Starting this year, I want to see Josh Allen's completion % Go up, Way up.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

You must have lost your mind...Allen has produced in the clutch far more than hasn't.

I’m specifically to postseason. Recent postseasons. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

I’m specifically to postseason. Recent postseasons. 

 

So he is a half second from a TD to Shakir to take the lead when Dawkins gets shoved into his left shoulder and Bass misses a very makeable FG 2 years ago...and this year he still gave Kincaid a pretty decent chance to come down a ball on a play he had no business even getting off with the jailbreak that happened as the Bills blocked nobody on the play...

 

I'm not saying everything is perfect, but even in these situations other players share quite a bit of the "blame" if we are doing that.

[DrBob806]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So he is a half second from a TD to Shakir to take the lead when Dawkins gets shoved into his left shoulder and Bass misses a very makeable FG 2 years ago...

 

 

Wide open in the end zone, incomplete. That's what I saw, & it sucked. 

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

Wide open in the end zone, incomplete. That's what I saw, & it sucked. 

 

Yes...because Chris Jones, our arch nemesis, shoved Dawkins directly into Allen's left shoulder causing his throwing motion to get truncated as he stepped to throw and forcing his arm down quicker that it normally would have.  Half second and it's a wide open TD. Physics can be a b***h sometimes...

Edited February 28 by Big Turk

[JGMcD2]

21 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So he is a half second from a TD to Shakir to take the lead when Dawkins gets shoved into his left shoulder and Bass misses a very makeable FG 2 years ago...and this year he still gave Kincaid a pretty decent chance to come down a ball on a play he had no business even getting off with the jailbreak that happened as the Bills blocked nobody on the play...

 

I'm not saying everything is perfect, but even in these situations other players share quite a bit of the "blame" if we are doing that.

Tom Brady is considered clutch because:

• Adam Vinatieri made 3 Field Goals
• Pete Carroll called a pass instead of a run
• Julian Edelman made an inexplicable grab after Kyle Shannahan had a meltdown play calling
• The Rams scored 3 points
• The Chiefs offensive line was absolutely man handled

 

Josh is not considered clutch because:

• 13 seconds
• Bass missing a FG
• Kincaid dropping the ball on a play where no other QB even gets a throw off. 

 

Narratives are interesting... 

Edited February 28 by JGMcD2

[Gugny]

24 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So he is a half second from a TD to Shakir to take the lead when Dawkins gets shoved into his left shoulder and Bass misses a very makeable FG 2 years ago...and this year he still gave Kincaid a pretty decent chance to come down a ball on a play he had no business even getting off with the jailbreak that happened as the Bills blocked nobody on the play...

 

I'm not saying everything is perfect, but even in these situations other players share quite a bit of the "blame" if we are doing that.

I don’t expect many to agree with me and I’m sure most people realize that I couldn’t give a rat’s ass. 
 

He’s not clutch. 
 

In fact, he caves in big moments. 
 

It’s a glaring weakness and it’s A … not THE … big reason we haven’t been able to get to the Super Bowl AND a big reason we’ve only been able to get to the AFCCG twice. 
 

I’m just telling you how I see it.  I’m not asking anyone to agree with me. 

[Big Turk]

22 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Tom Brady is considered clutch because:

• Adam Vinatieri made 3 Field Goals
• Pete Carroll called a pass instead of a run
• Julian Edelman made an inexplicable grab after Kyle Shannahan had a meltdown play calling
• The Rams scored 3 points
• The Chiefs offensive line was absolutely man handled

 

Josh is not considered clutch because:

• 13 seconds
• Bass missing a FG
• Kincaid dropping the ball on a play where no other QB even gets a throw off. 

 

Narratives are interesting... 

 

Add in Tuck Rule for Brady.

14 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I don’t expect many to agree with me and I’m sure most people realize that I couldn’t give a rat’s ass. 
 

He’s not clutch. 
 

In fact, he caves in big moments. 
 

It’s a glaring weakness and it’s A … not THE … big reason we haven’t been able to get to the Super Bowl AND a big reason we’ve only been able to get to the AFCCG twice. 
 

I’m just telling you how I see it.  I’m not asking anyone to agree with me. 

 

That's fine that you see it that way but you are simply wrong.

[billsfan89]

25 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Tom Brady is considered clutch because:

• Adam Vinatieri made 3 Field Goals
• Pete Carroll called a pass instead of a run
• Julian Edelman made an inexplicable grab after Kyle Shannahan had a meltdown play calling
• The Rams scored 3 points
• The Chiefs offensive line was absolutely man handled

 

Josh is not considered clutch because:

• 13 seconds
• Bass missing a FG
• Kincaid dropping the ball on a play where no other QB even gets a throw off. 

 

Narratives are interesting... 

 

Tim Duncan said it best, it takes a lot of luck to win a championship. There are so many things that have to break your way for a long title run to happen. 

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Add in Tuck Rule for Brady.

 

That's fine that you see it that way but you are simply wrong.

I’m not wrong.  You’re a homer. 

[Big Turk]

42 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I’m not wrong.  You’re a homer. 

 

I've watched Allen comeback time after time only for his defense to fail him in the end.  Hard to not be clutch when you score twice in the last 2 minutes to take the lead in a game only to watch your defense mail it in both times. Same in the Hail Murray game and the NE game they lost 2 years ago.

 

Allen has 21 game winning drives in his career, which ranks 11th among active QBs. However this list not surprisingly is dominated by QBs that are in their mid-late 30s and early 40s, such as Stafford, Carr, Rodgers, Wilson, Dalton, Cousins, Flacco and Tannehill. The only 2 QBs that are in the same age range as Allen for this are Mahomes and Prescott who both have 23, meaning Allen is 2 short of them.

 

Considering Allen has far fewer opportunities than these other players because the Bills blowout teams so often, his percentage of game winning drives to opportunities has to be pretty damn high, maybe higher than anyone other than Mahomes.  This refutes your notion of him not being clutch.

Edited Friday at 05:06 PM by Big Turk

[Buffalo4Life01]

43 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Add in Tuck Rule for Brady.

 

That's fine that you see it that way but you are simply wrong.

Also add in the Panther's kicking the ball out of bounds which gave the Patriots great field position...

[Gugny]

22 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I've watched Allen comeback time after time only for his defense to fail him in the end.  Hard to not be clutch when you score twice in the last 2 minutes to take the lead in a game only to watch your defense mail it in both times. Same in the Hail Murray game and the NE game they lost 2 years ago.

 

Allen has 21 game winning drives in his career, which ranks 11th among active QBs. However this list not surprisingly is dominated by QBs that are in their mid-late 30s and early 40s, such as Stafford, Carr, Rodgers, Wilson, Dalton, Cousins, Flacco and Tannehill. The only 2 QBs that are in the same age range as Allen for this are Mahomes and Prescott who both have 23, meaning Allen is 2 short of them.

 

Considering Allen has far fewer opportunities than these other players because the Bills blowout teams so often, his percentage of game winning drives to opportunities has to be pretty damn high, maybe higher than anyone other than Mahomes.

Again. I’m strictly and specifically and exclusively referring to post season. 
 

While Josh’s post-season stats and performances have generally been fantastic, he has only been great when it mattered most once - and McDermott pissed that win away. 

So many like to point fingers anywhere and everywhere else. 
 

My eyes have told me that Josh is not the clutch QB we need him to be … in elimination games. 
 

[Buffalo4Life01]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Again. I’m strictly and specifically and exclusively referring to post season. 
 

While Josh’s post-season stats and performances have generally been fantastic, he has only been great when it mattered most once - and McDermott pissed that win away. 

So many like to point fingers anywhere and everywhere else. 
 

My eyes have told me that Josh is not the clutch QB we need him to be … in elimination games. 
 

How long should they/we give him to become more clutch in the playoffs before moving on and starting over?  One year?  3 years?  Now?  

[Gugny]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

How long should they/we give him to become more clutch in the playoffs before moving on and starting over?  One year?  3 years?  Now?  

Why do people say things like this?

 

Why do people think things are this black and white?

 

I don’t want to move on from Josh Allen … ever. 
 

I think he is a top 3 QB in the league and as long as he’s on the field, the Bills can beat anyone. 
 

He is … however … not immune to criticism. It’s okay. Everything will be fine. 
 

He needs to be the best QB in the league when his team needs him to be. 
 

He hasn’t been. And it’s a big reason why we keep watching the Chiefs go to Super Bowls. 
 

He’s not the only reason we keep losing in the playoffs.  But he is one reason. 

That’s not an unfair assessment. 

 

[Jauronimo]

I'd like to see his winning % improve to 100%, if we are focusing on stats.

[WNYFAN1]

Something else to keep in mind, Allen and the offense REALLY benefited from the defense taking the ball away this year.

 

The Bills had the best starting drive position in the league in 2024:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/#drives::9

 

 

[Buffalo4Life01]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Why do people say things like this?

 

Why do people think things are this black and white?

 

I don’t want to move on from Josh Allen … ever. 
 

I think he is a top 3 QB in the league and as long as he’s on the field, the Bills can beat anyone. 
 

He is … however … not immune to criticism. It’s okay. Everything will be fine. 
 

He needs to be the best QB in the league when his team needs him to be. 
 

He hasn’t been. And it’s a big reason why we keep watching the Chiefs go to Super Bowls. 
 

He’s not the only reason we keep losing in the playoffs.  But he is one reason. 

That’s not an unfair assessment. 

 

Your assessment is also your personal opinion.  A lot of Allen 'haters' and Allen 'homers' don't believe there is any middle ground here.  You probably think his incompletion to Shakir in the end zone was an instance of him being 'anti-clutch', or that He should have thrown a much more catchable ball under duress to Kincaid....perhaps he should have run downfield and caught his own pass?.... I DO think he could play better and that he should ALWAYS look to improve his game.  I expect that of every player on the team.  We all should.  But by and large even in the biggest moments, he has played great and to say he has not been clutch when it mattered the most, it almost seems like we are watching two different people playing QB at the same time.  It just seems that the small subset of people who post here who think Allen needs to step up more in bigger moments, they come off as expecting him to be superman and to be perfect all the time.  If he makes the slightest mistake, they instantly jump on him and criticize.  I don't understand the willingness and desire to criticize like that but maybe that's just me.  

Edited Friday at 06:58 PM by Buffalo4Life01

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

Your assessment is also your personal opinion.  A lot of Allen 'haters' and Allen 'homers' don't believe there is any middle ground here.  You probably think his incompletion to Shakir in the end zone was an instance of him being 'anti-clutch'.  I don't think that at all.  That is just my opinion.  I do think he could play better and that he should always look to improve his game.  I expect that of every player on the team.  We all should.  But by and large even in the biggest moments, he has played great and to say he has not been clutch when it mattered the most, it almost seems like we are watching two different people playing QB at the same time.  It just seems that the small subset of people who post here who think Allen needs to step up more in bigger moments, they come off as expecting him to be superman and to be perfect all the time.  If he makes the slightest mistake, they instantly jump on him and criticize.  I don't understand the willingness and desire to criticize like that but maybe that's just me.  

Allen's throw in the face of that all out KC blitz in the championship game was the definition of being clutch.  Had Kincaid caught that pass, and it was a very catchable ball, all we would have heard was what an amazing and clutch throw Allen made on 4th down to keep that drive alive.

 

And the previous season in the Divisional Playoff game while Jones caused Allen to miss the TD throw that late 4th quarter drive was also the very definition of clutch on Allen's part.  Taking up most of the 2nd half of the 4th quarter Allen drove the Bills down to easy FG range to tie the game and possibly force OT with less then 2 minutes left only to see the FG missed.

 

People who claim Allen has not been clutch in the playoffs are not only wrong but IMO are not Bills fans but trolls. 

 

 

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen's throw in the face of that all out KC blitz in the championship game was the definition of being clutch.  Had Kincaid caught that pass, and it was a very catchable ball, all we would have heard was what an amazing and clutch throw Allen made on 4th down to keep that drive alive.

 

And the previous season in the Divisional Playoff game while Jones caused Allen to miss the TD throw that late 4th quarter drive was also the very definition of clutch on Allen's part.  Taking up most of the 2nd half of the 4th quarter Allen drove the Bills down to easy FG range to tie the game and possibly force OT with less then 2 minutes left only to see the FG missed.

 

People who claim Allen has not been clutch in the playoffs are not only wrong but IMO are not Bills fans but trolls. 

 

 

In my universe, being clutch includes winning the game. 
 

And no game is decided on one play alone. 
 

That wasn’t the only drive that came up empty. 
 

EDIT:  

 

1.  All I see from you is more excuses. 
 

2. I’ve been a Bills fan since before internet trolls even existed. 
 

Just because you’re incapable of admitting that Josh Allen isn’t perfect, don’t spin it around on me. 
 

3. I love you like effin crazy. 

Edited Friday at 07:12 PM by Gugny

[SoonerBillsFan]

I would still like his completion % to go up. 😁