Russia beat us?

[All_Pro_Bills]

25 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

childish.  So in your eyes, the 2 options for Ukraine supporters are :  go with whatever trump and putin want

or  go join the fighting for Ukraine.  You commies are really bad at false choices.

What's your solution? Impose terms on Russia, more or less a do-over you already know they will not except which leaves Ukraine fighting a war of attrition which Ukraine cannot win, and is not winning now. Leaving the only option for victory being direct US/NATO involvement which poses many risks. That's Plan A?

 

Edited Sunday at 11:25 PM by All_Pro_Bills

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What's your solution? Impose terms on Russia, more or less a do-over you already know they will not except which leaves Ukraine fighting a war of attrition which Ukraine cannot win, and is not winning now. Leaving the only option for victory being direct US/NATO involvement which poses many risks. That's Plan A?

 

They want us to keep pouring money into fighting an endless war that Ukraine will never win. 

[4th&long]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

They want us to keep pouring money into fighting an endless war that Ukraine will never win. 

Work on Russia to stop the invasion. All they have to do is stop. Oh that's right Maga and trump are weak. 

[Big Blitz]

Russia beat these people - they poked the bear and lost.  Because Soros told them this had to be done.  

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

..The reason his mission is WW3, is because that’s the only scenario where he MIGHT survive. His only way out is if NATO comes in and takes over the fight with Russia directly.

That’s his plan, but realistically he would need the US in order to pull it off.

 

Zelensky, and his Deep State handlers, are literally trying to initiate full-scale WW3, in an effort to cover up the largest money laundering scheme in history, and crimes against humanity for bioweapon development.

 

That’s what we are witnessing.

 

This is not about Ukraine’s sovereignty. This is about covering up unfathomable criminality.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

This is what happens when globalism infects your country.  
 

 

[Big Blitz]

Russia “beat us.”  Ummmm sure……

 

 

They absolutely beat this Euro trash tho.  

[Big Blitz]

Omg

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Do you agree?

 

 

The other option would be to achieve peace by Russia leaving Ukraine. Seems pretty simple to me.  The invader leaves, and there's peace in the realm.  

20 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

what do you mean when you say “socialist”? Are you aware that Tesla has been subsidized with over $36 billion of taxpayer dollars?

 

 

Yes. Russia beat us.

If we're going to play the socialist game, those subsidized farmers should step right up.  And the host of red states that contribute less to the federal government than they take from the federal government.  We also shouldn't forget all of the trailer park slobs on Medicaid.  They're the poster people for socialism. 

[Big Blitz]

51 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

The other option would be to achieve peace by Russia leaving Ukraine. Seems pretty simple to me.  The invader leaves, and there's peace in the realm.  

If we're going to play the socialist game, those subsidized farmers should step right up.  And the host of red states that contribute less to the federal government than they take from the federal government.  We also shouldn't forget all of the trailer park slobs on Medicaid.  They're the poster people for socialism. 

 

Yea well they feed you.  
 

And every retiree moves out of deep blue ***t holes to “red states” (pretty more coverage then Verizon now) so they can try to afford retirement that’s been ruined by Bidenflation we were told:

 

1. Didn’t exist 

2. It’s simple supply and demand 

3. It’s temporary 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

6 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

The other option would be to achieve peace by Russia leaving Ukraine. Seems pretty simple to me.  The invader leaves, and there's peace in the realm.  

If we're going to play the socialist game, those subsidized farmers should step right up.  And the host of red states that contribute less to the federal government than they take from the federal government.  We also shouldn't forget all of the trailer park slobs on Medicaid.  They're the poster people for socialism. 

How do you make putin leave? You cant.

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

The other option would be to achieve peace by Russia leaving Ukraine. Seems pretty simple to me.  The invader leaves, and there's peace in the realm. 

So you're negotiating strategy to reach a peace treaty is to demand an unconditional surrender from Russia?

They would refuse to do that but might agree to that under certain conditions.

They might agree to those terms if say European countries agree to remove all offensive weapons systems from their borders with Russia and then dissolve NATO. Because they'll insist that the existence of NATO as an offesnsive alliance is a threat to peace. And NATO would say no.

The idea of a negotiation is for each party to give and get something of importance to them. You want them to withdraw but likely are wiling to conceded nothing in return. Or are you?

[Doc]

2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

How do you make putin leave? You cant.

 

It's as simple as making Hamas leave Gaza...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What's your solution? Impose terms on Russia, more or less a do-over you already know they will not except which leaves Ukraine fighting a war of attrition which Ukraine cannot win, and is not winning now. Leaving the only option for victory being direct US/NATO involvement which poses many risks. That's Plan A?

 

Get trumpski and The US out of negotiations.  stand aside because they're clearly biased toward putin.  let Europe broker the peace agreement and back up security after the deal is made.

meanwhile, Zelenskyy meets the King (in his customary clothing) and British MP's are calling for the trump visit to be cancelled

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/zelensky-wears-solidarity-outfit-meet-34779520

[All_Pro_Bills]

23 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Get trumpski and The US out of negotiations.  stand aside because they're clearly biased toward putin.  let Europe broker the peace agreement and back up security after the deal is made.

meanwhile, Zelenskyy meets the King (in his customary clothing) and British MP's are calling for the trump visit to be cancelled

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/zelensky-wears-solidarity-outfit-meet-34779520

I couldn't agree with you more on the merits of that approach. But this scenario is all based on an assumption the European States are interested in reaching a peaceful settlement rather than continuing the war, escalating it by sending more weapons and their own troops to join the fighting, all with the express intent shared by Zelensky and European leaders of drawing American forces directly into the conflict though some invocation of NATO Article 5.

 

I would say publicly let them go ahead and "own" the outcome but behind the scenes I would warn them that if their intentions are not genuine and they decide to directly engage in the conflict rather than pursue some negotiated settlement America will stop all monetary and all physical support, things like weapons, intelligence, and logistics, and withdraw from NATO and move our troops out of Europe.

 

I might add, at this point in the process I  don't trust Zelensky and the European leaders any more than I trust Putin.

Edited Monday at 02:18 PM by All_Pro_Bills

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I would say publicly let them go ahead and "own" the outcome but behind the scenes I would warn them that if their intentions are not genuine and they decide to directly engage in the conflict rather than pursue some negotiated settlement America will stop all monetary and all physical support, things like weapons, intelligence, and logistics, and withdraw from NATO and move our troops out of Europe.

I think that as long as trump is in power, that's where we are headed.  Europe doesn't trust trumpski.  I don't think Canada or Mexico do or most of the rest of the world at this point.  he'll likely withdraw from NATO anyway.  Our strongest alliance then becomes the one with the murderous, barbaric russian regime.

 

here's some Bman or NC level sensationalist journalism but if even part is correct, it explains much of what we are seeing.

https://www.mind-war.com/p/stop-being-shocked

[Doc]

16 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I think that as long as trump is in power, that's where we are headed.  Europe doesn't trust trumpski.  I don't think Canada or Mexico do or most of the rest of the world at this point.  he'll likely withdraw from NATO anyway.  Our strongest alliance then becomes the one with the murderous, barbaric russian regime.

 

here's some Bman or NC level sensationalist journalism but if even part is correct, it explains much of what we are seeing.

https://www.mind-war.com/p/stop-being-shocked

 

What was/has been Europe waiting for then?

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

So you're negotiating strategy to reach a peace treaty is to demand an unconditional surrender from Russia?

They would refuse to do that but might agree to that under certain conditions.

They might agree to those terms if say European countries agree to remove all offensive weapons systems from their borders with Russia and then dissolve NATO. Because they'll insist that the existence of NATO as an offesnsive alliance is a threat to peace. And NATO would say no.

The idea of a negotiation is for each party to give and get something of importance to them. You want them to withdraw but likely are wiling to conceded nothing in return. Or are you?

Departure.  Leave the land you invaded.  Then we have peace.  It’s very simple, actually. 

3 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

How do you make putin leave? You cant.

Then don’t embolden him, like we are. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What was/has been Europe waiting for then?

 

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What was/has been Europe waiting for then?

confirmation.  now they have it.  this is the undoing of a peacekeeping, mutually beneficial alliance since ww2.  they needed to be sure before giving up on it.   I think they're pretty sure...

[SectionC3]

11 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Yea well they feed you.  
 

And every retiree moves out of deep blue ***t holes to “red states” (pretty more coverage then Verizon now) so they can try to afford retirement that’s been ruined by Bidenflation we were told:

 

1. Didn’t exist 

2. It’s simple supply and demand 

3. It’s temporary 

So you’re a commie?  Inflation happens in free market economies.  And it’s trump inflation then and now.  This is what happens when you butcher a pandemic (trump) and print free money (trump and Biden) during a period of pent up demand (trump and Biden).

 

also, Trump told you that this was temporary.  He said it was a day one fix.  Now it’s getting much worse and he’s playing golf.  When he’s not trying to impose new taxes and cut interest rates (both bad for inflation ).  Great stuff. 

Edited Monday at 04:03 PM by SectionC3