UPDATE: DK Metcalf requests trade to a contender

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Is it possible to trade for Metcalf and Garrett and still keep one of our 2s ? 

 

Get it done beane 

I would say yes. I think Metcalf could be had for a 2nd. Garrett will be multiple 1’s and player(s) maybe). 

[LABILLBACKER]

23 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

What 31-year-old wide receiver hasn't declined lol

 

Of course he's not what he was at 27.. he didn't even have the same juice when he left us

When receivers go, they go very fast. In the blink of an eye.

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

DK would be unstoppable in a bills uniform. Why wouldn’t you want this guy? 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

So glad we drafted cody ford instead 😒😒

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So glad we drafted cody ford instead 😒😒

 

Cody Ford was taken at 38. DK Metcalf was taken almost a full Round later at 64, the very last pick in the 2nd Round.

 

Every team in the league passed on him, practically all of them twice. Even the Seahawks passed on him twice before taking him with their 3rd pick.

Edited Monday at 06:17 AM by BillsFanForever19

[Nihilarian]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Seahawks Reporter

Good to read! 

 

I'm still hoping the Bills go big time for the defense this entire offseason!! 

 

After all, Josh won MVP with a supposed bunch of nobodies and a guy named Shakir. 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I would say yes. I think Metcalf could be had for a 2nd. Garrett will be multiple 1’s and player(s) maybe). 

 

Agree. Fitting it all cap wise is the challenging part.

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 hours ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

DK would be unstoppable in a bills uniform. Why wouldn’t you want this guy? 

I don't think he'd look good with blue hair.😉😇🤣

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Good to read! 

 

I'm still hoping the Bills go big time for the defense this entire offseason!! 

 

After all, Josh won MVP with a supposed bunch of nobodies and a guy named Shakir. 

 

Which got us to a point. But when we needed those nobodies to step up against Kansas City when it counted, they let us down. Without James Cook going off in the 2nd half - we wouldn't have even had the chance to have Dalton Kincaid drop the ball with the game on the line.

 

And if we had the Defense to get past them, we'd still have needed to go toe to toe with Philadelphia - who were steamrolling on BOTH sides of the ball.

 

This idea that if we improve the Defense alone we're winning a Lombardi - I don't agree with it. We need to upgrade the weaponry just as much.

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. Fitting it all cap wise is the challenging part.

 

That and getting both teams who don't appear eager to trade either to trade both. And win the sweepstakes of trading for both, against all other suitors. Which I don't agree would leave us with a 2nd. 

 

Unless the Browns decided they're not trading Garrett until after June 1st. Which would open up a whole 'nother ball of complications.

 

All in all, seems like a pipe dream to me. A nice dream though. 

Edited Monday at 11:10 AM by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That and getting both teams who don't appear eager to trade either to trade both. And win the sweepstakes of trading for both, against all other suitors. Which I don't agree would leave us with a 2nd. 

 

Unless the Browns decided they're not trading Garrett until after June 1st. Which would open up a whole 'nother ball of complications.

 

All in all, seems like a pipe dream to me. A nice dream though. 

 

It's unlikely to all come together but I do think it is possible while retaining a 2nd - as @Kirby Jackson set out. 

 

Garrett something like: #30, 2026 1st, 2026 3rd, James Cook

Metcalf something like: #56, Greg Rousseau

 

That would leave Bills with:

 

#62 (2nd)

#108 (4th)

#131 (4th)

#171 (5th projected comp)

#175 (5th projected comp)

#179 (6th)

#206 (6th)

#208 (6th)

 

It WOULD however, leave us short in 2026 where we are already without a 6th. So we'd have a 2nd, a 4th, a 5th and a 7th.

 

It isn't gonna be picks that makes it difficult. It is going to be:

 

a) does Seattle actually want to trade DK?

b) can the Bills win the Garrett sweepstake?

c) if the answer to a) and b) is yes, can they make it all fit under the cap? 

 

The answer to c) is probably yes. But it will need some significant can kicking. 

[Kirby Jackson]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It's unlikely to all come together but I do think it is possible while retaining a 2nd - as @Kirby Jackson set out. 

 

Garrett something like: #30, 2026 1st, 2026 3rd, James Cook

Metcalf something like: #56, Greg Rousseau

 

That would leave Bills with:

 

#62 (2nd)

#108 (4th)

#131 (4th)

#171 (5th projected comp)

#175 (5th projected comp)

#179 (6th)

#206 (6th)

#208 (6th)

 

It WOULD however, leave us short in 2026 where we are already without a 6th. So we'd have a 2nd, a 4th, a 5th and a 7th.

 

It isn't gonna be picks that makes it difficult. It is going to be:

 

a) does Seattle actually want to trade DK?

b) can the Bills win the Garrett sweepstake?

c) if the answer to a) and b) is yes, can they make it all fit under the cap? 

 

The answer to c) is probably yes. But it will need some significant can kicking. 

That feels like fair comp. I think that I’m out on Metcalf if in on Garrett. It feels like too much for a player that I have questions about. If you could get it done for Rousseau and pick 108, I’d reconsider but still hesitate. Is that a better solution than bringing Amari back and drafting a guy? I really don’t know the best way to address the glaring need on the boundary. Short term deal for Davante Adams?

Edited Monday at 11:40 AM by Kirby Jackson

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That feels like fair comp. I think that I’m out on Metcalf if in on Garrett. It feels like too much for a player that I have questions about. If you could get it done for Rousseau and pick 108, I’d reconsider but still hesitate. Is that a better solution than bringing Amari back and drafting a guy? I really don’t know the best way to address the glaring need on the boundary. Short term deal for Davante Adams?

 

Doing both (and it is very unlikely, I get that) would be a significant all in. It is a full chip push by the time you factor in salary. It doesn't feel like their style and there are ways to be aggressive without necessarily getting that aggressive. 

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Which got us to a point. But when we needed those nobodies to step up against Kansas City when it counted, they let us down. Without James Cook going off in the 2nd half - we wouldn't have even had the chance to have Dalton Kincaid drop the ball with the game on the line.

 

And if we had the Defense to get past them, we'd still have needed to go toe to toe with Philadelphia - who were steamrolling on BOTH sides of the ball.

 

This idea that if we improve the Defense alone we're winning a Lombardi - I don't agree with it. We need to upgrade the weaponry just as much.

In my view it wasn't the offense that let the team down as the defense allowed the Chiefs more points than they scored all...season...long!!!!! That is even against the 32nd ranked defense of the Carolina Panthers. 

 

Did you not watch the Super Bowl and say Man, I wish the Buffalo defense was that good? That Eagles defense gave Patrick Mahomes fits all game long and they did basically the same thing to the Washington Commanders the game previous. Seven sacks on Rams QB Matthew Stafford...you know, the guy who had all day to throw against Buffalo while scoring 44 points. The Bills had ZERO sacks on Stafford!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What do you guys want to see? The 2025 Buffalo Bills scoring 40 points a game? They cry like little kids when the Buffalo defense gives up 50!~

 

The Buffalo offense has changed from a dominant pass-first attack under Brian Daaboll to more of a balanced pass/run attack that scored more points in franchise history and got the QB an MVP trophy! 

 

Dude, go back and rewatch the games to see which side of the ball the Bills were weakest with, and the biggest reason as to why the defense was in any game was because of an unsustainable turnover ratio. The 2025 offense should be better as those WRs will get more time in the Buffalo offense while getting healthy from those injuries. 

 

Man, I just don't get why so many Buffalo fans don't see how bad that 2024 Buffalo defense was 11th in points allowed, 17th in yards allowed and on the pass defense 24th in yards allowed, 24th in TDs allowed...pretty stinky for a McDermott defense.

 

The 2022 Buffalo Bills were 7th in yards allowed, and 2nd in TDs allowed. And yes, injuries really hurt the defense at the end of the season, the last two years. At least they had a better pass rush in 2022 though. 

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

In my view it wasn't the offense that let the team down as the defense allowed the Chiefs more points than they scored all...season...long!!!!! That is even against the 32nd ranked defense of the Carolina Panthers. 

 

Did you not watch the Super Bowl and say Man, I wish the Buffalo defense was that good? That Eagles defense gave Patrick Mahomes fits all game long and they did basically the same thing to the Washington Commanders the game previous. Seven sacks on Rams QB Matthew Stafford...you know, the guy who had all day to throw against Buffalo while scoring 44 points. The Bills had ZERO sacks on Stafford!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What do you guys want to see? The 2025 Buffalo Bills scoring 40 points a game? They cry like little kids when the Buffalo defense gives up 50!~

 

The Buffalo offense has changed from a dominant pass-first attack under Brian Daaboll to more of a balanced pass/run attack that scored more points in franchise history and got the QB an MVP trophy! 

 

Dude, go back and rewatch the games to see which side of the ball the Bills were weakest with, and the biggest reason as to why the defense was in any game was because of an unsustainable turnover ratio. The 2025 offense should be better as those WRs will get more time in the Buffalo offense while getting healthy from those injuries. 

 

Man, I just don't get why so many Buffalo fans don't see how bad that 2024 Buffalo defense was 11th in points allowed, 17th in yards allowed and on the pass defense 24th in yards allowed, 24th in TDs allowed...pretty stinky for a McDermott defense.

 

The 2022 Buffalo Bills were 7th in yards allowed, and 2nd in TDs allowed. And yes, injuries really hurt the defense at the end of the season, the last two years. At least they had a better pass rush in 2022 though. 

 

The defense clearly needs more help than the offense. The most damning stat that you missed was they were like 29th in 3rd down conversions against. 

 

However, when you ask what I want to see more out of the offense... I want to see them score when getting the ball back, 3 minutes to go, all timeouts and #17. Two years in a row they have failed. I have to believe a big part of that is the lack of downfield threat they have in those positions. KC don't fear the Bills beating them deep so they can squat on the underneath stuff and throttle a drive in the clutch game on the line. 

 

Both cane be true. 

1. The Bills D was bad in 2024 and needs major work;

2. The Bills lack of a legit downfield passing game is a factor in their last two playoff losses.

[Magox]

DK Metcalf's rankings

 

24th in targets

32nd in the league in receptions

22nd in the league in receiving yards

39th in the league in TD's

35th in the league in drops

14th in the league in yards per reception

49th in the league yards after catch per reception

43rd in the league in passer rating when targeted

10th in the league in Average depth of target

33rd ranked WR in PFF

 

This is measured against other WR's.

 

He's entering into his last year of the contract, which means he will want a new contract.   I'm guessing he'll want around $28-$32M AAV.   He has a limited route tree, he's essentially a go route specialist (even though he does it remarkably well), but even when he's targeted he doesn't stand out.     Teams know to play safeties over him and that essentially nullifies what he's best at.   He would be best against aggressive 0 blitzes on man to man coverages where you can take deep shots, but that's a limited role.

 

Doesn't make too much sense to me but if he were to land on the Bills I'd find a way to do some mental gymnastics to get on board.

 

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

18 minutes ago, Magox said:

DK Metcalf's rankings

 

24th in targets

32nd in the league in receptions

22nd in the league in receiving yards

39th in the league in TD's

35th in the league in drops

14th in the league in yards per reception

49th in the league yards after catch per reception

43rd in the league in passer rating when targeted

10th in the league in Average depth of target

33rd ranked WR in PFF

 

This is measured against other WR's.

 

He's entering into his last year of the contract, which means he will want a new contract.   I'm guessing he'll want around $28-$32M AAV.   He has a limited route tree, he's essentially a go route specialist (even though he does it remarkably well), but even when he's targeted he doesn't stand out.     Teams know to play safeties over him and that essentially nullifies what he's best at.   He would be best against aggressive 0 blitzes on man to man coverages where you can take deep shots, but that's a limited role.

 

Doesn't make too much sense to me but if he were to land on the Bills I'd find a way to do some mental gymnastics to get on board.

 

 

I'm with you. I am out on DK. Just get a speedster that can run go routes/limited route tree later in the draft. I'm all in on Garrett though.😉

[Kirby Jackson]

44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The defense clearly needs more help than the offense. The most damning stat that you missed was they were like 29th in 3rd down conversions against. 

 

However, when you ask what I want to see more out of the offense... I want to see them score when getting the ball back, 3 minutes to go, all timeouts and #17. Two years in a row they have failed. I have to believe a big part of that is the lack of downfield threat they have in those positions. KC don't fear the Bills beating them deep so they can squat on the underneath stuff and throttle a drive in the clutch game on the line. 

 

Both cane be true. 

1. The Bills D was bad in 2024 and needs major work;

2. The Bills lack of a legit downfield passing game is a factor in their last two playoff losses.

I want to add a layer to that. They had the fewest turnovers in the NFL and the 2nd most takeaways. Their turnover +\- was WAY better than anyone else. Is that sustainable? That’s a rhetorical question. Additionally, the numbers all improved significantly once Cooper came aboard (regardless of his stats). It’s safe to assume that the threat of him opened up the field some for everyone else and he’s a free agent. Without the threat of a vertical passing game, teams will defend the Bills like Baltimore did in the first matchup.
 

Why do people think that you can’t address both the offense AND defense? The Bills have picks, cap space (or will) and some young players that other teams may want. They have MORE holes on defense but one of their biggest holes remains on the boundary. 

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Cody Ford was taken at 38. DK Metcalf was taken almost a full Round later at 64, the very last pick in the 2nd Round.

 

Every team in the league passed on him, practically all of them twice. Even the Seahawks passed on him twice before taking him with their 3rd pick.

And some of us, especially me, were pounding the table to draft him in the first…then in the 2nd…then by trading back up into the 2nd.  Just because teams passed on him doesn’t mean they should have.  
 

To be fair, I was fine taking Ford as we got great value (he was mostly projected to go 2nd half round 1) and looking to build the trenches for protecting your young QB  is never a bad philosophy.  But make no mistake about it, DK is who I wanted before the draft and at our picks or even in a trade up after we passed twice. 
 

I won a $100 bet against a fellow Bills fan who told me, and was adamant about it, that he would be a bust.  We bet on over/under his yards and TDs as a rookie, had to win both to win the bet and DK did…they welched on the bet though lol.  

[Augie]

11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

When receivers go, they go very fast. In the blink of an eye.

 

Another way of putting it, WR’s go fast, until they don’t. 

[Chicken Boo]

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Cody Ford was taken at 38. DK Metcalf was taken almost a full Round later at 64, the very last pick in the 2nd Round.

 

Every team in the league passed on him, practically all of them twice. Even the Seahawks passed on him twice before taking him with their 3rd pick.

 

For a WR needy Bills team, it was as awful a selection then as it is now.  

 

I don't care what other teams did.  The Bills should have drafted him.  

 

Cordy Glenn was a disappointment and is currently out of the league.  There's an 11 page thread on trading for DK.  

Edited Monday at 02:19 PM by Chicken Boo