UPDATE: DK Metcalf requests trade to a contender

[Roundybout]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

People see Chris Jones as a wrecking ball in the postseason but alot of that is done from the interior.   
 

I fear that like KC/Tampa, KC/Philly has skewed everyone to thinking we need a Myles Garrett and everything is solved. 
 

Both times KC got murked in the Super Bowl, it was due to a team that could exploit weaknesses because they were loaded up on the DL and pass rushing front 7 pieces. 
 

Officials also allow holding much more in the playoffs.   
 

In regards to Dexter Lawrence, much more difficult to hold two monsters up the middle.  
 

Now maybe Garrett frees up Oliver and Rousseau, and we get that effect, but I know one thing is for sure… Lamar, Burrow, Mahomes etc.. there’s nowhere to go when the interior is constantly collapsed. 

100% agree. 
 

@billsbackto81 to your point, I know it would be nice to have Mario Williams back, but remember - Dareus and Williams were monsters in the middle of the line, and that let Mario tee off from the edge. 
 

Plus, it would help contain guys like Mahomes and Jackson when the edges get pushed outside. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I'm not saying the Bills should stay pat on offense, just that they don't need another monster on that side of the ball. A Hollywood Brown or Darius Slayton would fit the bill nicely. Yes, with Metcalf they may score even more than the 31 ppg they scored last year (second best in the league), but if signing him means no first-round pick and no big splash in free agency, they'd need to score 35 points a game to compensate for a sieve-like defense. 

No one is trading a first for him. If it is a 2nd and you have to sign him, would you? It’s an easy yes for me. 

[Warriorspikes51]

My offer

 

2nd (via Diggs)

4th  2026

6th  2025

 

4 year 115 mil, include 3-4 void years

 

cap hits lowered

[Magox]

 

 

For real though!   But I'd do a third (which we don't have) or a 4th and a 5th with a contract around $25M - $27M AAV

 

It's not great value based off his recent performance but he would fit the exact sort of role that the Bills could use.   

I'd rather them go with the moneyball approach and get either a Palmer or Hollywood Brown AND draft a premium pick WR and then load up in FA on defense with a quality CB and DT and get a passrusher via trade.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Magox

[appoo]

10 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

For real though!   But I'd do a third (which we don't have) or a 4th and a 5th with a contract around $25M - $27M AAV

 

It's not great value based off his recent performance but he would fit the exact sort of role that the Bills could use.   

I'd rather them go with the moneyball approach and get either a Palmer or Hollywood Brown AND draft a premium pick WR and then load up in FA on defense with a quality CB and DT and get a passrusher via trade.

 

 

 

yea no one gonna take this trade if that's what he's demanding in an extension. They'll be lucky to get a 3rd

[Allen2Moulds]

Don't get me wrong, I would love FK, but not if it hinders our chance to land Garrett. 

i wonder if the Colts would trade us Alec Pierce. Tall. Fast and young. He had over 800yds last year, with bad QB play. The Colts are already paying Pittman, and drafted AD Mitchell last year. Pierce is in the last year of his rookie deal.

20 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Go get DK and right the wrong I was screaming about on draft day where at both our picks I was pounding the table for DK and then continued to pound the table to trade back into round 2 for DK after they took Ford.  

 

I still am in the camp of if it can only be one...Myles or DK...then go get Myles.  But I am also in the camp of go get one of them at least...and please let the football gods let us get both!    

Same here. This has been one of Beane's biggest failures. Dline is the biggest. Followed by this. This is the time of year that you fantasize about these dream scenarios. For me, it's a wink wink deal with Berry for a post June 1st trade. We keep all our picks from this year, and spend a pick for DK, draff a big beefy DT, and a CB. Than June 1st, trade for Garrett.

[Magox]

Just now, Allen2Moulds said:

Don't get me wrong, I would love FK, but not if it hinders our chance to land Garrett. 

i wonder if the Colts would trade us Alec Pierce. Tall. Fast and young. He had over 800yds last year, with bad QB play. The Colts are already paying Pittman, and drafted AD Mitchell last year. Pierce is in the last year of his rookie deal.

Same here. This has been one of Beane's biggest failures. Dline is the biggest. Followed by this. This is the time of year that you fantasize about these dream scenarios. For me, it's a wink wink deal with Berry for a post June 1st trade. We keep all our picks from this year, and spend a pick for DK, draff a big beefy DT, and a CB. Than June 1st, trade for Garrett.

 

Alec Pierce would be a dream, no way they'd trade him and honestly the trade value for him would be higher than DK because of the contract value.

[Alphadawg7]

33 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No one is trading a first for him. If it is a 2nd and you have to sign him, would you? It’s an easy yes for me. 

 

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing them get a first.  The only thing that had me concerned was like a week or so ago, believe even in this thread, there was allegedly buzz Packers were prepared to offer their first and Doubs or Wicks which in my mind no one is gonna match or beat.  

 

But the reality is these guys don'g get traded for as much as people think they will most of the time.  Look at all the Myles proposals...all these people keep foolishly throwing in guys like Groot, Milano, or Cook into our trade offer totally oblivious to the concept that there is 0% chance Browns want salary back, espeically high priced ones or ones where they are due big contracts.  Their cap is crushed for 3 years, with the first 2 years being the worst, with just the Watson contract alone.  Browns won't be able to build a competitve roster in a division with Lamar and Burrow plus the Steelers for at least 2 to 3 seasons at the absolute earliest.  They are going to just lose and increase their draft capital while shedding the cap hell they are in to build as much young talent as possible.  Browns most likely will carry near or above $100M in dead cap the next 2 seasons between Watson and trading Myles.  Yet people keep proposing deals with Cook and Rousseau both due big deals during that time...guys who are not even probably worth the money they will demand by the way and they wouldn't likely keep

 

My guess if DK gets moved, because he needs a new deal on top of it, the top end of the trade comp is likely get a 2nd and some change...either a player or another day 3 pick.  But, if the Packers rumor is true of their first and a WR, I can't see us, or anyone, competing with a better offer.  And all it takes is one team to really covet a player for a team to get more than expected.  

[Allen2Moulds]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

Alec Pierce would be a dream, no way they'd trade him and honestly the trade value for him would be higher than DK because of the contract value.

I don't think they value him that high. If they did, they wouldn't of drafted Mitchell last year. They kind of have a log jam at WR, and have yet to extend him.

[uticaclub]

39 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

For real though!   But I'd do a third (which we don't have) or a 4th and a 5th with a contract around $25M - $27M AAV

 

It's not great value based off his recent performance but he would fit the exact sort of role that the Bills could use.   

I'd rather them go with the moneyball approach and get either a Palmer or Hollywood Brown AND draft a premium pick WR and then load up in FA on defense with a quality CB and DT and get a passrusher via trade.

 

 

Moneyball doesn't work without Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson, Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, Johnny Damon, Eric Chavez, Corey Lidle. You had team control over guys forever in baseball 20 years ago.

Edited 2 hours ago by uticaclub

[Roundybout]

Where is Dunkirk Don when you need him?

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

For anyone who thinks $30M is too much for Metcalf or that the pendulum has swung away from WR value:

 

$10M fully guaranteed for a guy that didn't break 600 yards last year. True game changers are going to get eye popping numbers and you just have to live with that if you want high caliber talent on your roster.

 

Does this mean you're saying we got a deal on Curtis Samuel at 8M AAV last year?  

 

In all seriousness, you're correct that the cost of fielding a good offense, especially featuring a strong passing game, is going up.  The market determines that, but pairing a franchise QB with an elite pass catcher is still cheaper than trying to field a complete defense with depth.  And more effective.    

[H2o]

6 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

That’s a lot but not out of the question for a player of his caliber.

 

Seattle has lost their minds. No one is giving them a 1st and a 3rd. 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

Seattle has lost their minds. No one is giving them a 1st and a 3rd. 

 

it’s a negotiation

 

2nd & 4th toss in a 6

[BillsBlue]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

My offer

 

2nd (via Diggs)

4th  2026

6th  2025

 

4 year 115 mil, include 3-4 void years

 

cap hits lowered

Win now I like it 👌 

[Doc Brown]

I'm pro have a potential historic offense next year so I'd give up pick #30 for him and give him $30m a year.  At worst they make a 30 for 30 documentary on the deal.  Next three years minimum we'd have Allen, a solid o-line, Metcalf, Shakir, Coleman, Davis/2nd day running back, and Kincaid.  This is Allen's prime window and Beane neglected outside WR since trading for Diggs.  Scared money don't make money. 

[BillsBlue]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm pro have a potential historic offense next year so I'd give up pick #30 for him and give him $30m a year.  At worst they make a 30 for 30 documentary on the deal.  Next three years minimum we'd have Allen, a solid o-line, Metcalf, Shakir, Coleman, Davis/2nd day running back, and Kincaid.  This is Allen's prime window and Beane neglected outside WR since trading for Diggs.  Scared money don't make money. 

I agree I don't think anyone could score like us then defense wouldn't matter 

[HappyDays]

A somewhat deflating piece of info is that it sounds like he would prefer a warm weather city:

 

So if say the Chargers want him they'd have the advantage.

 

This doesn't necessarily rule us out but it cools my hopes a bit.

[wppete]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

A somewhat deflating piece of info is that it sounds like he would prefer a warm weather city:

 

So if say the Chargers want him they'd have the advantage.

 

This doesn't necessarily rule us out but it cools my hopes a bit.

This guy is a great player no doubt but he is a head case. Diggs 2.0 and most likely worse. A hard pass. Too expensive to trade for and he wants $30 million per year? Yea no thanks. 
 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by wppete

[Warriorspikes51]

Well, that’s a shame