Eagles reset RB market, extend Barkley.

[Doc Brown]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We’re still going to have money tied up in RB. It’ll just be 3 of them.

The cap hit last year with three RB's was about $3.6m and we got adequate production.  Beane and his scouts get paid to find the next Cook in the draft and use your money at more premium positions.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I know. Just more alluding to Beane not really screwing anyone over using the tag before.  
 

i agree, I don’t think a deal gets done and he holds outs. But will he then use the tag and hold him hostage another year?  

If he were to hold out in any sort of way , I wouldn't want him as Bill any longer. Business or not.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The cap hit last year with three RB's was about $3.6m and we got adequate production.  Beane and his scouts get paid to find the next Cook in the draft and use your money at more premium positions.

Spent 3 2nd-3rd round picks on RBs to finally feel good about RB.
 

I don’t believe in spending a lot of assets on a RB but I’m evaluating the offense and personnel. Signing Cook makes sense.

But yes, I need him to be an every down RB moving forward. 
 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:27 PM by Buffalo_Stampede

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

There's no way Beane would franchise tag a RB and pay him that much money for one season.  I think he plays out this year and then will be able to hit free agency.  I don't know if you can add incentives on the final year of a rookie contract but if you can it might avoid a messy holdout.

Unless he shows out and we win a Super Bowl with him playing a big part of it.  

[uticaclub]

24 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

They chose not to extend Singletary.  Singletary got paid elsewhere.  If they were going to extend Cook the FO would have wanted to give him a guarantee at market value now for a few years in exchange for the early guaranteed money and signing bonus - much like Shakir.

 

The market value of RBs like Cook - D Henry/J Mixon had been around $8M/yr.  Cook is talking $15M, not even in the ballpark.

Singletary got a one year deal with Houston and is now a backup with the Giants

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Because they are pushing it all down the road with void years. I expect Howie Roseman to "retire" in about 5 years and let it all be someone else's problem. 

Howie is trying to win 2 more rings. 
 

Who is picking anybody over the Eagles in the NFC today? 

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Spent 3 2nd-3rd round picks on RBs to finally feel good about RB.
 

I don’t believe in spending a lot of assets on a RB but I’m evaluating the offense and personnel. Signing Cook makes sense.

But yes, I need him to be an every down RB moving forward. 
 

He's not though.  On 2nd down of the final drive in KC Cook whiffed on his block causing Allen to have the ball batted down at the line because of the missed block.  They had to bring in Ty Johnson after that.  If he was an effective every down back I wouldn't blink an eye at paying him $15m per year until his later 20's.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

I'm not sure anybody really thought that. The problem with RBs is that they tend to fall off really quickly. Look at Dalvin Cook. He was one of the best RBs in the NFL three years ago and now he's out of the league. Jonathan Taylor has also really fallen off since being paid. Barkley was great this year, but his history tells us that he's due to miss half of next year with injury. Same case with Derrick Henry. It's a physically demanding position that relies almost entirely on athleticism. The shelf life is short so long-term deals are a huge risk.  

cliche'

[Einstein's Dog]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Singletary got a one year deal with Houston and is now a backup with the Giants

Exactly, they could have paid Singletary and chose not to.

 

The point is so far the FO has not paid RBs a lot of money.  I've liked that philosophy and don't want them to break it for Cook.

 

It's unfortunate because Cook can be exciting.  And Cook would be a good value this year if he played on his current contract.  But it now looks like there are problems ahead and it might be time to move him.

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Unless he shows out and we win a Super Bowl with him playing a big part of it.  

If we win the Super Bowl Beane can pay Tyler Bass 60 million a year and I wouldn't care.

[RenoNVBillsfan]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

I know this a touchy subject with Bills fans, but I'm OK giving Cook $12.5M AAV which makes him the 4th highest in the league.

I wouldn't do anything more than that.

 

Cook along with players like Spencer Brown and Shakir need to have their cap pushed out to make room for a 3-4 year run with Josh.

For a player who played only 44.58% of the season’s O snaps in ‘24? He also is a proven liability in pass protection. Recall the missed block in the AFC Championship game that had JA running for his life, not able to connect to am open Samuel? Not a wise investment . 

[appoo]

13 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Because they are pushing it all down the road with void years. I expect Howie Roseman to "retire" in about 5 years and let it all be someone else's problem. 

Also, they got a little bit lucky + still reaping the rewards of drafting well

 

The titans didn't value AJ Brown and this was his first extension year with the Eagles and his cap hit was 11M.

 

The Giants didn't value Saquon and the Eagles got him at a bit of a bargain (his cap hit was 3.5M)

 

They got a career year out of Mekhi Becton which absolutely no one would have predicted

 

Josh Sweat was drafted by the Eagles in 2018, never did enough to earn on a big time extension, got a 1 year contract this season and had a career year. 

 

Zach Baun was a journey pickup who turned in all-pro season

 

They drafted guys like Jordan Mailata, Landon Dickerson, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, and Milton Williams, not to mention Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean.

 

Sure it's good cap management, but there;s a lot of great drafting + luck

[DrMaxPower]

56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why are you glad though? They can do it and add void years. We won’t feel the big cap hits for years.

You keep saying this, as if it's just a choice that Beane can make.

 

It comes down to Pegula writing the checks.

 

If he isn't willing to spend like Lurie, Beane can't stack a roster like Roseman.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He's not though.  On 2nd down of the final drive in KC Cook whiffed on his block causing Allen to have the ball batted down at the line because of the missed block.  They had to bring in Ty Johnson after that.  If he was an effective every down back I wouldn't blink an eye at paying him $15m per year until his later 20's.

Josh had to get rid of it but I believe Samuel was his read anyway. Cook and Ty were rotating in and out the final drive. 
 

His touches did drop in year 3. Obviously if the Bills don’t view him as a 3 down RB they won’t sign him. But facts are they drafted him to play on 3rd downs and develop into an early down RB. So I believe they believe he can be an every down RB.

 

[Rico]

I don't know about Cook, but Derrick Henry needs a big fat raise. Pay the man, Ravens!

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

His playoff performance was special to me. I think he is different. I definitely thought he was replaceable but imo there’s untapped potential. Very few miles on him. He’s also by far our most explosive player on offense.

 

these are good points.  If he is not at his ceiling he could become Kamara. I’m not sure about his post contract motivation, guess it’s an unfair worry based on how his brother fell off a cliff.  If the Bills think he can be a 3 down back I have no worries signing him.  But right now Johnson may be as valuable given his value at converting 3rd downs. Will be interesting to see what happens. 

[Brand J]

59 minutes ago, Rico said:

I don't know about Cook, but Derrick Henry needs a big fat raise. Pay the man, Ravens!

If I was Henry, there’s no way I play this year at $8M after what I gave the Ravens offense last year. He should absolutely be at least $15M/yr, even at his age. He was an MVP candidate after all and showed no signs of slowing down throughout the season. 

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Spent 3 2nd-3rd round picks on RBs to finally feel good about RB.
 

I don’t believe in spending a lot of assets on a RB but I’m evaluating the offense and personnel. Signing Cook makes sense.

But yes, I need him to be an every down RB moving forward. 
 

 

 

See to me, you should never pay a running back unless they are Saquon level special. The idea of drafting one in the mid rounds every year and just churning through these guys prime years then casting them aside makes a ton of sense to me. Davis was like a 25 year old rookie. Literally plugging an older polished dude in there until he is 29-30 and never paying him is pretty shrewd. 

[Lionel Hutz]

If Cook was coming off a season where he rushed for over 2k yards and won the Superbowl I’d have no problem with the Bills making him the highest paid running back.

 

I love Cook but the unfortunate thing is that the salary cap suppresses players wages and if you want to win you can’t pay every player their fair market value.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

The game is cyclical. The league is transitioning back to a run first, big uglies on the line game. Hopefully the Bills find the memo in their defensive meeting rooms.