UPDATE: DK Metcalf requests trade to a contender

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't know about the rest of the Bills fans...But I absolutely reveled in this past Super Bowl while watching Patrick Mahomes return to earth as an elite QB in getting his A$$ beat by that Eagles defense all...game...long! Made my year!!

 

Defense wins Championships!

 

It wasn't just the Eagles D line as the DBs jammed the Chiefs WRs at the line and played press man. Patty boy had nowhere to go with the ball and suffered for it 34-6 until the Eagles defense took their foot off the gas, thus giving the Chiefs garbage points. Just beautiful and loved watching that game.

 

IF ONLY the Buffalo Bills had a defense as good!

I get that sentiment but the Eagles also have AJ Brown and Devonta Smith.  We don't have a WR close to their caliber.  We don't have an elite player at two "premium positions" of outside WR or a defensive pass rusher (whether DE or DT).  Any chance to get a stud at either spot via trade and sign should be on the table.  You then can attack the other area in the draft.  There's more than one way to skin a cat.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Gordon had like 1700 yards with skeleton's throwing him the ball

 

DK is good , he is showing his Limitations and his route tree never expanded 

 

This is a 100% right. He is a brilliant one trick pony. But he is a one trick pony. I am all in on the Bills trying to land him. He is 27. You might get 3 years. But he is a guy who as soon as that speed goes will be out of the league as fast as he used to run.

6 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't know about the rest of the Bills fans...But I absolutely reveled in this past Super Bowl while watching Patrick Mahomes return to earth as an elite QB in getting his A$$ beat by that Eagles defense all...game...long! Made my year!!

 

Defense wins Championships!

 

It wasn't just the Eagles D line as the DBs jammed the Chiefs WRs at the line and played press man. Patty boy had nowhere to go with the ball and suffered for it 34-6 until the Eagles defense took their foot off the gas, thus giving the Chiefs garbage points. Just beautiful and loved watching that game.

 

IF ONLY the Buffalo Bills had a defense as good!

 

The Eagles played very little man coverage. Comfortably less than the Bills played in the AFCCG. They played quite a lot of press bail technique. But their coverages were almost all zone.

[Chicken Boo]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Gordon had like 1700 yards with skeleton's throwing him the ball

 

DK is good , he is showing his Limitations and his route tree never expanded 

 

There's that, too.  Kenny Golladay put up numbers with guys I can't even name without looking them up.

 

I don't want to sell him completely short, but Metcalf is entering "Looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane" territory.

 

He not a bad receiver, but he's not elite either.  Not even close. 

[Jimmy Harris 69]

This is a player Beane should have drafted and and didn’t. It makes no sense to give up the sun and the moon to acquire him, then gut your team to pay $100M to keep him. The Bills led the NFL in scoring, but their defense disappeared during most of the KC game. We need defense. $100M receivers don’t get you to the Super Bowl. 

Edited Saturday at 12:26 PM by Jimmy Harris 69

[Don Otreply]

Imo, the odds of trading for Metcalf are virtually immeasurably small, don’t get your hopes up folks, it’s not going to happen, 

[Jrb1979]

42 minutes ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said:

This is a player Beane should have drafted and and didn’t. It makes no sense to give up the sun and the moon to acquire him, then gut your team to pay $100M to keep him. The Bills led the NFL in scoring, but their defense disappeared during most of the KC game. We need defense. $100M receivers don’t get you to the Super Bowl. 

They lead the league in scoring last season. I don't see a repeat happening as they mostly played non playoff teams and had a higher than average turnover differential. 

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

They lead the league in scoring last season. I don't see a repeat happening as they mostly played non playoff teams and had a higher than average turnover differential. 

It's lazy thinking to ignore that context. Also, consider that the current offense has fewer explosive plays, and therefore relies on longer drives that also incur higher susceptibility to turnover. In short, the Bills definitely need to add a reliable boundary receiver with speed.

 

Folks who somehow think that acknowledging the need to still upgrade the WR room means ignoring all the needs on D are not persuasive. You can do both, even if the need to improve DL, CB, and S is a heavy lift. Beane should ponder earnestly how Philly uses void years. (I'm sure he is aware, but this is the time to seize the day.) If prime Josh Allen years are not the time to pull out all the stops, there never will be such.

 

Just as important is the question of whether Brady can really make use of all his weapons and probably more important, whether McDermott can modify his schema on D that is continually exposed in the playoffs. 

 

 

[Einstein's Dog]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is a 100% right. He is a brilliant one trick pony. But he is a one trick pony. I am all in on the Bills trying to land him. He is 27. You might get 3 years. But he is a guy who as soon as that speed goes will be out of the league as fast as he used to run.

 

The phrasing of "one trick pony" seems harsh to me, doesn't capture a lot of the attributes DK would help bring to the team.

 

1.  DK is a known work out warrior.  Something the FO wants out of both Coleman and Kincaid - some strength.

2.  DK would add blocking, he is a man-child that would fit in well with the 6 OL formation.  Imagine the 6 OLman, DK, Knox, and Hollins and what they could do to a finesse defense in a 2 deep shell.

3.  DK for a top tier WR hasn't gotten the ball  the same amount as most of his caliber and hasn't complained.  Seems like he could handle the Brady "everyone eats" distribution scheme.

4.  Incredible culture fit.  The workout attitude mentioned above with the non-diva attributes.  And lets not forget one of his signature plays of running down the CB from the other side of the field.  Remember that one, Seattle QB threw an INT to the CB right near the goal line and DK sprinted after him from the other side of the field and tracked him down.

 

If the Bills are going to reset with the philosophy of putting money into the premium spots QB/LT/WR/DL/CB, then IMO DK is a great person for the WR investment.

[Sweats]

19 hours ago, mannc said:

News flash: Cooper is five years older than Metcalf, and he was injured.

 

 

 

 

News flash: ........i don't care.

[Mikie2times]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

In 2019 Joe Brady won the Broyles award for being the best college assistant coach ( wide receivers ) in the nation. He had 2 guys you may have heard of named Chase & Jefferson.   If he doesn't know what to do with a DK Metcalf,  then we're in bigger trouble than we thought.

If all of your options are stars that tells us what exactly about my comments?

[Sweats]

I might be in the minority here, but how about we focus on our D

[klos63]

5 minutes ago, Sweats said:

I might be in the minority here, but how about we focus on our D

I'm fairly certain that the vast majority of free agency and draft work will be for defense.  But I think they'll try to address WR also,  I think they need another top tier option if available. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

I might be in the minority here, but how about we focus on our D

We can do both. Depending on cost of course.   But DK is a beast, possible game changer on an already great offense.

[Bills Don]

Exactly what we need on the outside size and speed 

[TheBeaneBandit]

Seattle is just seeing if someone will give up something stupid for Metcalf. They are hoping for a 1st round pick. I'm sorry but in no way am I going up a 1st in any form. Maybe a 2nd this year and a 3rd next. That probably doesn't get it done and I am fine with that.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

If all of your options are stars that tells us what exactly about my comments?

Yeah.  The fact that we got barely anything out of Diggs or Cooper since Brady took over as OC is concerning to me.  Neither just suddenly fell off a click.

[FireChans]

32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  The fact that we got barely anything out of Diggs or Cooper since Brady took over as OC is concerning to me.  Neither just suddenly fell off a click.

Diggs for sure fell off a cliff. 
 

He is still a player in the NFL, but he isn’t  2020-2022 Diggs anymore. He was relegated to more slot duty in Houston because that’s where he was best served.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

They are hoping for a 1st round pick. I'm sorry but in no way am I going up a 1st in any form.

 

Which 1st round pick that Beane has made, other than Josh Allen, would you take over Metcalf right now?

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The phrasing of "one trick pony" seems harsh to me, doesn't capture a lot of the attributes DK would help bring to the team.

 

1.  DK is a known work out warrior.  Something the FO wants out of both Coleman and Kincaid - some strength.

2.  DK would add blocking, he is a man-child that would fit in well with the 6 OL formation.  Imagine the 6 OLman, DK, Knox, and Hollins and what they could do to a finesse defense in a 2 deep shell.

3.  DK for a top tier WR hasn't gotten the ball  the same amount as most of his caliber and hasn't complained.  Seems like he could handle the Brady "everyone eats" distribution scheme.

4.  Incredible culture fit.  The workout attitude mentioned above with the non-diva attributes.  And lets not forget one of his signature plays of running down the CB from the other side of the field.  Remember that one, Seattle QB threw an INT to the CB right near the goal line and DK sprinted after him from the other side of the field and tracked him down.

 

If the Bills are going to reset with the philosophy of putting money into the premium spots QB/LT/WR/DL/CB, then IMO DK is a great person for the WR investment.

 

The blocking is fair. But as a receiver, receiving, he is a one trick pony. He can run straight line routes where his speed and size wins. The Bills happen to need EXACTLY that kind of player to open up this offense. But compared to other WR1s he is pretty undiverse. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Which 1st round pick that Beane has made, other than Josh Allen, would you take over Metcalf right now?

So building off this, are we sure Ed Oliver isn’t a trade piece today?

 

We save money trading him, even before 6/1. His value is kinda low coming off a down year and he’s sneaky limited as an undersized pass rushing specialist 3t. But I do think he has some value around the league, especially contractually. 
 

I’m not familiar enough with Seattle’s current defense to say whether they’d have interest, but Eddy and 1 of our seconds for DK would be hard for me to pass on.

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

The blocking is fair. But as a receiver, receiving, he is a one trick pony. He can run straight line routes where his speed and size wins. The Bills happen to need EXACTLY that kind of player to open up this offense. But compared to other WR1s he is pretty undiverse. 

What’s hilarious is I think DK is a relatively limited #1 WR but I could also see him with 1500 yards and 12 TD’s in this offense. 
 

a true enigma.