Beane meets with the media (2/25)

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3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Have to remember, for years that's all we had here. It was the guys like Fred Jackson that started at Coe and worked hard to get to where he was. The spunky punter rising to the face of the media guide. Stuff like that was all we had. 

Ahhhh yes... who could forget the picture of Moorman punting from his own endzone sent to season ticket holders for their renewal and all of Bills mafia thinking "WTF is wrong with these morons, this is not something to sell a fanbase!"

 

https://deadspin.com/bills-entice-potential-ticket-buyers-with-punt-from-ow-5496097/

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

Beane is sounding more and more like a used car salesman. The whole story about wanting speed then stating football isn't played on a track field. No *****, if it were we'd be pretty screwed! 

Not sure about the used car salesman … he seems more honest than most …

 

He seems a little comfortable though …

[gonzo1105]

27 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Not sure about the used car salesman … he seems more honest than most …

 

He seems a little comfortable though …

 

I actually think he sounds a little more tense and and terse when answering the questions this go around. I think the pressure is on not from ownership but in delivering while Allen is still in his prime.  You know Sal M asked about Speed WR fully knowing that the Bills passed on the fastest one in Worthy to take Coleman and that trade will be tied to him justifiably or not much like the Mahomes trade will be tied to the Bills in 2017.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I actually think he sounds a little more tense and and terse when answering the questions this go around. I think the pressure is on not from ownership but in delivering while Allen is still in his prime.  You know Sal M asked about Speed WR fully knowing that the Bills passed on the fastest one in Worthy to take Coleman and that trade will be tied to him justifiably or not much like the Mahomes trade will be tied to the Bills in 2017.

Ok… I didn’t get those vibes ..but he should be feeling some pressure now with JA going into Year 8… I heard a stat recently that Josh is the third oldest starting QB in the AFC now which was a little sobering ..
 

My gut feel is that he will roll the dice this offseason before the draft … they have some draft capital and will be cashed up when he makes his cuts and restructures

 

 

[MWK]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Good stories are better than bad stories.

Good players are better than bad players like Hamlin and Doyle.

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

And to add to your post is how McDermott talked about Power. We need more size and Strength combined with the Quickness and speed.  We need a Bigger DT next to Oilver and depth past that. We must get a DE that can produce consistent pressure.  

 

Honestly, I want a DT next to Oliver who can yes stop the run, but pressure up the middle. Pressure up the middle is what got to Brady and Mahomes both.  I am ok Extending Groot, but we need more help at the other DE spot.

Ray-Ray McCloud - 5’9” 190 lbs        Crap

Austin Proehl - 5’10” 175 lbs               Crap

Marquez Stevenson - 5’10” 180 lbs    Crap

Khalil Shakir - 6’0” 190 lbs                  Bases loaded Home run, for a slot WR. 

 

Gabe Davis - 6’2” 225 lbs 4.54          Good, if he had any consistency and stopped the drops, he would still be here.

Isaiah Hodgins - 6’3” 200 lbs 4.61     Crap

Justin Shorter - 6’4” 223 lbs 4.55      Crap

Keon Coleman - 6’3” 215 lbs 4.61      Yet to be decided.

 

 

Not great evaluation on his part. The flip side is he can flat nail it on most FA Additions.  

 

No disprespect bud...but that is missing a LOT Of context and the bolded is not really a fair statement...The only guys drafted to actually compete at WR were Davis, Shakir, and Coleman, all of which started for this team.  The rest were late round fliers for ST purposes or guys who could spend some time on the PS and potentially develop.  And that is because they had Diggs and found Davis early and were initially using vets like Brown and Sanders as Davis developed more even though Davis began contributing immediately as a rookie.

 

So really, Beane is 3 for 3 with a 4th TBD in Keon.  He sent a first for Diggs who exceeded expectations, turned a 4th rounder in Davis into a significant contributor and starter, and drafted Shakir to be the future of the slot.  If Keon hits, then he will be 4 of 4 when using draft capital to find starters for the offense at WR.  At no point were McCloud (who has made a nice littler career for himself), Proehl, Stevenson, Hodgins, or Shorter ever considered the future of the position, future starters, etc when they were drafted.  And every team has an exact list just like this of late round guys they took for the same reasons that also didn't do anything.  

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[billsfan89]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disprespect bud...but that is missing a LOT Of context and the bolded is not really a fair statement...The only guys drafted to actually compete at WR were Davis, Shakir, and Coleman, all of which started for this team.  The rest were late round fliers for ST purposes or guys who could spend some time on the PS and potentially develop.  And that is because they had Diggs and found Davis early and were initially using vets like Brown and Sanders as Davis developed more even though Davis began contributing immediately as a rookie.

 

So really, Beane is 3 for 3 with a 4th TBD in Keon.  He sent a first for Diggs who exceeded expectations, turned a 4th rounder in Davis into a significant contributor and starter, and drafted Shakir to be the future of the slot.  If Keon hits, then he will be 4 of 4 when using draft capital to find starters for the offense at WR.  At no point were McCloud (who has made a nice littler career for himself), Proehl, Stevenson, Hodgins, or Shorter ever considered the future of the position, future starters, etc when they were drafted.  And every team has an exact list just like this of late round guys they took for the same reasons that also didn't do anything.  

 

 

The Bills prior to Keon have not had a WR drafted in round 3 or higher in their entire time Beane has been the GM (2017 Zay Jones was not a Beane draft). So while if you put a pin in Keon as its too soon to tell on him (although his rookie year was promising but uneven) the Bills have managed to spend the following amount of draft picks at WR per round. 

 

1. Round 4- Gabe Davis
2. Round 5- Shakir and Shorter
3. Round 6- M. Stevenson, Hodgens, and McCloud, 
4. Round 7- Prohel

The Bills hit on Davis and Shakir (esp Shakir but Davis was productive) thus hitting on 2 out of 3 picks in rounds 4-5 which is a pretty good track record. The Bills missing on 4 picks in the last two rounds at WR is not really as damming evidence they don't know how to draft the position. 

[major]

7 hours ago, MWK said:

These people are obsessed with "good stories" like Damar Hamlin and Tommy Doyle. 

Each time someone says “Tommy Doyle” I keep thinking of that character from Halloween 🎃 😂

[Old Coot]

I hope Coleman doesn't become a head case like Sammy Watkins.  

 

I remember Sammy saying his first year that guys in the pros hit pretty hard and thinking even if its true you don't admit it.

 

Poyer's hit on Coleman was wicked (but clean). It sounds like Coleman may still be mentally bothered by that hit.

[SoonerBillsFan]

12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Not sure about the used car salesman … he seems more honest than most …

 

He seems a little comfortable though …

Too comfortable imho

[Lost]

7 hours ago, Old Coot said:

I hope Coleman doesn't become a head case like Sammy Watkins.  

 

I remember Sammy saying his first year that guys in the pros hit pretty hard and thinking even if its true you don't admit it.

 

Poyer's hit on Coleman was wicked (but clean). It sounds like Coleman may still be mentally bothered by that hit.

 

Was it clean?  I thought it was helmet to helmet.  

[YoloinOhio]

Anyone find a link to the audio?

[MrEpsYtown]

14 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

And to add to your post is how McDermott talked about Power. We need more size and Strength combined with the Quickness and speed.  We need a Bigger DT next to Oilver and depth past that. We must get a DE that can produce consistent pressure.  

 

Honestly, I want a DT next to Oliver who can yes stop the run, but pressure up the middle. Pressure up the middle is what got to Brady and Mahomes both.  I am ok Extending Groot, but we need more help at the other DE spot.

Ray-Ray McCloud - 5’9” 190 lbs        Crap

Austin Proehl - 5’10” 175 lbs               Crap

Marquez Stevenson - 5’10” 180 lbs    Crap

Khalil Shakir - 6’0” 190 lbs                  Bases loaded Home run, for a slot WR. 

 

Gabe Davis - 6’2” 225 lbs 4.54          Good, if he had any consistency and stopped the drops, he would still be here.

Isaiah Hodgins - 6’3” 200 lbs 4.61     Crap

Justin Shorter - 6’4” 223 lbs 4.55      Crap

Keon Coleman - 6’3” 215 lbs 4.61      Yet to be decided.

 

 

Not great evaluation on his part. The flip side is he can flat nail it on most FA Additions.  

 

That 2021 draft is hard to look at at. Rousseau is a pretty good pick, except the fact that most media reports said we were taking Eric Stokes if he was there. Spencer Brown amazing pick. Everyone likes to talk about the Basham pick costing us Humphrey, but when you dive further, shortly after that pick some interesting guys went... Andre Cisco, Milton Williams, Alim McNeil, Paulson Adebo, not to mention the receivers who went when we felt it was a big need, Nico Collins, Dyami Brown, Josh Palmer, St. Brown...and we wind up with Stevenson. I know hindsight is 20-20 but that was a God-awful draft. 

 

And overall, outside of Shakir and Davis, you have a bunch of guys who lasted maybe a year or two.

 

I mean I did think Justin Shorter was interesting, but a project that completely failed. And in the process, they passed on some interesting wide receivers like Dontayvion Wicks, Xavier Hutchinson, Andrei Iosivas, and of course Puka Nacua. 

 

Extremely poor evaluation when you are targeting a WR and studying these guys like crazy and you draft a guy who never plays a down for you. That's a fail. You are targeting the interior pass rush and draft Boogie in front of Milton Williams and Alim McNeil. It's just a huge failure of evaluation and projection. 

Edited 13 hours ago by MrEpsYtown

[Metal Man]

4 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Was it clean?  I thought it was helmet to helmet.  

The refs and the league didn't think so based on the flag and subsequent fine.

[Old Coot]

5 hours ago, Lost said:

Was it clean?  I thought it was helmet to helmet.  

You are right. It was helmet to helmet.