If the Chiefs offered their 2nd round pick for James Cook would you make the trade?

[Mister Defense]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Here you go again, bizarre, illogical, dare I say preposterous! You’re out of order sir!  These posts are like a cartoon character. 
 

You do realize that was probably the best defensive team of that decade? Not even probably, undeniably, most certainly, undoubtedly, bla bla bla. 
 

I don’t even know why I try sometimes. 

 

Yes, thanks, a good choice there. I agree with you, preposterous is the better choice.

 

Some hope for you after all.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Doesn’t have anything to do with what was received, you don’t allow a prime SB  rival to acquire the top RB in the conference. The Giants could have franchised Saquon and traded him out of the division or conference. The Giants are a ship without a rudder.We don’t have any reason not to resign Cook. First, he has a year left on his rookie deal and Cook is much younger than Barkley and has never been injured.  The Bills want to be a run first offense to set up Josh in the pass game  type team. Cook gives them an established top 5 back. His ceiling is unlimited given his mismatch potential in the pass game coming out of the backfield. Just admit a 2nd round draft choice from KC  for Cook is foolish. You’re going to use the argument getting a great back for 15million would stop a good organization from  improving their roster? Teams redo bloated contracts to create cap space all the time. 

This is going nowhere as we obviously value running backs and James Cook differently.  No team would offer us a 2nd for Cook anyways given his contract demands so we'll pry have a year left with him.  If Cook can prove himself to be an every down running back and not be a liability in pass protection than he'll deserve top RB money.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

uhh, I think you are missing the main point...

 

Possibly need to go back and actually read the exchanges.

 

It would mean  that you and the other person in this exchange may be two of the only people in the world who believe that Marshawn Lynch was not a vital player, an essential part of those excellent Seahawk teams and in each of their two roads to the Super Bowl. 

 

You cannot possibly believe that if you watched Seahawk games those years.

 

But if you do, then that is incredibly illogical.

 

 

 

Your takes are very bad. In order to support them, you have to say clearly wrong things like, “the Seahawks had a great defense. Many teams had a great defense” in order to support your very bad takes.

 

The Seahawks defense wasn’t just great, it was historic. Marshawn Lynch was a good running back for them. He wasn’t historic. In their Super Bowl year in 2013, he wasn’t even top 5 in the league in rushing.  He wasn’t even close to the best running back that season.

 

There are probably 5 players from that Seahawks team who have better HoF cases than Marshawn.

 

You even went as far as to say “Their defense is the reason the Eagles won the Super Bowl this year.  Not Saquon Barkley.”

 

The Eagles defense made Mahomes play the worst half of football in his career, their defense outscored the Chiefs offense in the first half by themselves. Barkley at halftime had 12 carries for 31 yards. Yeah I’d say their defense is THE reason they won the Super Bowl

 

Everyone understands this. It’s incredibly logical. I think there’s 50-50 odds your replies are AI generated.

Edited yesterday at 04:53 AM by FireChans

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 2/26/2025 at 8:36 PM, Doc Brown said:

Thought I'd get a good gauge on the Cook opinions and trading with the Chiefs opinions.  They could use an upgrade at RB.

I believe the Broncos probably would want him more Sean Payton would use him like Kamara.I'll take there 3rd and 5th for him or there late 2nd. 

[Mister Defense]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

Your takes are very bad. In order to support them, you have to say clearly wrong things like, “the Seahawks had a great defense. Many teams had a great defense” in order to support your very bad takes.

 

The Seahawks defense wasn’t just great, it was historic. Marshawn Lynch was a good running back for them. He wasn’t historic. In their Super Bowl year in 2013, he wasn’t even top 5 in the league in rushing.  He wasn’t even close to the best running back that season.

 

There are probably 5 players from that Seahawks team who have better HoF cases than Marshawn.

 

You even went as far as to say “Their defense is the reason the Eagles won the Super Bowl this year.  Not Saquon Barkley.”

 

The Eagles defense made Mahomes play the worst half of football in his career, their defense outscored the Chiefs offense in the first half by themselves. Barkley at halftime had 12 carries for 31 yards. Yeah I’d say their defense is THE reason they won the Super Bowl

 

Everyone understands this. It’s incredibly logical. I think there’s 50-50 odds your replies are AI generated.

 

 

Lol 

 

I said that the Seahawks had a great defense, and that is indisputable. I think that is not an understatement.  But you say, "Marshawn Lynch was a good running back for them."   I don't think my take on their defense was wrong, or understated, but yours on Lynch!? Yikes, as no one who knows football would ever say something so understated, flippant, about Lynch's role on those teams.  No one with any sense, at least.

 

During those two Super Bowl years Lynch rushed for 2563 yards and 25 TDS.  He had 683 receiving yards and another 6 TDS.  That is 3,146 total yards and 31 TDS.  I think most, at least sentient beings, would agree that is better than good, and  a vital reason for their 2 Super Bowl appearances.

 

Your take that very likely first ballot  Hall of Famer Marshawn Lynch was not an integral part of those great teams would be rejected by almost anyone who watched Seahawk teams. Or who know anything about NFL football.  Nutty take, with just nonsense to 'back' it up, but one we have come to expect from you over the years. Almost comforting, like a worn out pair of shoes that have almost no real use, but that we slap on when we don't want to ruin the good ones.

 

If people believe your take on Lynch and his meaning to that team, then, yup, they should also believe that getting rid of Cook would not be a big deal too. And that running backs are a dime a dozen, and you can just plug almost anyone in for the same results etcetera.  Thankfully, I don't think Beane or McDermott are that dumb.

 

Like I said, the kind of decision making that caused the Bills to not make the playoffs for decades.

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Mister Defense

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

Lol  

 

I said that the Seahawks had a great defense, and that is indisputable. I think that is not an understatement.  But you say, "Marshawn Lynch was a good running back for them."   I don't think my take on their defense was wrong, or understated, but yours on Lynch!? Yikes, as no one who knows football would ever say something so understated, flippant, about Lynch's role on those teams.  No one with any sense, at least.

 

Your take that very likely first ballot  Hall of Famer Marshawn Lynch was not an integral part of those great teams would be rejected by almost anyone who watched Seahawk teams. Or who know anything about NFL football.  Nutty take, with just nonsense to 'back' it up, but one we have come to expect from you over the years. Almost comforting, like a worn out pair of shoes that have almost no real use, but that we slap on when we don't want to ruin the good ones.

 

If people believe your take on Lynch and his meaning to that team, then, yup, they should also believe that getting rid of Cook would not be a big deal too. And that running backs are a dime a dozen, and you can just plug almost anyone in for the same results etcetera.  Thankfully, I don't think Beane or McDermott are that dumb.

 

Like I said, the kind of decision making that caused the Bills to not make the playoffs for decades.

 

 

 

 

You think Marshawn Lynch is a very likely first ballot HoFer?

 

lmao.

 

He was up for nomination this year and didn’t even make it to the semi finalists. 
 

You know who did?

 

Earl Thomas.

 

Do you know what first ballot means? Do you have any bold font for your super bad takes that are just getting worse?

 

https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks-legends-marshawn-lynch-earl-thomas-among-first-year-eligible-nominees-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame

 

incredible stuff. Less wrong, less font changes, please! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Question for fantasy football people. Do you trade within your division?

 

I trade within my division or with other good players and everyone gets pissed at me. I’m not afraid to make another team better. 

[Mr. WEO]

On 2/26/2025 at 1:36 PM, Doc Brown said:

Thought I'd get a good gauge on the Cook opinions and trading with the Chiefs opinions.  They could use an upgrade at RB.

 

Cook is the upgrade at RB....

[TwoFlocksofFury]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Question for fantasy football people. Do you trade within your division?

 

I trade within my division or with other good players and everyone gets pissed at me. I’m not afraid to make another team better. 

All the time.

[Mango]

I will take a 6th round from the Jets before I send Cook to the Chiefs. 

This one is a bit less about Cooks value as it is Cooks value playing for KC against Buffalo. I would probably not taking anything less than 2 first round picks and even then that might not be enough. 

This is nothing like swapping a couple spots in the draft. 

[Prospector]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

This is going nowhere as we obviously value running backs and James Cook differently.  No team would offer us a 2nd for Cook anyways given his contract demands so we'll pry have a year left with him.  If Cook can prove himself to be an every down running back and not be a liability in pass protection than he'll deserve top RB money.

and catch open passes for easy touchdowns

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

I will take a 6th round from the Jets before I send Cook to the Chiefs. 

This one is a bit less about Cooks value as it is Cooks value playing for KC against Buffalo. I would probably not taking anything less than 2 first round picks and even then that might not be enough. 

This is nothing like swapping a couple spots in the draft. 

The amount of fear of Kansas City is a little over the top among a large portion of this fan base imo.  Just two trades and one that really hasn't even been decided who "the winner" is yet.  Even the first one we were able to parlay into T. White and Josh Allen.

Edited 12 hours ago by Doc Brown

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The amount of fear of Kansas City is a very interesting to me.  Just two trades and one that really hasn't even been decided who "the winner" is yet.  Even the first one we were able to parlay into T. White and Josh Allen.

 

KC wasn't really relevant to they extent that they are now so I do think things are different. The fact that the KC pick turned into Mahomes is unfortunate. I would go as far as to say that without Allen a year later that it would be unforgivable. Picking up a QB that turned out to be Mahomes equal is the only saving grace.

I lose zero sleep over the Worthy trade, albeit I winced a bit. But ultimately it is a couple of spots and I am not wowed by Worthy. 

I think flipping a couple picks around in the draft is a lot different than trading starting players that can have immediate impacts at a really high level is something totally different. If we are going to compare the Mahomes/Allen rivalry to Brady/Manning then you have to think that Wes Welker* to Indy or Reggie Wayne to NE was more or less off the table. This is that. 

*Welker signed in Denver as a FA

[HamptonBillsfan]

14 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

This is going nowhere as we obviously value running backs and James Cook differently.  No team would offer us a 2nd for Cook anyways given his contract demands so we'll pry have a year left with him.  If Cook can prove himself to be an every down running back and not be a liability in pass protection than he'll deserve top RB money.

Prove himself to be an every down RB? That’s how a good back gets worn down and injured. With a great 3rd down back like Johnson and a between the tackles downhill  physical Davis, Cook just needs to run for a thousand and lead the league in TDs. You don’t know what teams without a solid back would trade for a Cook after Saquon turned the Eagles around by himself and Henry did great things for a Baltimore. Great running attacks are a common thread defining winning teams. Baltimore. GB, Buffalo, Houston, Washington, KC.

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

KC wasn't really relevant to they extent that they are now so I do think things are different. The fact that the KC pick turned into Mahomes is unfortunate. I would go as far as to say that without Allen a year later that it would be unforgivable. Picking up a QB that turned out to be Mahomes equal is the only saving grace.

I lose zero sleep over the Worthy trade, albeit I winced a bit. But ultimately it is a couple of spots and I am not wowed by Worthy. 

I think flipping a couple picks around in the draft is a lot different than trading starting players that can have immediate impacts at a really high level is something totally different. If we are going to compare the Mahomes/Allen rivalry to Brady/Manning then you have to think that Wes Welker* to Indy or Reggie Wayne to NE was more or less off the table. This is that. 

*Welker signed in Denver as a FA

Welker and Wayne are WR's though but I agree with most of this.  It was the statement that you wouldn't possibly even trade Cook for two firsts that made me think your rationale went out the window.  KC would get publicly roasted even if they gave a 2nd round pick away (yet alone two firsts) for a very good but not elite RB on the last year of his rookie deal.  

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Prove himself to be an every down RB? That’s how a good back gets worn down and injured. With a great 3rd down back like Johnson and a between the tackles downhill  physical Davis, Cook just needs to run for a thousand and lead the league in TDs. You don’t know what teams without a solid back would trade for a Cook after Saquon turned the Eagles around by himself and Henry did great things for a Baltimore. Great running attacks are a common thread defining winning teams. Baltimore. GB, Buffalo, Houston, Washington, KC.

 

Cook not being able to be on the field in critical situations is a problem. He wasn't on the field at the end of the KC game for the exact reason @Doc Brown lays out. 

I am a huge Cook fan. I would like him re-signed. But $15M makes me uncomfortable. In general I hate that "the next man up" resets the market every year. When in reality no QB should be making more than the Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or Lamar tier. To @Doc Brown point, for the same reasons I don't love paying Cook Barkley money when his game is a tier below. 

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Welker and Wayne are WR's though but I agree with most of this.  It was the statement that you wouldn't possibly even trade Cook for two firsts that made me think your rationale went out the window.  KC would get publicly roasted even if they gave a 2nd round pick away (yet alone two firsts) for a very good but not elite RB on the last year of his rookie deal.  

 

Yeah, I was just trying to find guys that were awesome pieces but not "The Guy". Maybe not the greatest example. 

Right, KC would get roasted. I was just talking from a Bills-centric position. If I were Beane my starting point would be prohibitively high that is a no. Even if there were some bizarro world where the Chiefs offered a 2nd I would still turn that down. 

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Prove himself to be an every down RB? That’s how a good back gets worn down and injured. With a great 3rd down back like Johnson and a between the tackles downhill  physical Davis, Cook just needs to run for a thousand and lead the league in TDs. You don’t know what teams without a solid back would trade for a Cook after Saquon turned the Eagles around by himself and Henry did great things for a Baltimore. Great running attacks are a common thread defining winning teams. Baltimore. GB, Buffalo, Houston, Washington, KC.

Yeah.  All the guys he wants to equal in price range are every down RB's.  Kyreen Williams who is in a similar situation to Cook played in 87% snaps last year because he can pass block.  James Cook can't right now.  I'm not comfortable ditching out $15m to a guy that only played in 46% of snaps.  It's my guess to why Beane hinted at the press conference on Tuesday the value of having running backs being versatile in all areas.  To me that was a subtle reference to Cook not able to be relied upon to pass block.

[HamptonBillsfan]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Cook not being able to be on the field in critical situations is a problem. He wasn't on the field at the end of the KC game for the exact reason @Doc Brown lays out. 

I am a huge Cook fan. I would like him re-signed. But $15M makes me uncomfortable. In general I hate that "the next man up" resets the market every year. When in reality no QB should be making more than the Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or Lamar tier. To @Doc Brown point, for the same reasons I don't love paying Cook Barkley money when his game is a tier below. 

 

Yeah, I was just trying to find guys that were awesome pieces but not "The Guy". Maybe not the greatest example. 

Right, KC would get roasted. I was just talking from a Bills-centric position. If I were Beane my starting point would be prohibitively high that is a no. Even if there were some bizarro world where the Chiefs offered a 2nd I would still turn that down. 

You forget Brady was responsible for the imbecilic decision not to have Cook on the field when it counted. You also need to consider when diminishing Cook’s value, is that he’s only 25 vs 28 for Barkley. He had 140 more carries this season than Cook and has missed 2 seasons in his short career due to injury. Most backs are washed by age 33. 15 million is not Barkley money. With the cap going up RBs naturally want more. Think of paying Von Miller 25million for no production starting at age 33. Great backs want to get paid before an injury short circuits their career. Great receivers are getting mid 20s per season. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  All the guys he wants to equal in price range are every down RB's.  Kyreen Williams who is in a similar situation to Cook played in 87% snaps last year because he can pass block.  James Cook can't right now.  I'm not comfortable ditching out $15m to a guy that only played in 46% of snaps.  It's my guess to why Beane hinted at the press conference on Tuesday the value of having running backs being versatile in all areas.  To me that was a subtle reference to Cook not able to be relied upon to pass block.

Stop being a capologist and start valuing great talent. Besides Cook and Josh, who are the great players on the Bills? Oliver is a good tackle but he’s not a top ten tackle. Shakir is a good slot receiver but he is not top ten yet.  That’s it. Everyone else is either pretty good or just OK.

[Mango]

9 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

You forget Brady was responsible for the imbecilic decision not to have Cook on the field when it counted. You also need to consider when diminishing Cook’s value, is that he’s only 25 vs 28 for Barkley. He had 140 more carries this season than Cook and has missed 2 seasons in his short career due to injury. Most backs are washed by age 33. 15 million is not Barkley money. With the cap going up RBs naturally want more. Think of paying Von Miller 25million for no production starting at age 33. Great backs want to get paid before an injury short circuits their career. Great receivers are getting mid 20s per season. 

 

I don't understand what you are saying. Cook has not been a good pass blocker since college. Him not being out there on critical passing downs is because teams tend to send more pressure so we need a RB on the field who is adept at picking up the blitz. 

I fully understand why Cook is trying to get paid. I support him in his efforts. I also don't think the Bills should pay him $15M per. I think he is an $8-10M RB, but knowing that the market likes to "reset" I can feel comfortably stretching to $12M. 

WTF do you mean that $15M isn't Saquon Barkley money? Barkley signed a 3 year/$37M contract. $15M is more than Barkley gets paid, which is the entire point. 
 

I have no idea WTF you are talking about in regards to Von. His contract was a risk at his age that turned terrible with his second ACL injury. His initial restructure was stupid and didn't allow us to get out of it. This team would love to get out from under that deal. 

Piling on overvalued contracts with $3M here and $4M there is exactly how teams accidentally sink themselves. Once you pay the QB being efficient with your drafting an spending becomes paramount.