Rank your Top 10 Bills QBs

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Also, Bledsoe sucks. If you remove the first 8 games and look at the rest of the time, it’s Losman or EJish.

I mean how many QB’s on your list can claim to have 8 good games in a row?

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, Jamie Nails said:

Nathan Peterman

Gibran Hamden 

Billy Joe Hobert

Vince Young 
Matt Leinert 

Cardale Jones 

Thad Lewis 

Matt Simms

Jeff Tuel 

Alex Van Pelt  

I have to disagree.  It’s spelled Leinart.  

[Greg S]

Kelly

Allen

Kemp

Ferguson

 

Nobody else is worth mentioning.

[FitzShowUsYourTitz]

8 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

1 Kelly*

2-10 Allen**

 

* Got to four superbowls

** Ask again when he's retired

So using this moronic logic, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, and Jeff Hostetler would all be better QB’s then Kelly and Allen.

Love your hot take.  Keep ‘em coming

 

Edited February 28 by FitzShowUsYourTitz
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[JP51]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Hey, watch it. Dennis Shaw was my first sports hero (o.k., I was 6)

I was 4 lol 

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

Kelly

Allen

Kemp

Ferguson

 

Nobody else is worth mentioning.

Fitz?

[GunnerBill]

Disqualifying any list that includes Tyrod. Slight technicality but Quarterbacks do have to throw the football.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Breaking it down into tiers as well

 

1) Allen

2) Kelly

 

3) Kemp

4) Ferguson

 

 

 

5) Tyrod

6) Flutie

7) Bledsoe

8 Fitz

 

 

 

9) Orton

10) Reich....I had a tough time putting a backup QB on the list, but who else is there? 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

11 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

This is always the 1st thing that comes to mind when I think of Orton that stupid slide 🙅🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Shows how one play can define a legacy even if it's unfair.  It's like the lasting image of Cam Newton not trying to recover the fumble in the Super Bowl.

[BigDingus]

1. Allen

2. Kelly

3. Bledsoe

4. Kemp

5. Ferguson

6. Flutie

7. Fitz

8. Tyrod

9. Reich

10. Alex Van Pelt

 

[SoTier]

18 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

1 Kelly*

2-10 Allen**

 

* Got to four superbowls

** Ask again when he's retired

 

Kelly was in no way better than Allen.  Using Super Bowl appearances is nonsense, especially in the case of Allen and Kelly.   The Bills haven't failed to make the SB because of Allen.

 

12 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I'll bite.

1. Namath (yeah, I know, didn't really deserve the HOF, but still ... first AFL/C Super Bowl)

2. Testaverde

3. Todd

4. O'Brien

5. Pennington

6. Favre

7. Fitz

8. Sanchez

9. Boomer

10. O'Donnell

 

You could argue that other than the Top 2 (Kelly/Allen vs. Namath/Vinny), the Jets 3-10 are actually better than the Bills 3-10. Of course that doesn't matter, does it.

 

 

In defense of Namath, it was a very different era.  Actually, the top QBs back then seldom had completion percentages above 55%, and many were below that because they threw so many more "bombs".   My guess is that if Allen or Mahomes or Burrow were throwing many, sometimes most of their passes to WRs 30 or 40 yards downfield, their completion percentages would drop significantly.  Also, Weeb Eubank who coached that SB winning team, and he was probably the best HC the Jests ever had.  After he retired, the Jets sucked, especially on the OL, and Namath got beaten up pretty regularly because there were so many fewer rules protecting QBs.

 

Both O'Brien and Pennington were pretty good QBs.  I would put them both above Todd.  O'Brien was in the class of 83 with Elway, Kelly, and Marino, so he suffered in comparison -- and the fact that the Jests were barely competitive with the Bills and Dolphins.  Injuries plagued Pennington, but he got the Jests to the playoffs nearly every season that he was able to play all/most of a season.   After the Jests released him, Pennington led the Dolphins to a playoff berth before another shoulder injury ended his career.

Edited February 28 by SoTier

[I'm Spartacus]

No love for Richie Lucas? He was the first Bills quarterback I believe. 🙂

[JerseyBills]

Peterman def top 3, potentially #1, not sure on the rest

[JP51]

9 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Breaking it down into tiers as well

 

1) Allen

2) Kelly

 

3) Kemp

4) Ferguson

 

 

 

5) Tyrod

6) Flutie

7) Bledsoe

8 Fitz

 

 

 

9) Orton

10) Reich....I had a tough time putting a backup QB on the list, but who else is there? 

 

 

I did too and I actually in the moment never liked him as a backup... but I grew to like him... I put him on my list because he was probably better than the rest even from a back up role...  and then there was the Houston game... 

[BuffaloMatt]

12 hours ago, FitzShowUsYourTitz said:

So using this moronic logic, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, and Jeff Hostetler would all be better QB’s then Kelly and Allen.

Love your hot take.  Keep ‘em coming

 

Don't forget hasselback 

[billsfan89]

Just a personal ranking not too familiar with the Bills pre-Bruce/Jim/Thurman/Andre ere other than OJ played and they were an AFL powerhouse. So Rankling really is from Kelly onward. 

 

1. Josh Allen- I was young when Jim Kelly had his era so I don't have a fully realized version of watching him as I do with Allen. Josh is so fun and dynamic to watch. 
2. Jim Kelly- Any Bills fan knows Kelly is amazing. He took the Bills to 4 straight Super Bowls a feat no other QB not even Brady has done. One of his eras top QB's. 
3. Doug Flutie- One of the reasons I started following the Bills was because of Doug Flutie, such a scrappy underdog getting a chance to have a second chapter in his NFL career. Back to back 10 win seasons with a playoff birth is not a ton of success but it wasn't nothing either. 
4. Tyrod- The Bills were heavily mired in mediocrity and despair during the drought and Tyrod came in and gave the Bills competent starting caliber QB play and ended up breaking the drought. He allowed the McD era to start off with serious credibility massively overachieving in year 1 and breaking a drought. 
5. Fitz- The Bills didn't win a lot with Fitz but Fitz was a lot of fun and played well at times. He embodied the heart of the city. 
6. Bledsoe- Was the Bills first 4k passer and that 4000 yard season in 2002 kept the Bills from being on that list with the Bears for never having a 4k passer (unitl 2020 when Josh would have hit that mark) and Bledsoe's 2004 season was also solid but sadly the Bills choked in that last game against the Steelers backups so that went kaput. 

Obviously Kemp and Ferguson would also be on any top 10 list firmly above Doug Flutie in this list but below Kelly/Allen. But after that it gets a bit rough. JP Losman is top 10 in passing yards all time for the Bills. I do wonder what franchise would actually have 10 at the very least respectable QB's? 

 

For reference the Bills JP Losman's 6200 passing yards is 10th all time. In fact that's about average to above average for NFL teams. In fact if you looked up all the teams in the NFL's all time passing leaders the number 10 slot no team has a 10k passer there. Most teams number 10 passers are between 4-7k a few teams have 8-9k yard passers. The team with the highest ranked 10 passer is the 49ers who have Brock Purdy there and assuming he get a few hundred more yards passing next season he will push the 49ers to have the only all time 10th ranked passer to be over 10k yards. 

 

TLDR: Most teams don't have 10 even remotely respectable QB's in terms of career yards. 

[BuffaloMatt]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Kelly was in no way better than Allen.  Using Super Bowl appearances is nonsense, especially in the case of Allen and Kelly.   The Bills haven't failed to make the SB because of Allen.

 

 

In defense of Namath, it was a very different era.  Actually, the top QBs back then seldom had completion percentages above 55%, and many were below that because they threw so many more "bombs".   My guess is that if Allen or Mahomes or Burrow were throwing many, sometimes most of their passes to WRs 30 or 40 yards downfield, their completion percentages would drop significantly.  Also, Weeb Eubank who coached that SB winning team, and he was probably the best HC the Jests ever had.  After he retired, the Jets sucked, especially on the OL, and Namath got beaten up pretty regularly because there were so many fewer rules protecting QBs.

 

Both O'Brien and Pennington were pretty good QBs.  I would put them both above Todd.  O'Brien was in the class of 83 with Elway, Kelly, and Marino, so he suffered in comparison -- and the fact that the Jests were barely competitive with the Bills and Dolphins.  Injuries plagued Pennington, but he got the Jests to the playoffs nearly every season that he was able to play all/most of a season.   After the Jests released him, Pennington led the Dolphins to a playoff berth before another shoulder injury ended his career.

I know Bills win bc of JA. Not his fault not getting to a SB, but down 3 with possession and unable to pull it off last two years, just saying. 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

19 hours ago, Jamie Nails said:

Nathan Peterman

Gibran Hamden 

Billy Joe Hobert

Vince Young 
Matt Leinert 

Cardale Jones 

Thad Lewis 

Matt Simms

Jeff Tuel 

Alex Van Pelt  

You forgot Joe Dufek

[corta765]

20 hours ago, JP51 said:

So I hated our Superbowl defenses... but in their defense... No Huddle gave the other team 3 to 4 more shots at the ball a game...  

This is the discussion I was looking for... maybe it should have been who is the best qb Kelly or Allen... my argument for Allen is... Kelly, Reed, Lofton, and Thomas... Give Allen 3 Hall of Famers... but... chicken and egg... except Lofton... are Reed and Thomas HOF without Kelly...  I dunno... its a great debate for sure.... 

It is a tough debate. I broke this down on a different chat comparing Steelers with Bradshaw Ben vs Kelly & Allen.

 

The separated right now that has Kelly ahead is the SBs and the fact in 25 he drove the team in position for win. When he retired he was top 5 or 10 in nearly every passing stat and he was one of the top 3-4 guys in his era. Allen matches Kelly in nearly all of that and has an MVP, but SB isn't here yet.

One thing older QBs I give more credit to was the physicality in the game and hits QBs had to take. Today's QBs are so much more protected which allows for better play on longevity. That is no fault to Allen that he is maxing out what he is doing in the rules, but Kelly was tough as nails in a time QBs got pummeled.

 

Right now Kelly is still tops by a little which seems perfectly ok to say as the dude is a HOF, All Pro, and was the franchise standard. I fully expect Josh to pass him by the end of his career and be the GOAT for Bills QBs.

19 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Trying making this list for the Jets…

 

Chad Pennington is without a doubt the best since Namath. That shoulder injury ruined a promising career. Otherwise is Vinny T the best after that... yikes haha

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Disqualifying any list that includes Tyrod. Slight technicality but Quarterbacks do have to throw the football.

But what about Brian Brohm lol

[bigK14094]

HIs rookie year, Dennis Shaw as Bills QB was Offensive Rookie of the year in the AFL.(noodle arm)  His career flamed out after that, but he did have one good year.  Worth an asterick mention on the list.

Just now, bigK14094 said:

HIs rookie year, Dennis Shaw as Bills QB was Offensive Rookie of the year in the AFL.(noodle arm)  His career flamed out after that, but he did have one good year.  Worth an asterick mention on the list.

Of course, being my age, there are not many of us left on this board that recall him.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

I know Bills win bc of JA. Not his fault not getting to a SB, but down 3 with possession and unable to pull it off last two years, just saying. 

If you have this team and the early 90’s teams had both QBs, who starts? It’s a rhetorical question. The gap from Allen to Kelly is as wide as Kelly to who is 3rd.