Goddammit, I'm sick of excuses

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I blame McDermott for this !!!

It’s either McDermott, Beane, or Allen. McDermott is the easy choice for now. Beane will have a target next. Then Josh Allen will be the focus after.

 

Something will give. There’s no way the Bills continue on this same path. Win the division , win a playoff game or two, then lose.

 

They will fall back or clear that hurdle at some point.

Edited Friday at 01:00 PM by Buffalo_Stampede

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Hermes said:

Year after year, fans of this team are subjected to, the consistent rhetoric, that this year's iteration was 'good enough' save for a few calls here or there.

 

Too bad, so sad; they weren't! 

 

The Eagles absolutely throttled the team that spanked the Bills in the AFCCG. No one here, can tell me, that the Bills had an honest to god chance against the Eagles. That team was primed for a run to the superbowl regardless of anything that stood before them..

 

It wasn't just Barkley, or Hurts, or Brown, or Sweat, or Braun or anyone else. It was all of these guys punching above their weight. Collectively that team wanted it more than anyone else. That'd what makes the difference. Every single player giving the absolute max they can, to get the job done. 

 

What do the Bills have?

 

The Bills have Allen and that's about it. He's been great, but when hes the only one thats not enough to seal the deal.  Whether it's the players around him, the coaches calling the plays, or mistakes he's made himself. There have been multiple opportunities to lead the team to greatness and they've all failed at that. Its the only thing holding this team back, it's not just Allen, or the weapons, or the defense, or the coaches, it's all of them. 

 

But at the end of the day..

 

It doesn't matter who does what.

 

What matters is team success (i.e. winning a superbowl). And that means players being selfless and giving everything they've got. It means coaches pulling plays out of their asses to stop a crucial 4th down. IT MEANS BEING THE BEST OF THE BEST REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCE.

 

How many times have we all seen the Bills get 'close enough' only to fall flat on their face?  The fact of the matter is.... that it's too many...

 

I, for one, am ready for the Bills to step up and win one for themselves and for the fans. It's time to stop being a team of wussies and being a team of men who get ***** done.

 

Let's go Buffalo!

 

 

So your evidence that they weren't good enough, to win it is ... that other games went differently? That you think that the Bills only have Allen though that's obviously just wrong, we've had had All-Pros on this team within the last couple of years, and anyone who thinks that this o-line wasn't sensational and a huge reason for the offense's great showing is simply not seeing what's on the screen in front of them. You got nothing. That's not your fault, there is nothing to have.

 

The Eagles did win easily. A crap-ton of that appears to have been that Mahomes just had a crappy day, even when he wasn't under pressure, even early in the game before they'd shown they could get to him. The Eagles had their best game of the year and the Chiefs had their worst.

 

Fact is that the Eagles beat the Chiefs. Know who else did this year? The Bills beat the Chiefs too this year.

 

The Ravens beat us 35-10 this year. Does that mean they're a better team? Oh, wait we beat them in the playoffs. This stuff happens. It doesn't prove anything but who's better on the day.

 

The Bills aren't a team of wussies. If you think they are, I'm sure there's a lot of room left on the Eagles bandwagon.

 

Yeah, it's frustrating as hell. But we were good enough to win. We didn't do it. And  yeah, I'm sure you, I and all of us want to see it happen next year.

 

 

[Augie]

Being an adult all the time can be so exhausting. Maybe a little rant will help. 🤷‍♂️

[MJS]

Ok... well, your rage doesn't change anything.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Hermes said:

This is exactly what I want to hear, a well thought out response defending your position.

 

The crux of the matter is that the Bills have in essence only had one side of the ball play at or above expectations over the course of the last 5 post season runs. They've been close enough to sniff the big game but there's very few players making a true impact in the biggest moments. 

 

 

 

 

Again, this simply isn't true. If you want to argue that it is true, you'd have to say that it's equally true of the Chiefs.

 

The defense has been terrific in the playoffs ... except against the Chiefs.

 

That's the way it goes sometimes when you're up against sensational offenses.

 

Proof? Against one particular offense that they've played four times in the playoffs the Chiefs D has been pretty crappy. Allowed more than 30 points a game against that one offense they saw four times ... the Allen-led Bills, of course.

 

I guess that means the Chiefs D has only had one side of the ball play at or above expectations in their worst games in the playoffs too.

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

Being an adult all the time can be so exhausting. Maybe a little rant will help. 🤷‍♂️

 

 

Damn, this is what I should have said.

[MikePJ76]

Where's Willy Wonka when you need him.

 

I want, I demand....

 

Ooompa Loompa.

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, DaVinci said:

Howie Roseman built a winning roster and the coach didn't blow it .

True. The crazy thing is - Andy Reid blew the SB this year. His game plan against Philly’s quarters coverage was absolute trash. It was what Philly primarily ran all season so it shouldn’t have been a surprise to see it. Yet it took him a whole 30 minutes of getting destroyed to adjust. Game was over by then. 

[Goin Breakdown]

3 hours ago, Hermes said:

This is exactly what I want to hear, a well thought out response defending your position.

 

The crux of the matter is that the Bills have in essence only had one side of the ball play at or above expectations over the course of the last 5 post season runs. They've been close enough to sniff the big game but there's very few players making a true impact in the biggest moments. 

 

The reason Brady has so many rings is that he would stop at nothing to go out and win games.

 

It's not just guys not giving it there all out there. It's guys getting punched in the face and just taking it. It's about guys clawing and fighting every single play on the other side even if it borders on dirty play.Nobody is going to care how you get there only that you do.

 

I think it stems from McDermott overarching philosophy of being the upstanding team in most instances. He doesn't preach by any means necessary, which is exactly what it takes on any given play and every Sunday.

 

The Bills need everyone in the building to be a killer. Someone who's going to go out and win their rep no matter what.  Someone who's going to put it all on the line when the chips are down, as it stands there's only a small handful of those guys playing for the Bills.

 

Sure the Eagles have a great roster and tons of talent, but at the end of the day that talent stepped up and played even better than they had before. The had guys who were rookies or overlooked by other teams come in and make plays. They made it easy for Hurts to be MVP, he didn't have to be superman.

 

The Bills need to dig deep and find that dog in them or they'll forever be know as the team who couldn't close the deal.

I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying here. This is where I get torn in regards to how I feel, or perhaps indecisive (so I'm glad it's not my choice)- Coaching

 

I believe McD develops players very well, but I feel like for the most part he hasn't wanted to deviate from his philosophy. His defense struggles against good QBs and in the playoffs. This is something we all know and have seen so I'll just leave it at that. It does seem that perhaps there is a shift in scene coming in the form of a little more man vs man, so we'll see. 
 

You mentioned about being upstanding. That got me thinking about Bill Belicheck and then got me thinking about 13 seconds. Bills was/ is a master at finding loopholes. I so wished that McD would have told one of our DBs to get physical or hold (at the LOS) on one of the first plays with 13 seconds left. Run a little clock and see what KC was doing. Idk maybe that's not a great plan but neither was lining up giving 10 yard cushions all the time. 
 

basically I'm just glad it's not up to me but I do think most of the issues Buffalo has have to do with philosophy and in game decisions. And then sprinkle in some bad contracts (Von) and draft misses (Elam, and I really think Coleman is going to end up in the same category. Hope I'm wrong though).  

[BarleyNY]

11 hours ago, Hermes said:

Year after year, fans of this team are subjected to, the consistent rhetoric, that this year's iteration was 'good enough' save for a few calls here or there.

 

Too bad, so sad; they weren't! 

 

The Eagles absolutely throttled the team that spanked the Bills in the AFCCG. No one here, can tell me, that the Bills had an honest to god chance against the Eagles. That team was primed for a run to the superbowl regardless of anything that stood before them..

 

It wasn't just Barkley, or Hurts, or Brown, or Sweat, or Braun or anyone else. It was all of these guys punching above their weight. Collectively that team wanted it more than anyone else. That'd what makes the difference. Every single player giving the absolute max they can, to get the job done. 

 

What do the Bills have?

 

The Bills have Allen and that's about it. He's been great, but when hes the only one thats not enough to seal the deal.  Whether it's the players around him, the coaches calling the plays, or mistakes he's made himself. There have been multiple opportunities to lead the team to greatness and they've all failed at that. Its the only thing holding this team back, it's not just Allen, or the weapons, or the defense, or the coaches, it's all of them. 

 

But at the end of the day..

 

It doesn't matter who does what.

 

What matters is team success (i.e. winning a superbowl). And that means players being selfless and giving everything they've got. It means coaches pulling plays out of their asses to stop a crucial 4th down. IT MEANS BEING THE BEST OF THE BEST REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCE.

 

How many times have we all seen the Bills get 'close enough' only to fall flat on their face?  The fact of the matter is.... that it's too many...

 

I, for one, am ready for the Bills to step up and win one for themselves and for the fans. It's time to stop being a team of wussies and being a team of men who get ***** done.

 

Let's go Buffalo!

 

Some real accountability would be a good step. “It starts with me.” doesn’t cut it. 

[Hermes]

11 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Again, this simply isn't true. If you want to argue that it is true, you'd have to say that it's equally true of the Chiefs.

 

The defense has been terrific in the playoffs ... except against the Chiefs.

 

That's the way it goes sometimes when you're up against sensational offenses.

 

Proof? Against one particular offense that they've played four times in the playoffs the Chiefs D has been pretty crappy. Allowed more than 30 points a game against that one offense they saw four times ... the Allen-led Bills, of course.

 

I guess that means the Chiefs D has only had one side of the ball play at or above expectations in their worst games in the playoffs too.

 

 

Damn, this is what I should have said.

Hahahah this is great!

 

The Bills would have won a superbowl if they were a 'nastier' team.

 

They haven't had the collective balls to win the big game. If you look at all the teams in the playoffs and the superbowl the majority of those teams have players that go out and attack the opposition.

 

At the point of contact are those teams giving or receiving the hits? When I watch the Bills they are receiving those on a fairly consistent basis. It's why Hamlin died one the field. Instead of attacking Higgins, he stood there and let Higgins 'Tee' off on him.

 

The Bills have and have had the talent to win it all, but their mentality is lacking. When push comes to shoves how many Bills players are out physicalicating their counter parts? Not many. It's so demoralizing for any player out there to give it your all and beat your man only to have one of your teammates let you down and get their ass beat.

 

They need to go out there with bad intention and make the other team go into the locker room and think 'oh crap we have a whole another half of that.' It's something the entire team needs because one player isn't enough when push comes to shove

[Hermes]

9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Some real accountability would be a good step. “It starts with me.” doesn’t cut it. 

Exactly. You have to ruffle the feathers sometimes and make people uncomfortable and upset. It may happen behind closed doors, but at the end of the day as a coach you can't be afraid to say 'if this guy played better we would've won'

[ddaryl]

I Understand the frustration, and hope we can correct it

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, Hermes said:

Exactly. You have to ruffle the feathers sometimes and make people uncomfortable and upset. It may happen behind closed doors, but at the end of the day as a coach you can't be afraid to say 'if this guy played better we would've won'

Very true. But that only works long term if people take accountability for their own mistakes. Realizing that they’ve made mistakes is step one. Owning them is step 2. 

[Hermes]

13 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Very true. But that only works long term if people take accountability for their own mistakes. Realizing that they’ve made mistakes is step one. Owning them is step 2. 

Isn't that what part of McDermott's process is though. Providing a 'safe' space for these men to make these mistakes and then learn and grow from them. Adding to the fact that the team predominantly drafts high character players and leaders, it doesn't seem like it would be an issue. Yet it somehow is. 

 

-I might be talking myself off of McDermott here if I'm being honest

Edited Friday at 02:12 PM by Hermes

[BarleyNY]

6 minutes ago, Hermes said:

Isn't that what part of McDermott's process is though. Providing a 'safe' space for these men to make these mistakes and then learn and grow from them. Adding to the fact that the team predominantly drafts high character players and leaders, it doesn't seem like it would be an issue. Yet it somehow is. 

 

-I might be talking myself off of McDermott here if I'm being honest

 

The two biggest examples are McDermott not owning his mistakes publicly or privately and players like Diggs who seem(ed) exempt from being held accountable. You can’t have a tiered system. FWIW I don’t think McDermott even realizes that most of the mistakes he’s made in big moments of the biggest games were mistakes. 

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s either McDermott, Beane, or Allen. McDermott is the easy choice for now. Beane will have a target next. Then Josh Allen will be the focus after.

 

Something will give. There’s no way the Bills continue on this same path. Win the division , win a playoff game or two, then lose.

 

They will fall back or clear that hurdle at some point.

The Bills will undoubtedly continue on this course until Beane and McDermott are fired or Josh requests a trade. Last offseason was terrible; the free agent and draft classes were complete busts, with the exceptions of Hollins and Davis. Unless we find a way to score over 40 points in every playoff game, nothing is going to change, and the defense certainly isn't going to improve.

[I'm Spartacus]

Hermes, I know what will make you feel better about watching the Bills......start watching the Sabres.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

The Bills will undoubtedly continue on this course until Beane and McDermott are fired or Josh requests a trade. Last offseason was terrible; the free agent and draft classes were complete busts, with the exceptions of Hollins and Davis. Unless we find a way to score over 40 points in every playoff game, nothing is going to change, and the defense certainly isn't going to improve.

 

And yet, we were 3 points and a few questionable calls from the Super Bowl. I hope we can suck much like that next year, with a couple things going our way for a change. 

 

I’m glad I don’t let this stuff make me miserable. 

[BarleyNY]

6 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Hermes, I know what will make you feel better about watching the Bills......start watching the Sabres.

[bmur66]

The Bills did not rate their head coach very favorably on the NFLPA survey. Actually rated as one of the lowest which tells me the players don’t like him for whatever reason.