UPDATE: DK Metcalf requests trade to a contender

[FireChans]

35 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

So because Diggs is declining it justifies two separate players hitting career lows in production? With both players having current samples with different teams that far exceed the production with Brady and the Bills? 

I have plenty of data that will pretty much destroy this perspective. Happy to share. 

 

There’s no data in the world that will convince mean that Diggs hasn’t significantly declined as a player. None. Zero

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

There’s no data in the world that will convince mean that Diggs hasn’t significantly declined as a player. None. Zero

What 31-year-old wide receiver hasn't declined lol

 

Of course he's not what he was at 27.. he didn't even have the same juice when he left us

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

What 31-year-old wide receiver hasn't declined lol

 

Of course he's not what he was at 27.. he didn't even have the same juice when he left us

Yeah that’s my point lol. Thanks for backing me up

[Buffalo716]

Just now, FireChans said:

Yeah that’s my point lol. Thanks for backing me up

I know it was your point 

[DCofNC]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Which 1st round pick that Beane has made, other than Josh Allen, would you take over Metcalf right now?

Fair point.  That said, there are lots of first round picks out there that I would take over Metcalf and I’d rather use the pick on someone else.

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

There’s no data in the world that will convince mean that Diggs hasn’t significantly declined as a player. None. Zero

I get that you want to side step the entire conversation by suggesting any of it has to do with just Diggs and if he declined at all, but you’re the only one debating that. Nobody is suggesting Diggs hasn’t declined. Just like nobody has tried to effectively debate that Brady can actually use a #1 WR. 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

Diggs became more and more of a headache AND he disappeared during the playoffs.

That's why he isn't on the team anymore.

 

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

There’s no data in the world that will convince mean that Diggs hasn’t significantly declined as a player. None. Zero

I get both those sentiments but it's still a mystery to me of his sharp almost instant decline starting about halfway through the season.  Also, I really haven't gotten a good answer of why Cooper was just an ancillary piece of this offense when we gave up a 3rd round pick for him.  He averaged about 2.4 receptions a game (including the playoffs).  The jury is still out on whether Brady can effectively use a #1 WR if we get one imo.

[Mikie2times]

15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 

I get both those sentiments but it's still a mystery to me of his sharp almost instant decline starting about halfway through the season.  Also, I really haven't gotten a good answer of why Cooper was just an ancillary piece of this offense when we gave up a 3rd round pick for him.  He averaged about 2.4 receptions a game (including the playoffs).  The jury is still out on whether Brady can effectively use a #1 WR if we get one imo.

Diggs had 868 yards and 7 TD’s in 10 games with Dorsey in 2023. 
 

He had 496 yards and 3 TD’s in 8 starts with the Texans.

 

He had 388 and 1 TD in 9 games with Brady. 
 

It’s pretty wild to assume you can chalk all this up to Diggs just declining. Then an entirely separate  player went thru the same thing. 
 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 08:40 AM by Mikie2times

[Doc Brown]

40 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Diggs had 868 yards and 7 TD’s in 10 games with Dorsey in 2023. 
 

He had 496 yards and 3 TD’s in 8 starts with the Texans.

 

He had 388 and 1 TD in 9 games with Brady. 
 

It’s pretty wild to assume you can chalk all this up to Diggs just declining. Then an entirely separate  player went thru the same thing. 

That's why I don't buy it.  His separation stats in 2023 were consistent with his previous three years here.  I think Brady's system was the straw that broke the camels back with Diggs getting traded.  He may have lost a little but not much.  Now with the torn ACL it's doubtful he'll ever be more than a role player.  Like I said, I'll believe Brady can effectively use a #1 WR when I see it.

Edited Sunday at 09:20 AM by Doc Brown

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

As a WR2 getting less targets that's very good. Meyers numbers only picked up once Adams was traded. He was on pace for about 128 targets which is about 35-40 less targets than he was getting as the WR1 in Buffalo. I think factoring in context if you want to still say he wasn't elite he wasn't very far off either. 

 

The difference for Stef is he stopped being able to separate vertically. A little bit of speed had gone and a little bit of suddenness. He isn't a guy who is going to be useless without that burst because his super power was always his route runnung nous and his craftiness, but I think a bit like Larry Fitz his last 5 years Stef's future now is as a slot receiver where his yards per reception are down and he works mainly underneath. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 2/28/2025 at 9:31 PM, NoSaint said:

he’s had geno throwing to him 

Geno is like the Kyle Orton of this era. 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Diggs had 868 yards and 7 TD’s in 10 games with Dorsey in 2023. 
 

He had 496 yards and 3 TD’s in 8 starts with the Texans

So like almost half the production in 2 less games? 
 

Wow, almost like he’s not as good.

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

I get both those sentiments but it's still a mystery to me of his sharp almost instant decline starting about halfway through the season.  Also, I really haven't gotten a good answer of why Cooper was just an ancillary piece of this offense when we gave up a 3rd round pick for him.  He averaged about 2.4 receptions a game (including the playoffs).  The jury is still out on whether Brady can effectively use a #1 WR if we get one imo.

I think it’s also fair to wonder whether Diggs started dogging it when the Bills season was in danger of being over 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

So like almost half the production in 2 less games? 
 

Wow, almost like he’s not as good.

I think it’s also fair to wonder whether Diggs started dogging it when the Bills season was in danger of being over 

He was much worse the same season with Brady. Very obvious. He can be declining, but still much worse in that decline with Brady which is clearly what happened. Again, I never posted one time that Diggs didn’t decline (now will be off major knee surgery). I posted that two separate players in back to back year experienced career lows with our OC and as such, it shouldn’t be assumed he can properly utilize a #1. Your multiple responses to that are to just say Diggs declined. Got it. Diggs declined. Thank you for pointing that out. 

[colin]

On 2/28/2025 at 1:38 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

I have no qualms about trading for DK, although I think Garrett or Crosby does more for this team if we can only pick one.  It was always a long shot for us to get DK, assuming we even tried, but if we were gonna make a big trade for someone at WR he did seem like the only possible target.  

 

But…if the Packers are gonna offer what is being stated is on the table, he’s gonna be a Packer, we won’t be able to compete with that offer and doubt anyone else will either.  A quality first plus a talented young WR isn’t likely being beaten by anyone.  

 

agree totally.

 

that seems really rich for DK (the price that gb will evidently pay).  i think a deal would look similar to what we got for diggs or thereabouts.  for that, and making assumptions about the cap/contracts, we could potentially swing him and garrett.  the addition of those two on this team would create shocking results.  mcd could run his d how he likes, mixing coverages and daring people to run, and the O would be the same change up many weapon nightmare it is now, but with an instant KO overhand right thrown into the soup.

[HOUSE]

What GM doesn't listen to offers?

If he doesn't than he should be fired 

[Orlando Buffalo]

19 hours ago, FireChans said:

There’s no data in the world that will convince mean that Diggs hasn’t significantly declined as a player. None. Zero

Diggs is clearly not as good as he was in 2020 and 2021, regardless of how much I appreciate what he did for the Bills. He played in 21 straight games without any 100 yard games and he was not the best receiver on our team at end of 2023 or on Houston. He was top 5 in league on 2021

[BillsFanForever19]

Seahawks Reporter

Edited Sunday at 11:40 PM by BillsFanForever19

[Kelly to Allen]

Is it possible to trade for Metcalf and Garrett and still keep one of our 2s ? 

 

Get it done beane 

Edited Sunday at 11:52 PM by Kelly to Allen

[njbuff]

 The Bills are in on all of these players, which means they aren’t getting any of them. 😁

[BillsPride12]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Is it possible to trade for Metcalf and Garrett and still keep one of our 2s ? 

 

Get it done beane 

I'm not against going after Metcalf but my problem is not at the expense of having the ammo to trade for Garrett if it is a legitimate possibility.  Also want us to keep our second so we can grab a DT.  I haven't been this excited for an offseason in awhile though