Seattle listening to offers on DK Metcalf

[The Firebaugh Kid]

4 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Depends… are his wrists injured?

My right wrist sure will be if we trade for DK! 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I agree with a lot of what you're saying here - Garrett or Crosby first.  But it seems like those could be drifting away.  Cleveland not dealing and the Raiders potentially adding Stafford to at least appear competitive to keep Crosby.

 

Where I differ is on being able to compete with the Pack.  Doubs is a troubled WR that I think Green Bay is hoping to unload and make it look like a deal sweetener.  Much in the same way I think Beane would dangle J Cook.  I think Kincaid and Coleman are in the Shakir category of highly coachable, team oriented, culture players that are here for the long haul.  Cook is questionable in that regard IMO and could be trade bait in any of the major moves.

 

The issue is this that we don’t have players to offer that make sense for Seattle.  They already have two good RBs though, so they don’t need to trade for a 2 down RB, who is not great in pass pro, yet wants top of the market money.  
 

As far as Doubs goes, I agree with you on him but I think his biggest issue is wanting to have a bigger role which he probably would there replacing DK.  But I also think Seattle would probably push for Wicks over Doubs.  
 

Now for us, maybe if Beane was willing to include Keon in the trade (which I doubt) we could get maybe into the game, but we still aren’t in the same league as GB in the draft pick comp with how much lower we are picking.  Seattle doesn’t need a TE or RB, so Kincaid, Knox, and Cook will not have much appeal IMHO, so that leaves just picks or picks and Keon.  Now you are getting pretty expensive in order to best the Packers alleged package.  
 

So not impossible, but unlikely IMHO as I can’t see us offering more than the rumored GB offer.  

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[quincy]

Green Bay is seemingly putting out feelers on Doubs. Any idea what he'd his direct trade value would be and would Buffalo have any interest in him?

 

With Stafford staying in LA, I assume that Crosby is still remaining in play for now.

[Einstein's Dog]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

They already have two good RBs though, and don’t need Cook, whose a 2 down RB as he’s not great in pass pro yet wants top of the market money.  
 

As far as Doubs goes, I think his biggest issue is wanting to have a bigger role which he would there replacing DK.  But I also think Seattle would probably push for Wicks over Doubs.  
 

Now for us, maybe if Beane was willing to include Keon in the trade (which I doubt) we could get maybe into the game, but we still aren’t in the same league as GB in the draft pick comp with how much lower we are picking.  Seattle doesn’t need a TE or RB, so Kincaid, Knox, and Cook will not have much appeal IMHO, so that leaves just picks or picks and Keon.  Now you are getting pretty expensive in order to best the Packers alleged package.  
 

So not impossible, but unlikely IMHO as I can’t see us offering more than the rumored GB offer.  

I don't follow you on the Seattle doesn't need an RB thought. 

 

K Walker had <600 yds with a 3.7 ypc.  He was put on season ending IR in Dec 2024

Their second RB is Zach Chabonnet who had <600 yds with a 4.2 ypc. 

Then K McIntosh as #3 who had a total of 172 yds

Then there is George Holani - who?  Seriously Holani has a total of 10 yards! on a 3.3 ypc.

 

Seattle was 30th in rushing yards and 23rd in ypc

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Which DL are you comfortable with ? Are you happy paying Rousseau $25m if he digs in over that ?  Oliver was  great in 2023 … had a step back last year …. I wouldn’t have any concerns if any other DL player moved on … and a couple like Jones and Miller probably should 

 

I'm not especially happy with the DL but at least we have a DL. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills on here sometimes the way people act like that's our biggest need. I don't think a lot of fans recognize that right now we literally don't have an NFL WR room. I know there is still FA and the draft but as of right now we could not field an NFL offense. That is absolutely the biggest need on the team. Even if we wanted to run back what we had last season you're probably talking $18M+ this year to bring Cooper and Hollins back which means we're paying a lot more money for the same group of players that couldn't separate downfield.

 

So if a WR like Metcalf is available, we have to do what it takes to acquire him. It fills the biggest need, it gives us a skill set that doesn’t exist on the roster, and it adds high end talent to a group that desperately needs it.

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, Einstein&#x27;s Dog said:

I don't follow you on the Seattle doesn't need an RB thought. 

 

K Walker had <600 yds with a 3.7 ypc.  He was put on season ending IR in Dec 2024

Their second RB is Zach Chabonnet who had <600 yds with a 4.2 ypc. 

Then K McIntosh as #3 who had a total of 172 yds

Then there is George Holani - who?  Seriously Holani has a total of 10 yards! on a 3.3 ypc.

 

Seattle was 30th in rushing yards and 23rd in ypc

Not because of their RBs.  It’s their OL and Ryan Grubbs inability to grasp the nfl.  IMO anyway.  Their RBs would’ve had much better ypc and productions running behind our OL and in our offense

[90sTillNOW]

We could have had him on draft day but we drafted Cody Ford instead. 😒 

[Aussie Joe]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not especially happy with the DL but at least we have a DL. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills on here sometimes the way people act like that's our biggest need. I don't think a lot of fans recognize that right now we literally don't have an NFL WR room. I know there is still FA and the draft but as of right now we could not field an NFL offense. That is absolutely the biggest need on the team. Even if we wanted to run back what we had last season you're probably talking $18M+ this year to bring Cooper and Hollins back which means we're paying a lot more money for the same group of players that couldn't separate downfield.

 

So if a WR like Metcalf is available, we have to do what it takes to acquire him. It fills the biggest need, it gives us a skill set that doesn’t exist on the roster, and it adds high end talent to a group that desperately needs it.

I’m not sure of your “ we can’t field an offense  “ comment …Out of the 5 WR that suited up in the playoffs …I expect 4 to be back including Hollis to be re-signed on a modest deal.  They would be crazy to bring back Cooper as the game seems to have passed him by, but that still leaves Hollis, Shakir, Samuel and Coleman…. It’s not my preferred WR group by any means , but it looks like it’s a group they have put together and  seem to be happy with, and to be fair that group did have  a reasonable level of success last year…

 

Id be happy to bring in a legitimate field stretching WR as I mentioned previously to replace Cooper  … if they can get Metcalf on reasonable terms that would be  great …but I don’t want to give up the farm for him … it looks like you have moved your enthusiasm from Higgins onto the next best “available”  guy …it’s nice to set the bar high .. but we are up against other teams with better draft picks and more cap space though…so I wouldn’t be banking on it…

 

The D seems to have several more issues than the O as we head into 2025 …they can’t get off the field- unless they get turn overs …and thats not a long term viable strategy in my view …

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Einstein&#x27;s Dog said:

I don't follow you on the Seattle doesn't need an RB thought. 

 

K Walker had <600 yds with a 3.7 ypc.  He was put on season ending IR in Dec 2024

Their second RB is Zach Chabonnet who had <600 yds with a 4.2 ypc. 

Then K McIntosh as #3 who had a total of 172 yds

Then there is George Holani - who?  Seriously Holani has a total of 10 yards! on a 3.3 ypc.

 

Seattle was 30th in rushing yards and 23rd in ypc

There are issues are more OL than RB talent IMHO and I don’t think a 2 down RB who benefits from Allen and a top OL here who wants to be paid more than Saquan is gonna appeal to them personally.  
 

I could be wrong, just my 2 cents 

[Victory Formation]

I think it’s possible that Beane goes the no true #1 WR route. We may add yet another Robin but no true Batman.

[Nihilarian]

I don't get this entire discussion considering the 2024 Buffalo Bills finished the season with a franchise record of most points scored, #2 in points scored for the league and #10 in yards. The offense wasn't a problem as they scored 29 points on the #4 defense in points allowed, and they held their own against that KC defense, Ravens defense, Broncos defense.

 

If anything, we all watched as opposing QB's had all day to throw the ball game after game like that loss to the Rams 44-42 or the win over the Lions in DETROIT 48-42.

 

A better pass rush this past season, and the Buffalo Bills are most likely playing in the Super Bowl despite the supposed lack of wide receivers in the WR room. Then when you consider Buffalo allowed their two best WRs in Stephon Diggs and Gabe Davis leave...many had projected Buffalo to have a rebuilding season. Not all the way to the AFC Championship game. 

 

The only WR returning from the 2023 season was Kahlil Shakir while all the rest were new to the team. I would think that as they all become more acclimated to the offense they will all get even better for 2025. Plus the draft and free agency. So why spend so many resources on a WR when an DT, an edge rusher are more desperately needed? Just my 2 cents. 

 

 

[Jrb1979]

9 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't get this entire discussion considering the 2024 Buffalo Bills finished the season with a franchise record of most points scored, #2 in points scored for the league and #10 in yards. The offense wasn't a problem as they scored 29 points on the #4 defense in points allowed, and they held their own against that KC defense, Ravens defense, Broncos defense.

 

If anything, we all watched as opposing QB's had all day to throw the ball game after game like that loss to the Rams 44-42 or the win over the Lions in DETROIT 48-42.

 

A better pass rush this past season, and the Buffalo Bills are most likely playing in the Super Bowl despite the supposed lack of wide receivers in the WR room. Then when you consider Buffalo allowed their two best WRs in Stephon Diggs and Gabe Davis leave...many had projected Buffalo to have a rebuilding season. Not all the way to the AFC Championship game. 

 

The only WR returning from the 2023 season was Kahlil Shakir while all the rest were new to the team. I would think that as they all become more acclimated to the offense they will all get even better for 2025. Plus the draft and free agency. So why spend so many resources on a WR when an DT, an edge rusher are more desperately needed? Just my 2 cents. 

 

 

While this season the offense was one of the best. I'm not sold on them repeating those numbers. They played a lot of non playoff teams this past year and they also got a lot of help in turnover department. 

 

IMO spend picks to get DK, add a top FA for the D Line and CB.  Mortgage the future and try to win this season. 

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, quincy said:

Green Bay is seemingly putting out feelers on Doubs. Any idea what he'd his direct trade value would be and would Buffalo have any interest in him?

 

With Stafford staying in LA, I assume that Crosby is still remaining in play for now.

I'm guessing they'd want a 3rd. I like him but he comes off like a diva WR toss in he only has one year left on his contract and not sure we could re-sign him.

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

While this season the offense was one of the best. I'm not sold on them repeating those numbers. They played a lot of non playoff teams this past year and they also got a lot of help in turnover department. 

 

IMO spend picks to get DK, add a top FA for the D Line and CB.  Mortgage the future and try to win this season. 

Too bad there's this thing called the salary cap.

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I'm guessing they'd want a 3rd. I like him but he comes off like a diva WR toss in he only has one year left on his contract and not sure we could re-sign him.

Too bad there's this thing called the salary cap.

Somehow the Eagles made it work. Restructuring contracts and add void years like they did. Other teams make it work. For some reason this team refuses to mortgage the future. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

Somehow the Eagles made it work. Restructuring contracts and add void years like they did. Other teams make it work. For some reason this team refuses to mortgage the future. 

Eagles had a bunch of guys on D under their rookie contracts many of which are free agents this season. 

[Jrb1979]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

Eagles had a bunch of guys on D under their rookie contracts many of which are free agents this season. 

IMO the Bills should strive to do the same. Sure they will take a step back for a few seasons but in the end it was worth it for a Super Bowl 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

IMO the Bills should strive to do the same. Sure they will take a step back for a few seasons but in the end it was worth it for a Super Bowl 

If we were one player away sure but truth be told we aren't. 

[Nihilarian]

If anything that's not sustainable is the +24 turnover ratio by the 2024 Bills as Buffalo led the league in turnover ratio. In that AFC Championship game they had 4 fumbles and recovered them all. It's that they didn't get that ratio against KC in that last game. 

 

Now stop and think if they didn't have that phenomenal turnover ratio, the team might not even make the playoffs this season, and not because the offense wasn't scoring points. 

 

The 2025 Buffalo Bills need defensive help far far more than the offense. DT, Edge, S, CB. (PASS RUSHER! #1 priority!!!!!!!!!!)

Edited 1 hour ago by Nihilarian

[BarleyNY]

17 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Somehow the Eagles made it work. Restructuring contracts and add void years like they did. Other teams make it work. For some reason this team refuses to mortgage the future. 

It is not about mortgaging the future. The Eagles aren’t doing that. It’s about how much the owner is willing to spend. 

[Jrb1979]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

It is not about mortgaging the future. The Eagles aren’t doing that. It’s about how much the owner is willing to spend. 

Pegula needs to open the pocket books.