UPDATE: DK Metcalf requests trade to a contender

[Doc Brown]

33 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Diggs for sure fell off a cliff. 
 

He is still a player in the NFL, but he isn’t  2020-2022 Diggs anymore. He was relegated to more slot duty in Houston because that’s where he was best served.

Diggs had 73 catches for 868 yards in 10 games before Brady took over.  That's a pace of 124 catches and 1,475 yards.  What's more likely?  He suddenly hit a wall in the last third of the season or the offensive system changed under Brady leading to less production?

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What’s hilarious is I think DK is a relatively limited #1 WR but I could also see him with 1500 yards and 12 TD’s in this offense. 
 

a true enigma. 

 

Yea. The O he was drafted into in Seattle was a downfield offense and it suited him. Russ in his prime was a great deep ball thrower.

 

If Josh and DK got chemistry and clicked... watch out. 

 

I'm interested in the Eddie O idea too. I think he is really good. Better than the consensus. And he is better thought of by coaches and personnel guys around the league than he is on this board from what I hear. But I have always been of the view that the one scenario I'd consider parting with him in is where it is getting me a #1 WR.

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The blocking is fair. But as a receiver, receiving, he is a one trick pony. He can run straight line routes where his speed and size wins. The Bills happen to need EXACTLY that kind of player to open up this offense. But compared to other WR1s he is pretty undiverse. 

 

I agree with this. I don't want to oversell his abilities. He's just such a perfect fit for this team right now we'd be crazy not to add him if we can.

 

I also want to point out Beane has been making a big splash move every other year. In 2020 we traded for Diggs. In 2022 we signed Von. In 2024 we couldn't do anything big because of the Diggs trade and other cuts. So now the timing is right for another splash move. It's been 5 years since we've made a big move to help Allen.

[TheBeaneBandit]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Which 1st round pick that Beane has made, other than Josh Allen, would you take over Metcalf right now?

You do got a point my man, that you do.

[MikePJ76]

I still lean to Slayton because all he costs is some cap space which can be massaged.  I understand the trade comp of a 1 and a 2 or a 1 and next years 1 for Metcalf though.   I just hate the money that would go to Metcalf.  

 

for fun.

 

 

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So building off this, are we sure Ed Oliver isn’t a trade piece today?

 

We save money trading him, even before 6/1. His value is kinda low coming off a down year and he’s sneaky limited as an undersized pass rushing specialist 3t. But I do think he has some value around the league, especially contractually. 
 

I’m not familiar enough with Seattle’s current defense to say whether they’d have interest, but Eddy and 1 of our seconds for DK would be hard for me to pass on.

 

The reason I wouldn't want to do that is it would severely weaken an already weak DT group. And then we'd enter the draft needing to take a DT and Beane has not done a good job when he's boxed himself in with that 1st pick. I also don't think Seattle would be interested because it's a strong DT draft class and if they're shipping out Metcalf it's to save money.

 

You already know what I would do this offseason - I'd trade our 1st for Metcalf and pay him what he's worth, then I'd sign Davante Adams to a 2 year deal when he is inevitably cut. Our WR corps for the next two years would be:

 

Metcalf

Adams

Shakir

Coleman

Samuel (possibly replaced in 2026)

 

I'd use void years and restructures to go all in on the Josh Allen light show which to me is still the most likely Super Bowl strategy. I'd do all this while trading Cook this offseason and knowing in the back of my mind that Rousseau would walk after this year. And then Beane and McDermott can spend all their remaining draft picks on defense like their little hearts desire.

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I still lean to Slayton because all he costs is some cap space which can be massaged.  I understand the trade comp of a 1 and a 2 or a 1 and next years 1 for Metcalf though.   I just hate the money that would go to Metcalf.  

 

for fun.

 

 

Money can always be manipulated to make it work. Who cares about 3 or more years down the road.? I would rather they take a  chance to win now, than trying to be competitive every season. 

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Diggs had 73 catches for 868 yards in 10 games before Brady took over.  That's a pace of 124 catches and 1,475 yards.  What's more likely?  He suddenly hit a wall in the last third of the season or the offensive system changed under Brady leading to less production?

Not sure if you watched him in Houston.

 

It’s far more likely he’s doing what lots of 30+ WR’s do. No longer having the physical ability to win consistently on the boundary. 
 

Brady wasn’t the reason Diggs got erased by Sneed in single coverage. He’s no longer the player he was. He wasn’t in Houston and he wasn’t by the end in Buffalo.

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Money can always be manipulated to make it work. Who cares about 3 or more years down the road.? I would rather they take a  chance to win now, than trying to be competitive every season. 

well that strategy can and more times than not backfire.  Von Miller and Diggs backfired.  Diggs cost a lot of money in dead cap in 24.  He was such a malcontent they shipped him off to a playoff team.  That money he cost them could have paid for two players not to mention they had to replace him.

 

Don't get me started on Von Miller.  

 

Metcalf is a fun offseason discussion though.

 

Slayton is a good fit for the bills, add a wr in the draft and all of a sudden its a pretty good group of guys and lots of talented options for Allen.  

 

I imagine they just draft a wr with a day 3 pick and resign hollins.  

 

We shall see very soon what they think of the wr room.  

[FireChans]

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. The O he was drafted into in Seattle was a downfield offense and it suited him. Russ in his prime was a great deep ball thrower.

 

If Josh and DK got chemistry and clicked... watch out. 

 

I'm interested in the Eddie O idea too. I think he is really good. Better than the consensus. And he is better thought of by coaches and personnel guys around the league than he is on this board from what I hear. But I have always been of the view that the one scenario I'd consider parting with him in is where it is getting me a #1 WR.

Yeah I don’t have as high of opinion of Oliver as you do, but I do think he’s good and he’s probably the only Bill not on a rookie deal that still has solid value around the league in trade talks.

 

It’s hard to say how married Beane and co. are to him as the lynchpin of the DL, especially as a pass rusher. I think we are worse off without him as @HappyDays said. But in a DL heavy draft, it resets the clock a bit on money spent on the line which is helpful for the next few years. 
 

The problem is value to a receiving team. Seattle may not want to bother with such a DL heavy group, but they already traded for and paid for the Giants DL guy (blanking on the name).

[Jrb1979]

5 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

well that strategy can and more times than not backfire.  Von Miller and Diggs backfired.  Diggs cost a lot of money in dead cap in 24.  He was such a malcontent they shipped him off to a playoff team.  That money he cost them could have paid for two players not to mention they had to replace him.

 

Don't get me started on Von Miller.  

 

Metcalf is a fun offseason discussion though.

 

Slayton is a good fit for the bills, add a wr in the draft and all of a sudden its a pretty good group of guys and lots of talented options for Allen.  

 

I imagine they just draft a wr with a day 3 pick and resign hollins.  

 

We shall see very soon what they think of the wr room.  

Yes it can backfire, but that shouldn't stop them from trying at again. 

[MikePJ76]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. The O he was drafted into in Seattle was a downfield offense and it suited him. Russ in his prime was a great deep ball thrower.

 

If Josh and DK got chemistry and clicked... watch out. 

 

I'm interested in the Eddie O idea too. I think he is really good. Better than the consensus. And he is better thought of by coaches and personnel guys around the league than he is on this board from what I hear. But I have always been of the view that the one scenario I'd consider parting with him in is where it is getting me a #1 WR.

who replaces oliver?

 

Osa odighizuwa is about to get a new contract in Dallas for 21 million a year and he is a poor mans Oliver.  

 

So you can't really replace him in Free Agency. 

 

so that would mean hoping Harmon/Nolen somehow fall to you at 30 or you trade up for them or hope a guy like Farmer falls in the second round.

 

Would be an interesting few weeks if they moved oliver for metcalf that is for sure.

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Not sure if you watched him in Houston.

 

It’s far more likely he’s doing what lots of 30+ WR’s do. No longer having the physical ability to win consistently on the boundary. 
 

Brady wasn’t the reason Diggs got erased by Sneed in single coverage. He’s no longer the player he was. He wasn’t in Houston and he wasn’t by the end in Buffalo.

I don't usually just see that in the middle of a season though.  It's usually during training camp the following year and a surprise trade/cut happens.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Would be an interesting few weeks if they moved oliver for metcalf that is for sure.

 

@Pine Barrens Mafia could finally pass on to the other side.

[FireChans]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

I don't usually just see that in the middle of a season though.  It's usually during training camp the following year and a surprise trade/cut happens.

I really thought he hit a wall.

 

i think there’s valid criticism regarding usage of Cooper, even with his weird injury. I totally get it.

 

I think Diggs ran into a wall and/or quit. He was great the first 6 games. His next four games before Dorsey got fired, he had 36 targets for 24 catches and 248 yards. A 153 target, 102 catch, 1054 yard pace. Thats not elite.

[Doc Brown]

17 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah I don’t have as high of opinion of Oliver as you do, but I do think he’s good and he’s probably the only Bill not on a rookie deal that still has solid value around the league in trade talks.

 

It’s hard to say how married Beane and co. are to him as the lynchpin of the DL, especially as a pass rusher. I think we are worse off without him as @HappyDays said. But in a DL heavy draft, it resets the clock a bit on money spent on the line which is helpful for the next few years. 
 

The problem is value to a receiving team. Seattle may not want to bother with such a DL heavy group, but they already traded for and paid for the Giants DL guy (blanking on the name).

O'Cyrus Torrence might be of interest to them.  They really struggled on the right side of the o-line last year.

[HappyDays]

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According to multiple sources with knowledge of ongoing discussions, while they aren’t actively shopping the player at this time, the Seahawks have spoken with the Packers, Patriots, and one unknown team extensively this week on Metcalf’s availability.

 

Tell me more about this unknown team...

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah I don’t have as high of opinion of Oliver as you do, but I do think he’s good and he’s probably the only Bill not on a rookie deal that still has solid value around the league in trade talks.

 

It’s hard to say how married Beane and co. are to him as the lynchpin of the DL, especially as a pass rusher. I think we are worse off without him as @HappyDays said. But in a DL heavy draft, it resets the clock a bit on money spent on the line which is helpful for the next few years. 
 

The problem is value to a receiving team. Seattle may not want to bother with such a DL heavy group, but they already traded for and paid for the Giants DL guy (blanking on the name).

 

Leonard Williams. And the reality is in their front that is probably the position Ed would play.

28 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

who replaces oliver?

 

Osa odighizuwa is about to get a new contract in Dallas for 21 million a year and he is a poor mans Oliver.  

 

So you can't really replace him in Free Agency. 

 

so that would mean hoping Harmon/Nolen somehow fall to you at 30 or you trade up for them or hope a guy like Farmer falls in the second round.

 

Would be an interesting few weeks if they moved oliver for metcalf that is for sure.

 

Yea not someone as good in all likelihood. I wouldn't trade him in any other circumstances.

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Tell me more about this unknown team...

Pete Carroll and the Raiders pehaps?

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/dk-metcalf-nfl-seahawks-patriots-packers-raiders-pete-carroll-trade

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Diggs for sure fell off a cliff. 
 

He is still a player in the NFL, but he isn’t  2020-2022 Diggs anymore. He was relegated to more slot duty in Houston because that’s where he was best served.

Diggs and Cooper had career lows in 3 game rolling samples in which they were active for the Bills under Brady. Two different players, back to back years with career lows for WR’s that have played a very long time and it occurred multiple times. Both hit near career lows on every category. 
 

No way you can just chalk that up to Cooper and Diggs declining. Diggs was well on his way with the Texans and Cooper had about as much production in Cleveland over 6 games with Watson as he did here. 
 

If we went for a big investment in WR I just want to make sure we plan on using it.