JDHillFan Posted Saturday at 05:54 PM Posted Saturday at 05:54 PM 3 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Trump will tweet the weather!! Tell us commie overlord! How much snow we getting!! Hope its wrong so we troll the liberals!! Possibly your finest post yet. Witty, yet packs a punch. More please. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted Saturday at 06:04 PM Posted Saturday at 06:04 PM This thread is the dividing line of people who believe that government jobs are meant to be forever and those who believe it must provide a service to the tax payers. No reasonable person can argue that we need 12000 people to tell the weather and make the simple predictions they do, especially when most of work is now down by computer models. We also have at least 5 private weather services that do similar jobs with a fraction of the people. 2
nedboy7 Posted Saturday at 06:21 PM Posted Saturday at 06:21 PM 14 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: This thread is the dividing line of people who believe that government jobs are meant to be forever and those who believe it must provide a service to the tax payers. No reasonable person can argue that we need 12000 people to tell the weather and make the simple predictions they do, especially when most of work is now down by computer models. We also have at least 5 private weather services that do similar jobs with a fraction of the people. This thread is the dividing line of people who think NOAA makes simple weather predictions and what real science is. How else do you explain... The Trump administration is stripping away support for scientific research in the US and overseas that contains a word it finds particularly inconvenient: “climate.” There is a difference between thinking your house is cluttered and arbitrarily throwing out furniture and boxes. It is also quite idiotic to think anyone who doesn't worship trump is a ***** liberal.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Saturday at 07:53 PM Posted Saturday at 07:53 PM 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: This thread is the dividing line of people who think NOAA makes simple weather predictions and what real science is. How else do you explain... The Trump administration is stripping away support for scientific research in the US and overseas that contains a word it finds particularly inconvenient: “climate.” There is a difference between thinking your house is cluttered and arbitrarily throwing out furniture and boxes. It is also quite idiotic to think anyone who doesn't worship trump is a ***** liberal. I didn't mention Trump, you did. I didn't mention liberals, you did. You also did not negate any of point, unless you think it takes 8000 people to run a computer simulation. My point is about efficiency and usefulness, and your analogy is proof you are disingenuous because you can't make that analogy and not approve of DOGE. 1
Roundybout Posted Saturday at 08:52 PM Author Posted Saturday at 08:52 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: This thread is the dividing line of people who believe that government jobs are meant to be forever and those who believe it must provide a service to the tax payers. No reasonable person can argue that we need 12000 people to tell the weather and make the simple predictions they do, especially when most of work is now down by computer models. We also have at least 5 private weather services that do similar jobs with a fraction of the people. Where do those private services get their data from? Who programs the data models? Who interprets them? Edited Saturday at 08:53 PM by Roundybout
LDD Posted Saturday at 09:22 PM Posted Saturday at 09:22 PM 3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: This thread is the dividing line of people who believe that government jobs are meant to be forever and those who believe it must provide a service to the tax payers. No reasonable person can argue that we need 12000 people to tell the weather and make the simple predictions they do, especially when most of work is now down by computer models. We also have at least 5 private weather services that do similar jobs with a fraction of the people. This is a joke correct? Why don't you look up what NOAA does. Start by looking up how much of America is coastline, that will help you understand the implications in steamy Orlando. 30 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Where do those private services get their data from? Who programs the data models? Who interprets them? I really don't know how you do this all day with these people. The ignorance is astounding. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted Sunday at 12:07 AM Posted Sunday at 12:07 AM 3 hours ago, Roundybout said: Where do those private services get their data from? Who programs the data models? Who interprets them? Are you asking me or admitting you have no idea? 2 hours ago, LDD said: This is a joke correct? Why don't you look up what NOAA does. Start by looking up how much of America is coastline, that will help you understand the implications in steamy Orlando. Please inform me what they do that is useful that insurance companies don't do with teams of less than 200 each?
LDD Posted Sunday at 12:29 AM Posted Sunday at 12:29 AM 15 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Are you asking me or admitting you have no idea? Please inform me what they do that is useful that insurance companies don't do with teams of less than 200 each? oh boy, I can't answer you question because its premise is FUKT...i guess I would tell you that insurance companies would have ZERO data about any natural disaster without NOAA. Why don't you name me an insurance company or any other private entity with an offshore buoy, ship, plane, satellite (I know...Elon) or cumulative website that provides the WORLD and your NATION with actionable information that is UNBIASED, SPECIFIC and REAL.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Sunday at 12:44 AM Posted Sunday at 12:44 AM 10 minutes ago, LDD said: oh boy, I can't answer you question because its premise is FUKT...i guess I would tell you that insurance companies would have ZERO data about any natural disaster without NOAA. Why don't you name me an insurance company or any other private entity with an offshore buoy, ship, plane, satellite (I know...Elon) or cumulative website that provides the WORLD and your NATION with actionable information that is UNBIASED, SPECIFIC and REAL. Got it, so your answer is they do a good job of data collection, which I agree with, but that does not require anymore than 1000 employees at most. After they collect data, what does the rest of the people do that insurance companies don't do?
LDD Posted Sunday at 12:51 AM Posted Sunday at 12:51 AM 2 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Got it, so your answer is they do a good job of data collection, which I agree with, but that does not require anymore than 1000 employees at most. After they collect data, what does the rest of the people do that insurance companies don't do? Got it...do what I told you to do initially and Google how much coastline the US has including AK, HI, Guam, PR etc...then, look at the buoy data JUST for that. Then, extend that coastline out at least 100 mi and in some cases much more. Then, add support for all those buoys (by support I mean actual ships with crews and air crews and support). Then, think about that's just water, waves and storms in oceans and lakes and boat and planes. Now, think about land. Yeah, maybe 1000 people can help you think about WTF that entails.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Sunday at 01:18 AM Posted Sunday at 01:18 AM 21 minutes ago, LDD said: Got it...do what I told you to do initially and Google how much coastline the US has including AK, HI, Guam, PR etc...then, look at the buoy data JUST for that. Then, extend that coastline out at least 100 mi and in some cases much more. Then, add support for all those buoys (by support I mean actual ships with crews and air crews and support). Then, think about that's just water, waves and storms in oceans and lakes and boat and planes. Now, think about land. Yeah, maybe 1000 people can help you think about WTF that entails. . NOAA has 15 boats, with no more than 36 people per boat. That is about 500 people, but good job showing me you have no idea what are are speaking about. BTW I do not think NOAA or NWS should disappear just be made smaller. https://www.omao.noaa.gov/marine-operations/ships-noaa#:~:text=NOAA
HamSandwhich Posted Sunday at 01:25 AM Posted Sunday at 01:25 AM On 2/28/2025 at 11:39 AM, Roundybout said: They are already extremely understaffed The NWS is objectively good and should not be touched. “Extremely understaffed” according to who? Climate ideology staff can be cut everywhere and anywhere in my opinion, they add nothing but furthering the democrat agenda of scaring people to get them to vote for them. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted Sunday at 01:40 AM Posted Sunday at 01:40 AM 14 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: “Extremely understaffed” according to who? Climate ideology staff can be cut everywhere and anywhere in my opinion, they add nothing but furthering the democrat agenda of scaring people to get them to vote for them. In about 2010 the NWS or NOAA was warning that by 2025 that snow would be rare in the Continental USA, while in actual 2025 my son in Tallahassee FL was snowed in for week this year.
LDD Posted Sunday at 01:59 AM Posted Sunday at 01:59 AM 35 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: . NOAA has 15 boats, with no more than 36 people per boat. That is about 500 people, but good job showing me you have no idea what are are speaking about. BTW I do not think NOAA or NWS should disappear just be made smaller. https://www.omao.noaa.gov/marine-operations/ships-noaa#:~:text=NOAA You're correct man, I should not have said anything. Maybe you should track down all the contracted boats with NOAA grant crews and scientists. I stand humbled.
SectionC3 Posted Sunday at 02:05 AM Posted Sunday at 02:05 AM 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Got it, so your answer is they do a good job of data collection, which I agree with, but that does not require anymore than 1000 employees at most. After they collect data, what does the rest of the people do that insurance companies don't do? Realistically, how on earth would you know how many employees are "at most" required for data collection? You're a math teacher with a tenuous grasp of the English language. Give me a break. Do I think that forecasting is probably going to become a creature of AI sooner than later? Yes, I do. And I think it's probably going other support job cuts at the NOAA. But I know exactly as much about the personnel required to collect data to be fed to forecasters, whether human or AI. Which is absolutely nothing.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Sunday at 02:24 AM Posted Sunday at 02:24 AM 10 minutes ago, LDD said: You're correct man, I should not have said anything. Maybe you should track down all the contracted boats with NOAA grant crews and scientists. I stand humbled. The last time I assumed someone on this site was being sarcastic I was wrong, so I am unsure how to to reply. 5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Realistically, how on earth would you know how many employees are "at most" required for data collection? You're a math teacher with a tenuous grasp of the English language. Give me a break. Do I think that forecasting is probably going to become a creature of AI sooner than later? Yes, I do. And I think it's probably going other support job cuts at the NOAA. But I know exactly as much about the personnel required to collect data to be fed to forecasters, whether human or AI. Which is absolutely nothing. The job is to collect data, at this point it is not done by hand it is done by automatic computer data being sent to a main "warehouse". How do you think they do the data collection?
Roundybout Posted Sunday at 02:49 AM Author Posted Sunday at 02:49 AM 2 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Are you asking me or admitting you have no idea? Please inform me what they do that is useful that insurance companies don't do with teams of less than 200 each? I know weather stuff. Try me. Name one private company that doesn't get their data from NWS/NOAA.
LDD Posted Sunday at 02:54 AM Posted Sunday at 02:54 AM 25 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: The last time I assumed someone on this site was being sarcastic I was wrong, so I am unsure how to to reply. The job is to collect data, at this point it is not done by hand it is done by automatic computer data being sent to a main "warehouse". How do you think they do the data collection? Right, sarcasm...my point is that it's not just data, it is also the data collection instruments. If we JUST took numbers to maintain data collection instruments it would be in the thousands...getting to instruments, tracking, recording and understanding, applying etc...I don't want to fight about NOAA...I just want to express that NOAA is important and has been important in not only my life but also my career. I want to know absolutely as much as possible about the world around me.
Orlando Buffalo Posted Sunday at 03:04 AM Posted Sunday at 03:04 AM Just now, LDD said: Right, sarcasm...my point is that it's not just data, it is also the data collection instruments. If we JUST took numbers to maintain data collection instruments it would be in the thousands...getting to instruments, tracking, recording and understanding, applying etc...I don't want to fight about NOAA...I just want to express that NOAA is important and has been important in not only my life but also my career. I want to know absolutely as much as possible about the world around me. I figured sarcasm but last person actually was hoping their political rivals died so I figure I would be safe. I will argue that data collection instruments do not take thousands to maintain if done properly. The automation of it makes it so you only need to check things when they break, which should not be that often.
SectionC3 Posted Sunday at 12:29 PM Posted Sunday at 12:29 PM 10 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: The last time I assumed someone on this site was being sarcastic I was wrong, so I am unsure how to to reply. The job is to collect data, at this point it is not done by hand it is done by automatic computer data being sent to a main "warehouse". How do you think they do the data collection? Again, so how do you know the number?
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