Seattle listening to offers on DK Metcalf

[MikePJ76]

Side note here.

 

Davante Adams was traded in 2022 to Las Vegas for picks 22 and 53.

 

Las Vegas immediately gave him a 5 year deal worth 28.5 million a year and 67 million guaranteed.

 

Adams was 29,  Metcalf is 27

 

Adams has the stats and the all pro's and pro bowls but he also played with Aaron Rodgers.

 

I have to say after looking at that giving up a 1 and coleman/kincaid seems high.  

 

pick 22 is worth 780 points and 53 is worth 370 so 1150 points.

 

pick 30 is worth 620 points.  So 530 points difference. Lets say Buffalo wins the superbowl, pick 32 is worth 590.  That leaves a 60 point difference.   Pick 137 is worth 37.5.

 

That means this years 1 and next years 1 is an overpay that can be equaled out with the return of an early 4.

 

So hypothetically.

 

Seattle sends Metcalf and #137

Buffalo sends 2025 #30 & 2026 #32   

 

I would do this right now if it were an option.  Curtis Samuels deal is over after next year.  

 

The Bills could have Metcalf, Coleman/Hollins(resign) outside and Samuels, Shakir inside with Knox, Kincaid, Davidson, Morris(resign) at tight end.

 

that would be a pretty great offense.  The bills get better, keep their guys and get even bigger on offense.  

Edited 4 hours ago by MikePJ76

[Allen2Moulds]

As much as I love DK, and have always thought him to be the exact type of weapon that Josh needs, the price seems a little steep in my opinion.  We still desperately need to rebuild our Dline.

If I'm the Bills, I'm calling Indy about Alec Pierce.  He's going into the last year of his rookie deal, and is a tall field stretcher, who's potential hasn't been met.  They also already paid Pittman, have Downs in the slot, and drafted AD Mitchell last year.  Maybe we can get Pierce for like a 3rd, and maybe a little extra, or conditional second if he hits certain numbers.

[BuffaloBillyG]

The great thing about the combine is all the stories/refutes that come out. 

 

It's officially Lying Season people. Don't buy any "rumor".

[glazeduck]

19 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Side note here.

 

Davante Adams was traded in 2022 to Las Vegas for picks 22 and 53.

 

Las Vegas immediately gave him a 5 year deal worth 28.5 million a year and 67 million guaranteed.

 

Adams was 29,  Metcalf is 27

 

Adams has the stats and the all pro's and pro bowls but he also played with Aaron Rodgers.

 

I have to say after looking at that giving up a 1 and coleman/kincaid seems high.  

 

pick 22 is worth 780 points and 53 is worth 370 so 1150 points.

 

pick 30 is worth 620 points.  So 530 points difference. Lets say Buffalo wins the superbowl, pick 32 is worth 590.  That leaves a 60 point difference.   Pick 137 is worth 37.5.

 

That means this years 1 and next years 1 is an overpay that can be equaled out with the return of an early 4.

 

So hypothetically.

 

Seattle sends Metcalf and #137

Buffalo sends 2025 #30 & 2026 #32   

 

I would do this right now if it were an option.  Curtis Samuels deal is over after next year.  

 

The Bills could have Metcalf, Coleman/Hollins(resign) outside and Samuels, Shakir inside with Knox, Kincaid, Davidson, Morris(resign) at tight end.

 

that would be a pretty great offense.  The bills get better, keep their guys and get even bigger on offense.  

I LOVE DK, but sorry man, that's a bit YIKES from me. Big big overpay. If we're packaging 2 1s, go get Luther Burden instead. His small contract, compared to DK's, would allow us to sign another impact free agent.

 

If we can get DK for Coleman and a 2, awesome. I don't think Seattle's getting a better offer than that elsewhere. If we can't, so be it.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, glazeduck said:

I LOVE DK, but sorry man, that's a bit YIKES from me. Big big overpay. If we're packaging 2 1s, go get Luther Burden instead. His small contract, compared to DK's, would allow us to sign another impact free agent.

 

If we can get DK for Coleman and a 2, awesome. I don't think Seattle's getting a better offer than that elsewhere. If we can't, so be it.

The Bills first rounders are essentially 2nd rounders with the added bonus of the fifth year option.  

 

If the rumored deal from GB is true that establishes that a first rounder is part of the deal.  

 

In a perfect world, pick 30 and next years 2 or 3 would be ideal.  Or two 2's.   

 

also to quote George Carlin, 

 

"I never had a ten, but one night I had five two's"  

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

They literally do not even have the numbers on the defense right now. 

 

To be fair we also don't have the numbers on offense. We have 3 WRs on the roster, 0 that can definitely start outside. WR and CB are the only gaping holes on the roster. Safety is up there too because you don't want to rely on Bishop. DL needs improvements but there are no gaping holes, all of our starters from last year are under contract.

[nedboy7]

With Bean's first round picking, doesn't it make sense we just trade them for studs?  I guess financially that would become problematic. 

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

No but he can make the defense practically irrelevant if he helps us score 35 PPG. Any DT (or any position for that matter) we draft at #30 is not likely to become an elite player. Metcalf is already elite and in his prime. There's no need to overthink it. It's a no brainer if he's available.

I have serious concerns Brady doesn't know how to use a true #1. If he does, I wonder how much more + the offense can be? Certainly they can get much better with a resource like Metcalf, but they already were near league high's in multiple categories. How many historic offensive teams tend to win it all? Maybe the Rams long ago? Some degree of balance seems to part of the formula. 

 

We really need a better defense. It was the worst iteration of any of the playoff teams we had and was almost completely dependent on turnovers to make it work (I think they were ranked in the 30's in EPA excluding turnovers). It was dreadful. Obviously I have concerns over if a defensive investment can pay off given my less than stellar feelings on McD, but with that said, I know to a certainty it won't work if he doesn't have more horses. Where I know Allen and company will still be a threat any game to drop 30 on a defense even with who we have now. 

 

No perfect answer to this, but that's my feelings at the moment. 

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

To be fair we also don't have the numbers on offense. We have 3 WRs on the roster, 0 that can definitely start outside. WR and CB are the only gaping holes on the roster. Safety is up there too because you don't want to rely on Bishop. DL needs improvements but there are no gaping holes, all of our starters from last year are under contract.

Yea that is true. They have numbers there its just that we don't think of Virgil, Shavers or Hamler as guys who will make a difference at the moment.  

 

Safety is Rapp/ Bishop.  The defensive end position is in a tough spot and They need a starting corner.  

 

I am of the opinion they will get something done with Hollins.  He is everything they want in a role player.

 

I wish they would sign Darius Slayton and guarantee themselves they have a good room before the draft creating a situation where if a wr falls to them in the 1st, 2nd or 4th they can take that player without putting the weight of the world on their shoulders.

 

I don't think they will sign slayton or trade for metcalf though.  I think it's Hollins and a 2nd to 5th round wr or mid level guy on a team friendly deal. 

[Capco]

34 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The great thing about the combine is all the stories/refutes that come out. 

 

It's officially Lying Season people. Don't buy any "rumor".

"Cordy Glenn ain't a left tackle and can only play guard!"

[Doc Brown]

11 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

With Bean's first round picking, doesn't it make sense we just trade them for studs?  I guess financially that would become problematic. 

Financially the Bills are now in a position to make it work.  The Diggs trade would be comparable I'm guessing as far as trade compensation goes.  We just don't know the status between DK and the Seahawks though.  This could be just pure gossip.

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, Sweats said:

Well, if we couldn't keep Cooper involved in our O, how would Metcalf even play out?!?

Something was off about Coop. To have Coleman and Hollins significantly out snap him was just odd. Not sure if it was him not picking up the playbook or what

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

"He's at least been willing to listen" sounds like more of the same. Teams approaching him and not the other way around, like in the Draft and the Trade Deadline last year. Though "at least willing to listen" might indicate that he was just straight hanging up on people last year and this year he's at least hearing things out. Maybe a small step forward.

 

The Packers offering a high pick and a young receiver is a big offer to beat though. If they're offering a 1st (which is better than ours) and a Christian Watson or Romeo Doubs (if they want a WR in return) - I don't know that we'd be able to (or willing to) top that.

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

If Cleveland is holding firm on not trading Garrett and the Raiders reload with Stafford (thereby signaling they aren't tanking and appeasing Crosby), I think the FO pivots and turns to third on the overall list of big moves and goes for DK.

 

It doesn't mean they give up on D line, it just modifies the way they go about it.  The big draft capital and money goes to DK and a decent sized FA goes to the D line with a lot of the remaining draft capital going to D.

I agree, start with Garrett then Crosby.  If there's no deals there to be had, go after DK.  Then draft D.

[MikePJ76]

11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

"He's at least been willing to listen" sounds like more of the same. Teams approaching him and not the other way around, like in the Draft and the Trade Deadline last year. Though "at least willing to listen" might indicate that he was just straight hanging up on people last year and this year he's at least hearing things out. Maybe a small step forward.

 

The Packers offering a high pick and a young receiver is a big offer to beat though. If they're offering a 1st (which is better than ours) and a Christian Watson or Romeo Doubs (if they want a WR in return) - I don't know that we'd be able to (or willing to) top that.

Watson is injured and is going to be out for the early part of the year after acl surgery.

 

Doubs is a good player not a great one and has an expiring contract.  He also was suspended from the team last year so I am sure they are looking to move him regardless of this metcalf deal.

[Aussie Joe]

44 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

To be fair we also don't have the numbers on offense. We have 3 WRs on the roster, 0 that can definitely start outside. WR and CB are the only gaping holes on the roster. Safety is up there too because you don't want to rely on Bishop. DL needs improvements but there are no gaping holes, all of our starters from last year are under contract.

Which DL are you comfortable with ? Are you happy paying Rousseau $25m if he digs in over that ?  Oliver was  great in 2023 … had a step back last year …. I wouldn’t have any concerns if any other DL player moved on … and a couple like Jones and Miller probably should 
 

Yes … get a WR that can stretch the field as well as D upgrades 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

It's not only KC, Rams had their way with us (any good offense did too) and Eagles aren't getting any worse. 

 

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah it sucks that we need to score 35+ points to beat KC in the playoffs, but that is the simple reality. We've had four chances against them and they've never punted more than twice. The last two times our offense had the ball last and couldn't close out the game. So I've given up all hope of changing that game script. The correct strategy is to try and win within that game script.

 

Anyways we would still have two 2nd rounders in a deep DL class so it's not like trading for Metcalf would preclude us from rebuilding the defense.

Exactly, we could land DK and still draft defense with 56 & 62.  

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The great thing about the combine is all the stories/refutes that come out. 

 

It's officially Lying Season people. Don't buy any "rumor".

Unless it's lying about lying. Then believe away. But don't actually 

[gordong]

pass gotta fix the damn defense...   Trade for a stud Defensive player... and hopefully hit on 3-4 others in the draft. 

[billsfan89]

6 minutes ago, gordong said:

pass gotta fix the damn defense...   Trade for a stud Defensive player... and hopefully hit on 3-4 others in the draft. 

 

There's gotta be a stud defensive player on the market to be traded for. Crosby and Garrett may not be on the market. The offense still needs a quality boundary WR.