UPDATE: DK Metcalf requests trade to a contender

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

That’s a lot but not out of the question for a player of his caliber.

I don’t buy this compensation for a second.

 

It reminds me of a piece of advice I received from an old supervisor about job interviews. The key is to always propose an amount that’s higher than your desired salary.
 

If the offer is accepted, you’re all set! If they counter, they’re likely to come closer to your original request.  Seattle’s setting the bar high, hoping a desperate (and dumb) GM will overpay.  
 

In the end, I’m thinking he goes for a 2nd and 3rd/4th, but we’ll see

[finn]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

How has Allen having to do it all by himself worked out? The thought would be, a player like DK would turbocharge Allen and shoulder some of that load. If the Bills are going to win it’s BECAUSE of Josh Allen. Giving him other dudes and not just guys would open the floodgates. That’s the thought.

 

Everybody eats is fun and cute. It scored a lot of points. The offense really took a leap forward once Cooper came aboard. His stats aside, the offensive stats all took a massive jump. The threat on the boundary and down the field unlocked the running game and underneath passing game. DK would do that and then some. It’s a MASSIVE need. Significantly bigger need than 2nd corner or a run stuffer. I’d argue elite pass rusher is first but boundary WR is 1A.

 

That price for DK is more than he’s worth. I’m still In the camp of exhaust all opportunities for Garrett. He’s still, by far, the best player “available.” If Cleveland holds firm, Metcalf should be prioritized over Holland or DJ Reed or whomever else is out there. Metcalf isn’t a perfect player but is a perfect fit for the Bills.

I'm not saying the Bills should stay pat on offense, just that they don't need another monster on that side of the ball. A Hollywood Brown or Darius Slayton would fit the bill nicely. Yes, with Metcalf they may score even more than the 31 ppg they scored last year (second best in the league), but if signing him means no first-round pick and no big splash in free agency, they'd need to score 35 points a game to compensate for a sieve-like defense. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

Compensation is definitely the key here as well. For me, a second, a 4th, and Curtis Samuel is my offer. If I had to budge slightly, I change the 4th to a 3rd in 2026. 

[Virgil]

I'm sorry, but there's just no part of me who thinks the difference maker these past few years has been Metcalf.  Don't get me wrong, I think he could be great with us, but not the piece needed to push us over the edge.  

 

That 30 mil needs to go to a game changer on defense

[Mango]

Between Knox, Coleman, Shakir, Kincaid, and Cook we have a lot of guys who are inside and inside/outside pass catchers. We don't have a true outside guy. If you are looking for a pure, big strong, outside receiver then DK Metcalf is the guy. 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, finn said:

I'm not saying the Bills should stay pat on offense, just that they don't need another monster on that side of the ball. A Hollywood Brown or Darius Slayton would fit the bill nicely. Yes, with Metcalf they may score even more than the 31 ppg they scored last year (second best in the league), but if signing him means no first-round pick and no big splash in free agency, they'd need to score 35 points a game to compensate for a sieve-like defense. 

I’m not saying we should offer our first, but let’s say we did… 

 

DK is pretty much all we need on Offense.  They could then bring back Mack Hollins and Ty Johnson, or similar type players if they get offered big contracts elsewhere and be pretty much done on Offense.   Maybe use a 4th on a WR if they plan to carry 6.  
 

That would leave us with the ability to make probably 1 or 2 starter level signings on Defense, along with two-RD2 picks and then 7 Day 3 picks in the rounds Beane has found good depth/solid starter ability and a few gems. 
 

I’d then still expect us to be in the Myles Garrett trade talks given it sounds like they may have to wait due to cap constraints and we could designate Von as a 6/1 cut and be a team that could fit him under the cap. 
 

What that would then mean for Bernard, Cook and maybe Benford down the line… I don’t know.  But the Defense should not be a sieve even if our one big move is DK.   Beane would simply have to hit on his other two premium picks and get it right in FA. 

[NoSaint]

22 minutes ago, finn said:

I'm not saying the Bills should stay pat on offense, just that they don't need another monster on that side of the ball. A Hollywood Brown or Darius Slayton would fit the bill nicely. Yes, with Metcalf they may score even more than the 31 ppg they scored last year (second best in the league), but if signing him means no first-round pick and no big splash in free agency, they'd need to score 35 points a game to compensate for a sieve-like defense. 

the real dream would be scoring more than 31 AND Josh taking fewer hits running 

[Einstein's Dog]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Are we sure about that? Allen throwing deep to Amari Cooper looked pretty damn good on the few occasions where it happened, and that's an over the hill downfield WR. I've felt for a while that Metcalf is the platonic ideal of a WR that goes well with Allen's skill set and he's still well in his prime.

Not only possibly mesh well with Josh but with the whole Bills organization/culture.  Strong, workout warrior, who has accepted his target share.  They want Kincaid and Coleman to add strength and toughness - what a great example.  And if J Brady wants a bully ball option, the DK/6 OL/Knox/Hollins (jacked up Coleman) would bring a lot of beef to the table. 

 

Getting DK can also get the FO back into the smart philosophy of higher cap allocation to top performers in the premium positions - QB/LT/WR1/DL/CB1

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

the real dream would be scoring more than 31 AND Josh taking fewer hits running 

THIS. 

 

We get this 31 ppg argument from people all the time, when the reason we score like that is because JA is a freak of nature. 
 

Looking back at this past year, he had an elite OL (credit where it’s due) a good stable of RB’s and then, with all due respect, nonsense to throw to.  Injured Kincaid, Knox, rookie Keon/post-injury Keon, injured Samuel, Mack Hollins, injured Cooper with no time to mesh and a really good slot receiver in Shakir. 
 

It’s a miracle we were so good on Offense and all it took was Allen playing most of the year with a broken hand and other nagging ailments. 
 

When compared to Lamar & Burrow, he has so much less at weaponry… and even for the gnashing of teeth in KC with how meh their Offense was with injuries and lack of investment, Mahomes OL sunk them in the end, but you’d have to give them an edge at receiving weapons… which is pretty sad considering how average theirs were. 

[finn]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

the real dream would be scoring more than 31 AND Josh taking fewer hits running 

That's a point. Brady leaned on his running a lot last season, and that's just not sustainable. 

[Roundybout]

24 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I'm sorry, but there's just no part of me who thinks the difference maker these past few years has been Metcalf.  Don't get me wrong, I think he could be great with us, but not the piece needed to push us over the edge.  

 

That 30 mil needs to go to a game changer on defense

My hot take is that the game changer is NOT someone like Garrett. It’s someone like Dexter Lawrence.

[billsbackto81]

58 minutes ago, finn said:

I'm not saying the Bills should stay pat on offense, just that they don't need another monster on that side of the ball. A Hollywood Brown or Darius Slayton would fit the bill nicely. Yes, with Metcalf they may score even more than the 31 ppg they scored last year (second best in the league), but if signing him means no first-round pick and no big splash in free agency, they'd need to score 35 points a game to compensate for a sieve-like defense. 

Gotta agree. The only player sacrificing a 1st for is Garrett. And even for him I'm only giving up one.

[HappyDays]

For anyone who thinks $30M is too much for Metcalf or that the pendulum has swung away from WR value:

 

$10M fully guaranteed for a guy that didn't break 600 yards last year. True game changers are going to get eye popping numbers and you just have to live with that if you want high caliber talent on your roster.

[billsbackto81]

23 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

My hot take is that the game changer is NOT someone like Garrett. It’s someone like Dexter Lawrence.

Respectfully disagree. Lawrence can wreck an interior making it beneficial for DE's, with that I agree. But when was the last time this team had a DE that sniffed 15 sacks? Don't want to hear about potential, pressures and win rate.

 

I WANT SACKS!! I want the QB on his arse. I want opposing offenses in 2nd/3rd and long situations. 

 

Garrett can do that.

[Cash]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol, come on lets not get crazy.  Thats an insult to Megatron.  DK is not in Megatrons class, not by a mile.  I would love to land DK...but come on, Megatron has a strong case for top 10 all time and DK isn't even top 10 in todays league.  

 

My all time WR group of guys in my lifetime as a fan:  Moss & Megatron outside, Jerry Rice in the slot.  Megatron was the biggest WR in the league, almost the fastest, maybe the best route runner, and had incredible hands whether the catch was contested or not.  He's basically the perfect WR you'd construct in a lab.  If his career was longer and/or he played on better teams, there could've been a real argument for him as best ever.  As is, he's still easily on the short list for guys you'd want for one game or one season. 

 

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

How has Allen having to do it all by himself worked out? The thought would be, a player like DK would turbocharge Allen and shoulder some of that load. If the Bills are going to win it’s BECAUSE of Josh Allen. Giving him other dudes and not just guys would open the floodgates. That’s the thought.

 

Everybody eats is fun and cute. It scored a lot of points. The offense really took a leap forward once Cooper came aboard. His stats aside, the offensive stats all took a massive jump. The threat on the boundary and down the field unlocked the running game and underneath passing game. DK would do that and then some. It’s a MASSIVE need. Significantly bigger need than 2nd corner or a run stuffer. I’d argue elite pass rusher is first but boundary WR is 1A.

 

That price for DK is more than he’s worth. I’m still In the camp of exhaust all opportunities for Garrett. He’s still, by far, the best player “available.” If Cleveland holds firm, Metcalf should be prioritized over Holland or DJ Reed or whomever else is out there. Metcalf isn’t a perfect player but is a perfect fit for the Bills.

 

I agree with most of this.  I liked our offense a lot last year, but pre-Cooper it showed it had a real weakness, and the addition of Cooper helped but didn't fully address it.  And "everybody eats" can work just as well with more receiving talent, provided that receiving talent doesn't have a Diggs-type attitude.  I would argue it works better:  If the defense really has to account for a guy who'll otherwise feast on them, then that opens things up for everyone else.  So hypothetically, DK would either be feasting on bad/dumb/cocky teams, or putting up low numbers but freeing up Shakir et al for big production.

 

1 hour ago, Andrew Son said:

Not sure I agree.  DK is an elite one trick pony.  And that one trick is not something Josh is even good at.  
 

we certainly need outside speed.  But it’s probably not smart giving up multiple draft assets PLUS a big salary for a one dimensional deep threat to pair with a poor deep ball thrower 

 

Until I'm proven wrong, I will maintain that Allen's deep ball numbers will look a lot better if/when we get him better deep ball targets.  I'm of the opinion that the pass catcher has way more to do with deep ball success than he does with short or intermediate catches.  Just think about it: On every deep ball, the QB releases the ball when the receiver is maybe 10-30 yards away from the catch point.  And yeah, we've all seen some truly uncatchable balls from Allen and others, but a lot of the "bad passes" we've seen are IMO bad adjustments by the WR, or inability of the WR to leverage his body against the defender, etc.

[BuffaloMatt]

20 hours ago, JP51 said:

Thats what I was thinking... although they were pretty bad most of the year lol

All I want is Defense Defense Defense. Offense waas scoring 30 points a game. 

[SCBills]

37 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

My hot take is that the game changer is NOT someone like Garrett. It’s someone like Dexter Lawrence.

People see Chris Jones as a wrecking ball in the postseason but alot of that is done from the interior.   
 

I fear that like KC/Tampa, KC/Philly has skewed everyone to thinking we need a Myles Garrett and everything is solved. 
 

Both times KC got murked in the Super Bowl, it was due to a team that could exploit weaknesses because they were loaded up on the DL and pass rushing front 7 pieces. 
 

Officials also allow holding much more in the playoffs.   
 

In regards to Dexter Lawrence, much more difficult to hold two monsters up the middle.  
 

Now maybe Garrett frees up Oliver and Rousseau, and we get that effect, but I know one thing is for sure… Lamar, Burrow, Mahomes etc.. there’s nowhere to go when the interior is constantly collapsed. 

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, Cash said:

 

My all time WR group of guys in my lifetime as a fan:  Moss & Megatron outside, Jerry Rice in the slot.  Megatron was the biggest WR in the league, almost the fastest, maybe the best route runner, and had incredible hands whether the catch was contested or not.  He's basically the perfect WR you'd construct in a lab.  If his career was longer and/or he played on better teams, there could've been a real argument for him as best ever.  As is, he's still easily on the short list for guys you'd want for one game or one season. 

 

 

I agree with most of this.  I liked our offense a lot last year, but pre-Cooper it showed it had a real weakness, and the addition of Cooper helped but didn't fully address it.  And "everybody eats" can work just as well with more receiving talent, provided that receiving talent doesn't have a Diggs-type attitude.  I would argue it works better:  If the defense really has to account for a guy who'll otherwise feast on them, then that opens things up for everyone else.  So hypothetically, DK would either be feasting on bad/dumb/cocky teams, or putting up low numbers but freeing up Shakir et al for big production.

 

 

Until I'm proven wrong, I will maintain that Allen's deep ball numbers will look a lot better if/when we get him better deep ball targets.  I'm of the opinion that the pass catcher has way more to do with deep ball success than he does with short or intermediate catches.  Just think about it: On every deep ball, the QB releases the ball when the receiver is maybe 10-30 yards away from the catch point.  And yeah, we've all seen some truly uncatchable balls from Allen and others, but a lot of the "bad passes" we've seen are IMO bad adjustments by the WR, or inability of the WR to leverage his body against the defender, etc.

He just doesn’t use sufficient arc on the deep shots which limits how trackable the balls are.

 

the best deep ball throwers don’t necessarily have to have the biggest arms, but they tend to throw those catchable “moon balls”

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

 

☝️This is always the one you want to use.  

 

Hahaha...touche....yes I concede much better.  I almost used this one but was worried the poster would think it was directed at them rather than the tweet lol

 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t buy this compensation for a second.

 

It reminds me of a piece of advice I received from an old supervisor about job interviews. The key is to always propose an amount that’s higher than your desired salary.
 

If the offer is accepted, you’re all set! If they counter, they’re likely to come closer to your original request.  Seattle’s setting the bar high, hoping a desperate (and dumb) GM will overpay.  
 

In the end, I’m thinking he goes for a 2nd and 3rd/4th, but we’ll see

This screams.  Please someone offer us a 1st.  I believe a 3rd is the best they got so far.   I would offer 61 for Metcalf plus their first day 3 pick.