Bills and Khalil Shakir agree to 4-year extension ($60.2 million/$32 million guaranteed)

[Fan boy '92]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Up to $15M a year. Actually lower than I thought but would be.  Only $32M in guaranteed cash? This is a win.

For who?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said:

have to agree with this. 

Cook is just if not more valuable than Shakir.  His numbers show that. There is normally only 1 RB on the field at a time and 2-4 WRs. 

If an extension for Cook helps our cap this year then get it done. 4 yrs/$60m for Shakir - $15m/year.  That's all Cook is asking for

No way is he a product of the staff. haha! Cook has elite speed, balance, and has worked his tail off to be a power back that can push the pile in-between the tackles.

Cook is a decent pass catcher too, but needs work on pass blocking.

If the Bills featured him more, didn't take him out of 3rd downs and series, he'd produce even more.

Oh, and how many fumbles did he have this year?  1!

 

He deserves an extension as much as Shakir does

 

I don't have an issue with extending cook - i have an issue with 15M AAV.  As should anyone.  Cap is going up, but that would be the 2nd highest in the NFL, above barkley, jacobs, and everyone but CMC.  Let Bijan and Gibbs set the market, don't do it with Cook.  

[GASabresIUFan]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

I just think we're just in a unique situation, because of Josh Allen.  Houston went in with great depth, but fell apart even with that crazy good depth, because of injuries.  The league is changing to more balls thrown at or near the LOS though, so it's a tough call.  For that reason, I'd agree that overspending on a #1 WR might be a bad decision, esp in our particular case.  

I am all for locking up Shakir.  He is a very important safety blanket for Josh.  As I have pointed out many times, he was second in the NFL in YA; second only to Chase.  However he also ran the shortest routes of any starting slot receiver in the NFL last season.  He averaged only about 2 to 3 yards of air on his receptions.  I'm perfectly happy he was re-signed, but he isn't exactly a down the field threat.

 

If I'm comparing who is more critical to the success of the offense, Cook vs Shakir, Cook is way more valuable.  

[BontitaBills]

Great timing to this before Jamar Chase signs for $40 Million a season and blows the doors off the WR market.  

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I don't have an issue with extending cook - i have an issue with 15M AAV.  As should anyone.  Cap is going up, but that would be the 2nd highest in the NFL, above barkley, jacobs, and everyone but CMC.  Let Bijan and Gibbs set the market, don't do it with Cook.  

There is no way that Beane is paying him $15m a year … he doesn’t pay top of the market any more … ( his own players anyway)

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Aussie Joe

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Really, if anyone can run behind a great Oline, why was Davis a yard a carry less (3.9) then Cook (4.9)? 

 

Why then in the playoffs did Cook rush the ball 53 times to Davis' 7 when during the regular season Davis received about 50% of the carries Cook received? (Cook 207 to Davis 113).

 

I don't think I'm the one whose is off base here.  

Davis is a rookie. Both Davis and Johnson pass block better, Johnson is our 3rd down back.  So to counter your argument, why wasn't cook on the field the last drive of the AFCCG?  Because he isn't the best pass catching back.

 

Also, it took Cook 17 games just to barely break 1000 yards, and that isnt good. 

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

There is no way that Beane is paying him $15m a year … he doesn’t pay top of the market any more 

He isn't worth it. The draft is loaded with guys who could start, and I still say Davis can start and do well in this league.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

 

 

Also, it took Cook 17 games just to barely break 1000 yards, and that isnt good. 

He isn't worth it. The draft is loaded with guys who could start, and I still say Davis can start and do well in this league.

 

I wouldn’t be losing any sleep if they give him 3 years $30m  which ends up in reality being 2 years $20m

[tigerthelion]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

This is such an awesome deal! $15m AAV?????  Are you kidding!  I thought it would be more like $20, but was hoping he'd take a little discount and get down to something like $18.

 

One thing I hope we all agree on with Beane is that he's been pretty good about extending the right players early.

Beane has had some hits and and some misses. Epenesa amd Knox were definitely unnecessary overpays.  

[TBBills Fan]

15 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No, the OL is the key to that part.

Agree 💯 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, tigerthelion said:

Beane has had some hits and and some misses. Epenesa amd Knox were definitely unnecessary overpays.  

 

Knox's overpay was compounded with restructures too so you couldn't get out of it.  He's still a good player though, and a solid in-line tight end.  At least he's playing, i mean everyone complains about knox's deal and its moreso the white extension that really was the big miss along with Von.  

[HurlyBurly51]

The first domino falls.  Congrats Khalil!

[GASabresIUFan]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Davis is a rookie. Both Davis and Johnson pass block better, Johnson is our 3rd down back.  So to counter your argument, why wasn't cook on the field the last drive of the AFCCG?  Because he isn't the best pass catching back.

 

Also, it took Cook 17 games just to barely break 1000 yards, and that isnt good. 

Actually 16 games (he didn't play against NE) and he did it on only 207 carries.  Barkley carried the ball almost 140 more times than Cook last season.  Cook's 4.9 yards per carry were 5th behind Henry, Barkley, Gibbs, and Irving.

 

The reason he wasn't on the field was plain stupidity by Brady.  Cook was the most dominate player on either side of the ball for both teams against KC and Brady simply stopped calling his number.  Stupid.  We win that game if Brady leaves Cook in the game.  He averaged 6.5 yards per carry against KC and 16.3 yards per catch.  He was also 3 for 3 on targets.  Nice try!  

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Actually 16 games (he didn't play against NE) and he did it on only 207 carries.  Barkley carried the ball almost 140 more times than Cook last season.  Cook's 4.9 yards per carry were 5th behind Henry, Barkley, Gibbs, and Irving.

 

The reason he wasn't on the field was plain stupidity by Brady.  Cook was the most dominate player on either side of the ball for both teams against KC and Brady simply stopped calling his number.  Stupid.  We win that game if Brady leaves Cook in the game.  He averaged 6.5 yards per carry against KC and 16.3 yards per catch.  He was also 3 for 3 on targets.  Nice try!  

IMO He isn't worth 15 mill per year, period. That is the end of this discussion with you on this subject.

[GASabresIUFan]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

IMO He isn't worth 15 mill per year, period. That is the end of this discussion with you on this subject.

LMAO, so don't respond and you are completely wrong.  If Beane gets him for under 15 mill we should all celebrate, but if Shakir is worth 15 so is Cook.

[AdamK]

You need core players to build a team. Based on his production and intangibles, Khalil has demonstrated to the team that he is a core player.
Most people have worked with someone who was really productive at their job, but due to their personality, you would trade them for someone less productive but is a better teammate. 
You can’t just look at stats when building teams, it’s fools gold. 
I’m interested to see if Cook will be identified (and paid) as a core player. 

Productive -  100% yes.

Intangibles - not sure.
(Posting on social media with your brother about contracts etc. sounds like another former core player) 

[MikePJ76]

6 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Actually 16 games (he didn't play against NE) and he did it on only 207 carries.  Barkley carried the ball almost 140 more times than Cook last season.  Cook's 4.9 yards per carry were 5th behind Henry, Barkley, Gibbs, and Irving.

 

The reason he wasn't on the field was plain stupidity by Brady.  Cook was the most dominate player on either side of the ball for both teams against KC and Brady simply stopped calling his number.  Stupid.  We win that game if Brady leaves Cook in the game.  He averaged 6.5 yards per carry against KC and 16.3 yards per catch.  He was also 3 for 3 on targets.  Nice try!  

actually it was 15 games.

 

Many here forget, that 3 game road stretch of Baltimore, Houston and the Jets the team was battling injuries to Cook, Dawkins, Samuels, Shakir.  Cook didn't play vs the Jets.

 

That is why they struggled so much against houston.  Without samuels and shakir and cook playing banged up that day they just did not have any juice.  They then overreacted and dealt a third to cleveland. Just a terrible trade then and now.

Edited 7 hours ago by MikePJ76

[BarleyNY]

4 hours ago, balln said:

Oh boy here we go !

 

love the deal.

 

but amplifies the James cook pressure to get a deal

done 

Why is that?

[Steptide]

So funny reading non bills fans tweets on Shakir. Saying the bills way over paid for a "role player"... Whatever that means. It's a fair deal Imo and super happy he's not going anywhere. He's young and will only get better 

[Einstein's Dog]

5 minutes ago, AdamK said:

You need core players to build a team. Based on his production and intangibles, Khalil has demonstrated to the team that he is a core player.
Most people have worked with someone who was really productive at their job, but due to their personality, you would trade them for someone less productive but is a better teammate. 
You can’t just look at stats when building teams, it’s fools gold. 
I’m interested to see if Cook will be identified (and paid) as a core player. 

Productive -  100% yes.

Intangibles - not sure.
(Posting on social media with your brother about contracts etc. sounds like another former core player) 

Also, the player involved needs to take the prevailing market rate, for the years extended and in return they get a guarantee early - just like Shakir.  In the case of Cook he may have done Beane a favor going to social media, the fans now see why J Cook will not be handled like Shakir. 

 

J Cook does not want a reasonable market rate for future years now along with a guarantee.  J Cook wants top of the market.

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Davis is a rookie. Both Davis and Johnson pass block better, Johnson is our 3rd down back.  So to counter your argument, why wasn't cook on the field the last drive of the AFCCG?  Because he isn't the best pass catching back.

 

Also, it took Cook 17 games just to barely break 1000 yards, and that isnt good. 

He isn't worth it. The draft is loaded with guys who could start, and I still say Davis can start and do well in this league.

 

Davis sucked at pass blocking this year. There honestly wasn't much between he and Cook in it. The only back we had on the roster who could pass block reliably was Ty.