If the Chiefs offered their 2nd round pick for James Cook would you make the trade?

[Einstein]

6 hours ago, Mat68 said:

The yes votes have to be trolling.  

Truly.

I dont care if they offered a first round pick, it should be a rule in the Bills front office to NEVER trade with the Chiefs.

[BullBuchanan]

the 2nd last pick in the 2nd? No. He cost us more than that and he's in his prime. A top 10 pick in the 2nd? I'd think about it for sure.

[billsbackto81]

6 hours ago, Prospector said:

I said yes, it's better to get something rather than nothing if he leaves

Where's he going?😂

[Mister Defense]

I cannot believe there is one vote for the hypothetical trade.

 

Who would want to give away one of the best players on the team, a back with elite speed, vision, and receiving ability to your main rival, and for one 2nd round pick?  I cannot imagine any sentient adult thinking this is a good thing.

 

Someone please go back to the old Marshawn Lynch trade threads to see how many of the posters who were calling for that are now calling for this. Same twisted logic, and reasoning ability, in both cases.

 

They are likely the same people who lambast the idea of 'complimentary football', who think the running game is not vital.

 

But great to see that the vast majority of Bills' fans on here would not want such a super stupid, team undermining move.  Would go down as one of the worst moves in the history of the Bills.

 

Looking for a nice contract extension for Cook, in the 10-13 million a year range, in the coming weeks. Needed and much deserved.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 01:32 AM by Mister Defense

[Mister Defense]

5 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:

His thoughts on Cook?!?? Really. How about best player on our offense outside of Josh and that's a close one.

 

Be careful there..

 

Simple logic like that may cause some posters heads to explode.  They want nothing to do with that kind of reasoning.

 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

No…but I would trade Cook for the Giants 2nd round pick (#36)…👍

[Gunsgoodtime]

Beane automatically responded YES

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, ddaryl said:

I do not think anyone here would be ok with another KC trade. Cause if it comes to bite us in the ass we will be forced to hear about it ad nauseum

They all bite us in the ass.  They assess talent better than us so therefore they know they can fleece us everytime.  Just stop helping the one team we can't beat. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

the 2nd last pick in the 2nd? No. He cost us more than that and he's in his prime. A top 10 pick in the 2nd? I'd think about it for sure.

Why do people keep saying this? We used 63 on him. KC’s pick would be 63. I get why people wouldn’t want to do it, but it’s the same pick. 

[KingBoots8]

The chiefs can lick every unsanitary part of my body after an alcohol fueled walk to mighty taco in 90* weather. Hell no.

[TailgateChef]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

They can literally just draft a guy like Henderson from Ohio State.

 

I'd do it.  We keep losing to them because our pass rush is garbage and secondary/linebackers are made of glass.

 

Cook doesn't change any of that.

You're getting bad feedback... but I kinda like this take.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Except he’s done exactly the opposite in KC, but cool story.

This is more of a social experiment as it's never going to happen.

[Einstein]

43 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

They all bite us in the ass.  They assess talent better than us so therefore they know they can fleece us everytime.  Just stop helping the one team we can't beat. 

 

Well said.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

I cannot believe there is one vote for the hypothetical trade.

 

Who would want to give away one of the best players on the team, a back with elite speed, vision, and receiving ability to your main rival, and for one 2nd round pick?  I cannot imagine any sentient adult thinking this is a good thing.

 

Someone please go back to the old Marshawn Lynch trade threads to see how many of the posters who were calling for that are now calling for this. Same twisted logic, and reasoning ability, in both cases.

 

They are likely the same people who lambast the idea of 'complimentary football', who think the running game is not vital.

 

But great to see that the vast majority of Bills' fans on here would not want such a super stupid, team undermining move.  Would go down as one of the worst moves in the history of the Bills.

 

Looking for a nice contract extension for Cook, in the 10-13 million a year range, in the coming weeks. Needed and much deserved.

 

 

One reason we had a 17 year playoff drought is we were the only team that drafted three first round running backs over that period.  The legion of boom is the reason the Seahawks won a Super Bowl.  Not Marshawn Lynch.

[folz]

8 hours ago, Figster said:

Stretching the oppositions D out with Worthy's speed and Allens arm strength was a no brainer for me. Worthys ball tracking skills was on full display in the Superbowl. Big rookie season. On the other hand Bills 1st pick in the 2nd round had very little impact his rookie season. Elam, now Coleman. Bills GM clearly needs to do a better job. (I'm by no means giving up on Coleman.)

 

Voted hell no on trading Cook to the Chefs,

 

good grief...

 

 

Regular Season   Total Yds   TDs   Targets    Recs    Yards/Rec    Yards/Targ   Yards/Game    Long    Most yards/game   1st downs  1st down %

Xavier Worthy          638          6        98           59          10.8                 6.5               37.5              54               79                         36             61.0  

Keon Coleman         556          4        57           29           19.2                9.8               42.8              64             100                         22             75.9

 

Worthy and Coleman were 7th and 8th in rookie receiving yards. And remember, Keon played 3 games fewer than Xavier (and then was working himself back from the injury) and he also had 31 fewer targets.

 

As far as stretching the field, both Worthy and Keon had 3 receptions over 30 yards on the year. Worthy: 31, 35, and 54 yards. Coleman: 49, 57, and 64 yards. Keon had 12 receptions of 20+ yards. Xavier had 4 receptions of 20+ yards. [Again, with Keon playing three fewer games too.] Looking at those numbers and his yards/rec and yards/target, I'm not sure how well Worthy was actually stretching the field vertically (unless maybe as a decoy). Keon's yards/rec and yards/target ranked 4th and 23rd in the league respectively (of all receivers). Worthy's yards/rec and yards/target ranked 109th and 174th in the league this year.

 

Yes, Worthy had the three big receptions at the end of the Super Bowl (after Philly was already up 34-0), but he really didn't do that much in the playoffs up to that point. 

 

Look, we all wished we saw more from Keon and hoped that he'd develop down the stretch better than he did. And I think it is fair enough to say that he didn't have a big impact. But I'm not sure how people can say in the same breath that Worthy did have a BIG rookie season/did have a big impact? imo, the numbers just do not agree with the perception that there is some vast gulf between how their rookie years went (with Worthy some rising star and Keon a cross your fingers he's not a bust guy). I don't think anything definitive can be said about either guy or how they compare as of yet. It will take another season or two.

 

btw, I voted hell no on trading Cook to K.C. too.

 

Edited Thursday at 03:55 AM by folz

[RyanC883]

I wouldn't do it for their 1st round either! 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

I wouldn't do it for their 1st round either! 

Is it you really like Cook or feel burned by them in the past?  Not exactly superstitious but snake bitten.  Would you trade a 1st rounder for him with the Eagles?

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Why do people keep saying this? We used 63 on him. KC’s pick would be 63. I get why people wouldn’t want to do it, but it’s the same pick. 

They keep saying it because he has outperformed the pick and is liklely to keep doing so for at least the next two years, so why would you take lesser value and all the associated risk? It's opportunity cost.

If you bought a lottery ticket for $5 and you won $10, would you sell me the winning ticket for the original $5 just so you could maybe get a higher return? If James Cook re-entered the draft right now and everyone knew exactly what he is, he'd probably go in the top 10 picks.

Edited Thursday at 06:46 AM by BullBuchanan

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

The chiefs can lick every unsanitary part of my body after an alcohol fueled walk to mighty taco in 90* weather. Hell no.

All that licking would constitute a full meal…that’s quite generous of you…😉

[Ayjent]

The guy was left with a bad taste in his mouth playing his ass off and they didn’t give him the ball when they needed to answer the Chiefs. Hard to blame him for wanting to get paid or leave. Regardless of what he says that’s the issue and the Bills coaching deserves the blame. He’s one of very few other A+ players on this team.