out of him), and had very solid Andrew Wylie at right tackle, Mahomes put up an MVP season and 5000 yards without Tyreek and crap receivers. 

 

The last two years, with endless rotation of scrubs at left tackle and Turnstile Taylor at right tackle, the Chiefs offense has been good but nothing anywhere close to their level from 2018-2022. Unless something crazy happens, the KC offensive line gets worse, not better, in 2025. 

[90sBills]

6 minutes ago, beebe said:

I would bet a lot of money that Josh Allen and Buffalo's offense will outperform Mahomes and the Chiefs' offense the next two years and potentially the next three years. 

 

Way to go out on a limb. They outperformed KC’s offense this season.

[Solomon Grundy]

Even bigger reason for the Bills to acquire a monster DT to push the middle of the pocket. 

[Mark80]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

I think its cute that you took that seriously.

Why wouldn't I?  The premise is mostly accurate.  They just have bigger fish to worry about.

[appoo]

Actually really enjoying what the Bears are doing. They just added both Jonah Jackson and Joe Thuney, two excellent guards. they have a hopefully improving Darnell Wright at RT, and presumably will add a LT via draft.  Really solid foundation they're building on O

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

I'd say "solid" options for Thuney replacement is a risky assumption.  Maybe at LG, but then that leaves an even BIGGER hole at LT if you move Kingsley inside.  You aren't just replacing Thuney for LG, you are taking away either an All Pro LG or a serviceable LT when he was shifted outside.  The Chiefs drafted Kingsley to be LT, and now they need to shift him in to be a serviceable guard, while leaving the hole at LT.  It's a bit similar to the Cody Ford situation the Bills went through.

 

Hicks I'm solid on, but Reid was a big big player especially in the playoffs.

 

I severely doubt Hollywood is back.  Severely.  Chiefs need to add 2 solid WRs to their team, and this is a poor draft class to address it (Bills are in the same situation).

 

I think Bolton tests the market, and may come back depending on the offers.

 

I wonder if the org was really "happy" with Kelce coming back.  He has obviously lost a step, and they could have saved I think $17M if he retired.  Would've helped them fill some of these holes, and they could've drafted a TE to develop in a prime role (not saying that cant anyway, but now you have a chunk of cap AND a draft pick at the TE position.

Not sure I really follow the logic here.  Absolute worst case scenario, they keep Caliendo at LG where he played in the postseason.  He wasn’t good, but he was serviceable.  Kingsley played very well against the Broncos in the only game he played LG, so he’s likely going to win the spot.  That leaves only LT to fill.  Trading Thuney didn’t impact that at all other than to free up $16 million of cap room and give the team an extra 4th round pick.

 

There’s no reason to believe Hollywood won’t be back.  He didn’t do anything to increase his market value, and it seems reasonable that he’d rather stay where he’s spent a year learning the offense if he wants to showcase himself for a bigger contract a year from now.

 

Bolton’s very likely going to sign an extension.  He’s the QB of Spagnuolo’s defense, went to school locally, and doesn’t play a position that commands huge money.  Reid leaving pretty much removed any doubt about which defensive player they were going to pay.  It’s typically not difficult to follow Veach and Andy’s thought process in terms of roster building.  They tend to draft a replacement a year in advance of a veteran hitting free agency.  If that player hits, the veteran probably isn’t getting a new contract.

[mannc]

KC is definitely in for a soft re-set this year, but since Mahomes arrived, they’ve ruthlessly turned over their roster with few ill effects. Maybe Beane will trade back with them again this year, just to give them a helping hand…

[Jauronimo]

28 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

Why wouldn't I?  The premise is mostly accurate.  They just have bigger fish to worry about.

The premise that the Chiefs intentionally weakened a group that was already suspect solely because the Bills defensive line is so pathetic that they can't pressure Mahomes even with only 2 offensive linemen seemed mostly accurate to you and deserving of a dismissive response?