H2o Posted March 4 Posted March 4 On 3/3/2025 at 5:43 AM, Kirby Jackson said: Wasn’t sure where to put this but think it’s important. For those of you that bet the draft it may also be helpful: I mean, Cam Ward is a pretty good prospect. I watched him make some fantastic throws this year, both on and off script. I don't know how he would fit into Daboll's offense, but he can throw the football and has good arm strength. I, personally, can't see Golden going before McMillan or Burden. But, stranger things have happened. Imo, it would just push the two better WR's down the board. I have always thought Sanders was more a product of the hype machine than he was the actual #1 QB prospect. Like others have said, it's a bad year to need a QB. You have Ward and Sanders in the 1st, Jaxson Dart as a 2nd rounder, Ewers as a 2nd or early 3rd, then everyone else is just late round flier material imo. And no, I'm not a fan of Milroe in the slightest. Quote
ganesh Posted March 4 Posted March 4 On 2/27/2025 at 9:06 AM, billsfan89 said: Bills have more pressing defensive needs. The Bills only major need on offense is WR, could be they have a plan at WR in place and are going heavy on defense in the draft. There are plenty WRs available in the FA market.... Amari, Williams, Hopkins... some are going to be available via trade like Kupp, Sutton, Pickens, Adams etc.. Quote
Chandler#81 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 On 3/1/2025 at 6:51 PM, SoonerBillsFan said: So we are drafting someone in the 2nd round that we talked to at the combine? No. As someone said, we’ve only Drafted Coleman & Torrence from players we met at the combine. What’s way more important is WHERE we Draft. Most likely other players who we met at Indy, signed somewhere else. Quote
DJB Posted March 4 Posted March 4 https://nflvisits.com Pretty awesome website with a tracker and team specific list. 1 3 Quote
Mikie2times Posted March 4 Posted March 4 On 3/3/2025 at 12:33 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Am I the only one that thinks Cam Ward is being vastly over-rated? This QB class feels like 2013 all over again, but I guess the difference is the teams at the top are more in need of a QB than they were in 2013? A kid who is turnover prone in college. Built his reputation in the Pac 10 and ACC. I don't like either of the top QB's to be honest. 2 Quote
wppete Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DJB said: https://nflvisits.com Pretty awesome website with a tracker and team specific list. Excellent website! Thanks for sharing. Edited March 4 by wppete 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4 Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Mikie2times said: A kid who is turnover prone in college. Built his reputation in the Pac 10 and ACC. I don't like either of the top QB's to be honest. I'll say Sanders is at least an interesting storyline to watch. Especially if he goes to Vegas or even the Giants. 1 Quote
DJB Posted March 4 Posted March 4 1 hour ago, wppete said: Excellent website! Thanks for sharing. I also quite like the sort by player feature. Gives an indication on which teams the interested in said player 1 Quote
wppete Posted March 4 Posted March 4 12 minutes ago, DJB said: I also quite like the sort by player feature. Gives an indication on which teams the interested in said player Hope they have a list about official visits to Bills facilities. Those always seem to be telling. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mikie2times said: A kid who is turnover prone in college. Built his reputation in the Pac 10 and ACC. I don't like either of the top QB's to be honest. I mean Josh Allen had 21 interceptions in two seasons at Wyoming... Cam ward has 23 playing three full seasons Ward Just averaged over 10 yards an attempt with 37 touchdowns and seven picks I mean he certainly isn't a sure thing but I wouldn't call that turnover prone.. when he is the only reason Miami was as good as they were This is not 2001 Miami hurricanes anymore I would take him way before Sanders Edited March 4 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I mean Josh Allen had 21 interceptions in two seasons at Wyoming... Cam ward has 23 playing three full seasons Ward Just averaged over 10 yards an attempt with 37 touchdowns and seven picks I mean he certainly isn't a sure thing but I wouldn't call that turnover prone.. when he is the only reason Miami was as good as they were This is not 2001 Miami hurricanes anymore I watched him plenty of times. Very poor decision making. Comparing to Allen really isn't close and was Miami any good or was the ACC just that awful? Edited March 4 by Mikie2times Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: I watched him plenty of times. Very poor decision making. Comparing to Allen really isn't close and was Miami any good or was the ACC just that awful? Not comparing him to Josh Allen the player.. you called him turnover prone and I literally showed our own quarterback in college threw more interceptions per game And Miami is not that great that's my point.. they are a slightly above average power 4 team now... Cam ward had himself on the Heisman podium and Miami almost in the college playoffs That's not a Miami team with 15 NFL players.. it was cam Ward carrying the hurricanes There's very very very few quarterbacks who are can't miss anymore.. Jaden Daniels last year could have busted.. he was not some surefire quarterback I would take cam Ward over shador Sanders Edited March 4 by Buffalo716 Quote
Mikie2times Posted March 4 Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Not comparing him to Josh Allen the player.. you called him turnover prone and I literally showed our own quarterback in college threw more interceptions per game And Miami is not that great that's my point.. they are a slightly above average power 4 team now... Cam ward had himself on the Heisman podium and Miami almost in the college playoffs That's not a Miami team with 15 NFL players.. it was cam Ward carrying the hurricanes There's very very very few quarterbacks who are can't miss anymore.. Jaden Daniels last year could have busted.. he was not some surefire quarterback I would take cam Ward over shador Sanders He is turnover prone, bad decision prone, if you show me 100 QB's with more INT's per game it will not replace the fact that he is turnover prone and bas decision prone. The entire hype train that was Miami football was a complete sham. Ward beat up on paper tigers until they eventually lost 3 of 4 to end the year. Who was the best defense he faced all year last season? Duke? What a joke. They should have lost to downright average ACC teams in VT and CAL which would have put the Miami where it belonged, which is nowhere. His Heisman campaign just like the Hurricanes was sham. It fell apart when people saw it for what it was. He will be a bust, you don't seem to agree. Got it. Also not a huge fan of Sanders so I'm not that high on either one. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: He is turnover prone, bad decision prone, if you show me 100 QB's with more INT's per game it will not replace the fact that he is turnover prone and bas decision prone. The entire hype train that was Miami football was a complete sham. Ward beat up on paper tigers until they eventually lost 3 of 4 to end the year. Who was the best defense he faced all year last season? Duke? What a joke. They should have lost to downright average ACC teams in VT and CAL which would have put the Miami where it belonged, which is nowhere. His Heisman campaign just like the Hurricanes was sham. It fell apart when people saw it for what it was. He will be a bust, you don't seem to agree. Got it. Also not a huge fan of Sanders so I'm not that high on either one. I don't think you like a lot of players lol Every single player in the draft can bust.. every single player has talent.. from the very first pick to the very last, that's a fact Cam Ward is a really talented football player that doesn't mean he's going to be good in the pros.. but he can be There's a reason why he's basically the consensus top quarterback in the draft.. to be the top amateur person at your position is hard to do He's basically on the same level of prospect as drake maye.. and this board thinks Drake Maye is good for New England I'm not talking the style I'm talking the talent level.. the ability to throw a football and play on or off script... He also comes from a Washington state offense that produced gardener minshaw who is a NFL veteran.. and ward definitely has more talent I mean I'm not saying the kid is going to be a stud in the NFL but playing in the pac-12 or ACC is not the reason he will or won't be good.. those are or were major FBS conferences I don't care if you play in the MAC ... It's FBS football Edited March 4 by Buffalo716 Quote
Mikie2times Posted March 4 Posted March 4 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I don't think you like a lot of players lol Every single player in the draft can bust.. every single player has talent.. from the very first pick to the very last, that's a fact Cam Ward is a really talented football player that doesn't mean he's going to be good in the pros.. but he can be There's a reason why he's basically the consensus top quarterback in the draft.. to be the top amateur person at your position is hard to do He's basically on the same level of prospect as drake maye.. and this board thinks Drake May is good for New England I'm not talking the style I'm talking the talent level they're basically on the same level and Drake maye turn over prone Well clearly everybody can bust. I like plenty of players, but I don't like either of these. I put $500 in the offseason on Daniels winning ROY. So that's what we do, we guess who we think will or won't work out. Sometimes we bet, sometimes we talk on here. I do not think these two will work out. If they do we can come back to this and I will eat my pie. I think Ward is in major bust territory. We will see. Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 4 Posted March 4 5 hours ago, H2o said: I mean, Cam Ward is a pretty good prospect. I watched him make some fantastic throws this year, both on and off script. I don't know how he would fit into Daboll's offense, but he can throw the football and has good arm strength. I, personally, can't see Golden going before McMillan or Burden. But, stranger things have happened. Imo, it would just push the two better WR's down the board. I have always thought Sanders was more a product of the hype machine than he was the actual #1 QB prospect. Like others have said, it's a bad year to need a QB. You have Ward and Sanders in the 1st, Jaxson Dart as a 2nd rounder, Ewers as a 2nd or early 3rd, then everyone else is just late round flier material imo. And no, I'm not a fan of Milroe in the slightest. Burden is overrated. I'd take Golden and Egbuka before him. Burden isn't even someone I'd consider must pick for the Bills at #30. I personally think Tet shoukd be clear WR1, but others are lower and that brings others into play. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Well clearly everybody can bust. I like plenty of players, but I don't like either of these. I put $500 in the offseason on Daniels winning ROY. So that's what we do, we guess who we think will or won't work out. Sometimes we bet, sometimes we talk on here. I do not think these two will work out. If they do we can come back to thidoand I will eat my pie. I think Ward is in major bust territory. We will see. I'm not saying I love either too either.. but I also wouldn't say cam Ward is going to be bad because he played in the ACC or pac-12.. those are or were major conferences FBS... Now if he was in the Patriot League FCS I would say that's weak... But ACC puts out 40 draft picks a year... Big 10 only had 42 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Burden is overrated. I'd take Golden and Egbuka before him. Burden isn't even someone I'd consider must pick for the Bills at #30. I personally think Tet shoukd be clear WR1, but others are lower and that brings others into play. If burden replicated his sophomore stats he wouldn't even leave the top 10 I don't think you'll ever get a talent of that caliber at 30 often.. a guy who was a blue chip prospect that every stage I could care less about his down year of stats because Missouri's not a powerhouse and Brady cook is nothing special Missouri is a good football team who when they have a good team can compete in the SEC.. but Brady cook isn't anything special Edited March 4 by Buffalo716 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 4 Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: If burden replicated his sophomore stats he wouldn't even leave the top 10 I don't think you'll ever get a talent of that caliber at 30 often.. a guy who was a blue chip prospect that every stage I could care less about his down year of stats because Missouri's not a powerhouse I just don't think what he does well is as easy a conversion to the NFL. Honestly when I watch his tape I get Laviska Shenault vibes. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I just don't think what he does well is as easy a conversion to the NFL. Honestly when I watch his tape I get Laviska Shenault vibes. Burden has a lot more savvyness and creativity in his route running Burden was the highest recruit ever in the history of Missouri tiger football.. they literally pigeon hold him into get the ball into his hands guy Because he was the best athlete and player on the team.. they didn't let him showcase his full ability ... And they don't have a quarterback who consistently can get him the ball down field... Cook is physically impressive but inconsistent He's one of those guys who's going to be a better pro than college player because he's a good fit for the NFL... Shenault, and I have receipts here.. never liked him at all, I thought he purely was a gadget guy I don't see the comparison besides how Missouri used burden.. but that's on the school not the player.. shenault that was his game I think burden has a lot more to his game that just hasn't been put on tape because Missouri limited offense and Cook didn't take another step He is a better route runner than given credit for and he can win against press or off coverage... He also plays bigger than his size , and the biggest thing he tracks the ball fluidly downfield... That's the key he tracks the football extremely well Edited March 4 by Buffalo716 2 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 4 Posted March 4 That list definitely makes me this WR is more a FA target Quote
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