Goddammit, I'm sick of excuses

[Hermes]

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Now I'm understanding why so many disagree with going all in and giving away the future. While a Super Bowl would be nice, having a chance to win each season is better. 

The thing is. These same people will argue that as long as the team has Allen the window is open.  So who cares if a season or two down the road is marginally more difficult when you have a supremely talented QB at the helm. Didn't he just prove the window doesn't close?

[BillsVet]

Thanks OP.  Title of this thread guarantees that Buffalo won't win the SB because you took the Lord's name in vain.  

[Pete]

Just now, BillsVet said:

Thanks OP.  Title of this thread guarantees that Buffalo won't win the SB because you took the Lord's name in vain.  

 

[Hermes]

38 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

During the season, the offensive line, and Cook.  The simple solution is give away a 1st and 2nd, and next years 1st for Garrett.  Then, the other 2nd goes for the space eating DT we need.  GROOT gets single coverage, and and Oliver gets the opportunity to penetrate.  The recast for the draft of the 7 picks goes towards a speedy WR, CB, and Safety.  A kicker and backup QB with our 6ths as we have two.  That’s it.

 

You can’t evaluate how bad any team wants it.  This is anger and frustration, and I understand it.  I’m frustrated too.  I am.  We have answers in front of us, but a matter of Beane doing what it takes to win.  Extend Josh amd backload it and we have all the space we need.  There a couple other restructures out there.  The cap went up last year by around $35 mil. And another $25 mil this years.  It might be as high as $27 mil.

You're right about the oline and Cook..  Honestly if they go out and get Garrett  then I think they're doing everything they can. It's the only move that moves the needle significantly enough for it to be worth it.  One of my favorite things about him is he has that nasty streak that no one on the Bills have. He's a thug on the field not off of it and a perfect fit for the defense. Hopefully he bashes Mahomes with his helmet when he plays for us

[jaybeezee]

16 hours ago, Hermes said:

Year after year, fans of this team are subjected to, the consistent rhetoric, that this year's iteration was 'good enough' save for a few calls here or there.

 

Too bad, so sad; they weren't! 

 

The Eagles absolutely throttled the team that spanked the Bills in the AFCCG. No one here, can tell me, that the Bills had an honest to god chance against the Eagles. That team was primed for a run to the superbowl regardless of anything that stood before them..

 

It wasn't just Barkley, or Hurts, or Brown, or Sweat, or Braun or anyone else. It was all of these guys punching above their weight. Collectively that team wanted it more than anyone else. That'd what makes the difference. Every single player giving the absolute max they can, to get the job done. 

 

What do the Bills have?

 

The Bills have Allen and that's about it. He's been great, but when hes the only one thats not enough to seal the deal.  Whether it's the players around him, the coaches calling the plays, or mistakes he's made himself. There have been multiple opportunities to lead the team to greatness and they've all failed at that. Its the only thing holding this team back, it's not just Allen, or the weapons, or the defense, or the coaches, it's all of them. 

 

But at the end of the day..

 

It doesn't matter who does what.

 

What matters is team success (i.e. winning a superbowl). And that means players being selfless and giving everything they've got. It means coaches pulling plays out of their asses to stop a crucial 4th down. IT MEANS BEING THE BEST OF THE BEST REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCE.

 

How many times have we all seen the Bills get 'close enough' only to fall flat on their face?  The fact of the matter is.... that it's too many...

 

I, for one, am ready for the Bills to step up and win one for themselves and for the fans. It's time to stop being a team of wussies and being a team of men who get ***** done.

 

Let's go Buffalo!

Outside of the title, I agree with pretty much everything. Im glad that the homerness is fading fast with the majority of the fan base. 

[Albwan]

I'm just going to enjoy the regular season ride.

No way this organization draws top talent, and always being at the bottom of the draft

isn't helping.

[YattaOkasan]

56 minutes ago, Hermes said:

I think Lamar Jackson had a better season ending drive than our very own Josh Allen

20% better? Cause thats how much better to be "worth it." 

 

Are you saying above that you now think the OL did play well enough. 

 

You also say you have enjoyed these last few seasons, but your thread is titled "goddammit I'm sick of excuses." Pick a lane.  If you wanted to say we need to be more physical and tougher to win the SB then title your post that.  Saying that the only thing that matters is team success (i.e. winning the super bowl) is literally sayin you dont find any other result having meaning.  You seem like a masochist if all that matters is winning the super but youve been a bills fan for so long.  

 

Edited Friday at 06:53 PM by YattaOkasan

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

You dont think Josh Allen out played his 14th highest QB salary?  So you don't think any QB is worth a salary investment?

 

Also Cook is on a rookie contract.  You don't think he outplayed his contract?

Did I say either of those things?

 

 

[YattaOkasan]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Did I say either of those things?

 

 

i wanted to check cause your reply made it seem like you only thought Shakir was the only one that outplayed his contract.  Thanks

[ProcessTruster]

17 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This must have been a long simmering anger over the last 6 weeks. 

I thought these knee jerk posts are restricted to the first 12 hours after the final game.  Heck its been over a month.  

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Now I'm understanding why so many disagree with going all in and giving away the future. While a Super Bowl would be nice, having a chance to win each season is better. 

 

I don't disagree with "going all in and giving away the future".  I disagree with you on how the Bills can best accomplish that.   We've butted heads on this before.

 

You think that loading up on the offensive side, especially at WR, is how the Bills win.  For somebody in the "the Bills will continue to do the same old thing" camp, you seem to forget that the Bills already tried that.   They traded for a big name WR, and they put up with his antics when he felt he was being "misused".   How well did that work?

 

I think that improving the defense, specifically the defensive line and the defensive backfield, is a much better way to go, and I'm not opposed to mortgaging the future to bring in the right players, especially Miles Garrett.   The only problem with Garrett is that the Bills can't force Cleveland to trade him, especially before the draft.  If they decide to trade after June 1, I'm still all in, even if it were to cost 3 first picks.  If they can't get Garrett, they should consider one of the other veteran DLers available through trade or FA.  The Bills also need to acquire a veteran safety through FA, and add another CB, either through FA or the draft or both.

 

4 hours ago, uticaclub said:

The Bills will undoubtedly continue on this course until Beane and McDermott are fired or Josh requests a trade. Last offseason was terrible; the free agent and draft classes were complete busts, with the exceptions of Hollins and Davis. Unless we find a way to score over 40 points in every playoff game, nothing is going to change, and the defense certainly isn't going to improve.

 

Last off season was "terrible" because the Bills had cap issues partly because they went "all in" on Miller in an effort to improve the defense in 2022.  He got hurt, and he hasn't been the force on defense they hoped he'd be since then.  They had to cut veteran players or let some go in FA, and they couldn't afford to sign top tier talents or even second tier ones.   They cobbled together a team that went to the AFCCG when many if not most media mavens predicted they wouldn't even win the AFC East and maybe not even make the play offs. 

 

Why do you think "the defense certainly isn't going to improve"?   Beane's attempt to improve the defense by bringing Miller was derailed by Miller's injury in 2022, Micah Hyde's injury (he played only 2 games in 2022 and was again injured at the end of 2023), and Tre White's injuries in 2022 and 2023.   Matt Milano was injured in 5 games into 2023, and only played 7 games in 2024.   FTR, neither Miller's nor White's injuries were because they were "undersized".

 

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You’re not allowed to say something like this. 
 

As Allen turns 29 for this up coming season, there should be a feeling of it’s now or never for this coach and this front office.

 

But the theme of this offseason has largely been Beane and McDermott are fine as is, don’t change anything, we’re close.

 

The GM says it, the Coach says it, a good percentage of the fans say it. 
 

Based on Beane’s comments I expect the plan to stay the same - the Bills will extend, re-sign their own, and fill in with low cost FAs. 
 

Means they have to draft better. 

 

Bull manure.  You can say what you want, but that doesn't mean that you aren't going to get push back from posters who disagree with you.

 

Don't try to rewrite history to fit your prejudices.    Beane has "gone for broke" in both 2021 and 2022 when he traded for Stefon Diggs and signed FA Von Miller.

 

48 minutes ago, Hermes said:

The thing is. These same people will argue that as long as the team has Allen the window is open.  So who cares if a season or two down the road is marginally more difficult when you have a supremely talented QB at the helm. Didn't he just prove the window doesn't close?

 

Actually, I think that Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford proved that great QBs have great longevity, especially when they have good protection and decent targets ... and a good defense doesn't hurt either.  

 

OTOH, Aaron Rodgers proved that the grass isn't always greener on a team without a decent OL, even when you try to load the team with your buddies.

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

I thought these knee jerk posts are restricted to the first 12 hours after the final game.  Heck its been over a month.  

 

It's why I didn't post for several days after the AFCCG loss.   Come to terms with the pain before posting before you make an ass of yourself in perpetuity on the web.

[Jrb1979]

18 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I don't disagree with "going all in and giving away the future".  I disagree with you on how the Bills can best accomplish that.   We've butted heads on this before.

 

You think that loading up on the offensive side, especially at WR, is how the Bills win.  For somebody in the "the Bills will continue to do the same old thing" camp, you seem to forget that the Bills already tried that.   They traded for a big name WR, and they put up with his antics when he felt he was being "misused".   How well did that work?

 

I think that improving the defense, specifically the defensive line and the defensive backfield, is a much better way to go, and I'm not opposed to mortgaging the future to bring in the right players, especially Miles Garrett.   The only problem with Garrett is that the Bills can't force Cleveland to trade him, especially before the draft.  If they decide to trade after June 1, I'm still all in, even if it were to cost 3 first picks.  If they can't get Garrett, they should consider one of the other veteran DLers available through trade or FA.  The Bills also need to acquire a veteran safety through FA, and add another CB, either through FA or the draft or both.

 I never said the defense needs help cause they definitely do. My ideal off season is trade of DK Metcalfe, sign on of the top DL in FA, sign one of the top CB and safety's in FA. Structure their contacts with to push the cap hit down the road. Try to win a Super Bowl this season. 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

26 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I don't disagree with "going all in and giving away the future".  I disagree with you on how the Bills can best accomplish that.   We've butted heads on this before.

 

You think that loading up on the offensive side, especially at WR, is how the Bills win.  For somebody in the "the Bills will continue to do the same old thing" camp, you seem to forget that the Bills already tried that.   They traded for a big name WR, and they put up with his antics when he felt he was being "misused".   How well did that work?

 

I think that improving the defense, specifically the defensive line and the defensive backfield, is a much better way to go, and I'm not opposed to mortgaging the future to bring in the right players, especially Miles Garrett.   The only problem with Garrett is that the Bills can't force Cleveland to trade him, especially before the draft.  If they decide to trade after June 1, I'm still all in, even if it were to cost 3 first picks.  If they can't get Garrett, they should consider one of the other veteran DLers available through trade or FA.  The Bills also need to acquire a veteran safety through FA, and add another CB, either through FA or the draft or both.

 

 

Last off season was "terrible" because the Bills had cap issues partly because they went "all in" on Miller in an effort to improve the defense in 2022.  He got hurt, and he hasn't been the force on defense they hoped he'd be since then.  They had to cut veteran players or let some go in FA, and they couldn't afford to sign top tier talents or even second tier ones.   They cobbled together a team that went to the AFCCG when many if not most media mavens predicted they wouldn't even win the AFC East and maybe not even make the play offs. 

 

Why do you think "the defense certainly isn't going to improve"?   Beane's attempt to improve the defense by bringing Miller was derailed by Miller's injury in 2022, Micah Hyde's injury (he played only 2 games in 2022 and was again injured at the end of 2023), and Tre White's injuries in 2022 and 2023.   Matt Milano was injured in 5 games into 2023, and only played 7 games in 2024.   FTR, neither Miller's nor White's injuries were because they were "undersized".

 

 

Bull manure.  You can say what you want, but that doesn't mean that you aren't going to get push back from posters who disagree with you.

 

Don't try to rewrite history to fit your prejudices.    Beane has "gone for broke" in both 2021 and 2022 when he traded for Stefon Diggs and signed FA Von Miller.

 

 

Actually, I think that Tom Brady and Matthew Stafford proved that great QBs have great longevity, especially when they have good protection and decent targets ... and a good defense doesn't hurt either.  

 

OTOH, Aaron Rodgers proved that the grass isn't always greener on a team without a decent OL, even when you try to load the team with your buddies.

 

 

 

 

 

It's why I didn't post for several days after the AFCCG loss.   Come to terms with the pain before posting before you make an ass of yourself in perpetuity on the web.

He went for broke by getting Stefon Diggs? 

 

I see above you ripped someone else saying that the Bills have already tried to load up at WR. 

 

I guess that means 29-year old John Brown (gave the Bills one big season) and 30-year old Cole Beasley (gave the Bills two big seasons) and trading for Diggs. Because you don't mean Emmanuel Sanders being talked out of retirement to be the #2 in 2021, Jamison Crowder, Deonty Harty, Trent Sherfield, Curtis Samuel, Mack Hollins?

 

Maybe you think Ray Ray McCloud (6th), Austin Proehl (7th), Gabe Davis (4th), Isaiah Hodgins (6th), Marquez Stevenson (6th), Khalil Shakir (5th), Justin Shorter (5th), Keon Coleman (2nd) represents significant investment?

 

I don't think there is much evidence that the Bills FO views getting WRs for Allen as the path to victory. I think most of these Playoff games Allen goes in there struggling to make plays mostly because he has mediocre weapons. He generally has played really well, but he has to overcome a leaky defense, and being out-athleted. 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoTier]

28 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

 I never said the defense needs help cause they definitely do. My ideal off season is trade of DK Metcalfe, sign on of the top DL in FA, sign one of the top CB and safety's in FA. Structure their contacts with to push the cap hit down the road. Try to win a Super Bowl this season. 

 

 

 

The problem is that I don't think signing three top tier vets is really possible because those two of those positions, WR and DL, are among the highest priced.  Top CBs are another pricey group with safeties being lower but still more than some other positions.   Other than pass rusher, I think that what positions the Bills target in FA will depend upon how they feel about Cooper and Samuel and their ability to return to form after injuries derailed their 2024 seasons, and how they feel about Bishop's ability to play SS.

 

[corta765]

18 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This must have been a long simmering anger over the last 6 weeks. 

Serenity now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jrb1979]

6 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The problem is that I don't think signing three top tier vets is really possible because those two of those positions, WR and DL, are among the highest priced.  Top CBs are another pricey group with safeties being lower but still more than some other positions.   Other than pass rusher, I think that what positions the Bills target in FA will depend upon how they feel about Cooper and Samuel and their ability to return to form after injuries derailed their 2024 seasons, and how they feel about Bishop's ability to play SS.

 

I agree if the plan is keep the cap workable for the future seasons. The way so do it is restructure guys and add void years like the Eagles did.  If that means a few seasons from now the Bills are back to a mid tier team having to win out of make the playoffs so be it. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Thanks OP.  Title of this thread guarantees that Buffalo won't win the SB because you took the Lord's name in vain.  

 

Should we still watch, you know…..just in case? 

 

We all need some forgiveness! 

[Steptide]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

Brandon Beane said culture fit means a lot to them. They aren’t going to change. 

They can still have the same culture. Not saying to go get some trouble makers and thugs, just get some proven play makers that will make an immediate impact. Seriously zgo get myles garret AND max Crosby. Find a way to do it. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

I would argue that if the weather had not turned to crap in the NFC Divisional game, the Rams had a pretty darn good shot at knocking the Eagles out. Didn't Rams have the ball with a chance to win it on the final drive? 

 

Could the Bills have beaten the Eagles, maybe not, but I certainly don't think it was a foregone conclusion that Bills would have lost.

[T master]

Firsts God doesn't like it when you take his name in vain, it amazes me that the moderators won't allow some words in replies to show up & cover them with stars  but will allow that cussing in a title go figure !!

 

 32 to 29 - The Chiefs didn't exactly throttle the Bills in the AFCCG ! Although I do think if the Bills would have made if to the SB it would have been a better game but the Bills would have lost the Eagles were just to strong all the way around .

 

I think after this draft and with the Eagles possibly losing some of their top payers to FA this off season that the Bills will only get better and their chance to go all the way will be better this year than last . 

Edited Saturday at 02:09 PM by T master