Doc Brown Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: There is no way that Beane is paying him $15m a year … he doesn’t pay top of the market any more … ( his own players anyway) It was kind of a boss move though when he gave Shakir $15m per year knowing that's exactly what Cook wanted. Pry coincidence but still. 2 1 Quote
harmonkillebrew Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Brand J said: Relative to his RB peers I would agree, I think his value slots around $12M/yr. But relative to his impact on the team I think he’s easily worth $15M/yr. People have argued that a great RB isn’t the driving force to SB appearances. Well, a great WR is even less of a driving force, yet an upper echelon receiver makes 2-3x more than an upper echelon RB despite touching the ball 2-3x less and without the added responsibility of blocking for the QB. There’s a great inequity between those two positions. With the way defenses defend nowadays, a Saquon Barkley is arguably just as valuable to his QB, if not more so, than a Jamarr Chase or J Jefferson. And we just saw Barkley reap offseason awards to prove that point. I think this is a great point and likely one that we'll start to see as Offenses trend back toward power running games. RBs have been undervalued but I think that is going to change 1 Quote
VW82 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Seems like a good deal for a core guy. "up to 60M" might mean there are incentives as appose to just an out after year three or whatever. Does this replace year four of his rookie deal? Could have cap implications. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 16 minutes ago, VW82 said: Seems like a good deal for a core guy. "up to 60M" might mean there are incentives as appose to just an out after year three or whatever. Does this replace year four of his rookie deal? Could have cap implications. No. It will be added on after. He is signed through the 2029 season. Edited 8 hours ago by ColoradoBills 4 Quote
billsfan89 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 12 minutes ago, DCofNC said: from a production standpoint, it may not be a super value, but his value to the team is unquestioned. Production wise I think it's a fair contract. A slot WR catching 75ish catches 800-900 yards on modest volume with great efficiency is worth 15 million a season in their prime. It is not an overpay but not great value either. But I think much like Brown there is also positive projection which is a smart gamble to make. Brown had he just continued to play like he did in 2023 would have been worth the value of his contract but it wouldn't have been the amazing value it turned out to be after he got better in 2024. I think there is the smart idea that if he maintains his level of production the contract is a fair deal, whereas if he continues to develop the contract is a steal. It's a smart piece of business for McBeane. Hoping they can take care of Benford and Bernard too on fair deals. Cook is tricky however not sure where they are going with him long term. 2 Quote
In Summary Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Shakir can get open quickly which makes him the most valuable WR the Bills have. Great RAC and hands. Not going to dump on him if he's not Andre Reed. 1 Quote
VW82 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: No. It will be added on after. He is signed through the 2030 season. You mean through 2029 (rookie year four = 2025 + '26 + '27 + '28 + '29), unless you mean through the 2030 SB we're going to win, in which case YES! 1 Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 6 minutes ago, VW82 said: Seems like a good deal for a core guy. "up to 60M" might mean there are incentives as appose to just an out after year three or whatever. Does this replace year four of his rookie deal? Could have cap implications. 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: No. It will be added on after. He is signed through the 2030 season. I’m super curious to see the intricacies of this deal. I want to see how the money is structured. Hoping guys like @BarleyNY will be able to add a little more insight into how the specifics of this deal might play into what we could expect in terms of how aggressive the front office will be with slinging around cash this free agency. Huge signing bonus spread out over the next 5 years? 1 minute ago, VW82 said: You mean through 2029 (rookie year four = 2025 + '26 + '27 + '28 + '29), unless you mean through the 2030 SB we're going to win, in which case YES! Right. FA in 2030 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, In Summary said: Shakir can get open quickly which makes him the most valuable WR the Bills have. Great RAC and hands. Not going to dump on him if he's not Andre Reed. I know Andre Reed is the gold standard for WRs around here, but here is a comparison of their 3rd seasons. Just sayin'... Edited 8 hours ago by Low Positive 1 1 Quote
harmonkillebrew Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 23 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: A very very good resigning. 15 million a year for a high end slot WR (if not one of the best slot WR's in the league) is a more than fair price esp since he's going to still be on his rookie deal this season and that is going to make the contract a much smaller percentage of the cap in 2026 as the cap continues to climb. I also like the idea of rewarding a play whose worked hard and developed. Reminds me of the Brown resigning early last season. I think by the end of 2025 we are going to be looking at this contract as a tremendous value. What's the cap savings for a 5th rounder last year on rookie deal v. $15/year $32 guaranteed? I don't know. Just asking. Quote
Low Positive Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 minute ago, harmonkillebrew said: What's the cap savings for a 5th rounder last year on rookie deal v. $15/year $32 guaranteed? I don't know. Just asking. Most of the time, the extension doesn't kick in until the previous contract expires. We just locked him in. 1 Quote
billsfan89 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 2 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: What's the cap savings for a 5th rounder last year on rookie deal v. $15/year $32 guaranteed? I don't know. Just asking. Isn't this deal an extension? Shakir is still going to be on his rookie deal in 2025? 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) This is where I get to write: I told you so This is what I have been saying...Bills love him and want him here...he loves it here and wants to be here...he is on a 5th round rookie deal where an injury risk is huge for him this year. They were going to for sure want to extend him now before he gets to FA and he would be motivated to get it done and give a home town discount well below where people like sportrac were saying over $19M. LOVE LOVE LOVE this. Great for him, Great for the Bills. LFG. Edited 8 hours ago by Alphadawg7 1 1 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 10 minutes ago, VW82 said: You mean through 2029 (rookie year four = 2025 + '26 + '27 + '28 + '29), unless you mean through the 2030 SB we're going to win, in which case YES! Corrected. Yes Fa in 2030. 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I’m super curious to see the intricacies of this deal. I want to see how the money is structured. Hoping guys like @BarleyNY will be able to add a little more insight into how the specifics of this deal might play into what we could expect in terms of how aggressive the front office will be with slinging around cash this free agency. Huge signing bonus spread out over the next 5 years? Right. FA in 2030 I’ll be on it as soon as the details come out. At this point I expect it to be a fair deal. The “up to” modifier is always interesting. They’ll give the agent a few days to take his victory lap before the real numbers hit OTC & Spotrac. Might be longer since it can’t be sent to the league until the new year starts. I expect a negative impact on the cap space though. Shakira is still on his rookie deal. I think Benford or Rousseau is next. I’d do Benford. Much like Shakir, they pretty much have to do a deal with him. I’d let Rousseau play 2025 on the option and then walk for a comp pick. But if they want to extend him, then he is the guy with whom we can open up space this season due to him being on the 5th year option. Edited 8 hours ago by BarleyNY Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Can I be honest. I never know when these players are up for extensions like this. Didn’t catch much headlines here..? I know what Cook is up to, that’s for sure. We talk a lot about having to decide on Rousseau. Who else is next? Benford and Bernard.. what’s their situation. Last year so we extend or they’re playing for a contract? And we’re talking about Allen getting paid again.. I swear I thought he just did?! 🤣 Oh, locking up Shakir. I have NO problem doing that and trusting the signing was good for both sides. Wanting some burst out of KS10 this up comer 15 minutes ago, Low Positive said: I know Andre Reed is the gold standard for WRs around here, but here is a comparison of their 3rd seasons. Just sayin'... Reed walked to practice up hill both ways 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) This is a team-friendlyish deal. Shakir is happy where he is, being in a great football city, as an integral part of the offense and playing with an elite QB. If all goes well, he'll be 29 and ready for another sizable deal when this one is up. Edited 8 hours ago by Chicken Boo 1 Quote
SCBills Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) Should also be noted that Shakir put up those numbers last year with next to zero vertical threat in our passing game. As a result, teams played us accordingly which limited some of the underneath/intermediate potential in our offense. Shakir has his limitations.. unlike some of the top slot guys, he doesn’t have reliable downfield ability, but he can do it.. and if that develops at all, he’s already top tier at RAC and Catch % while uncovering quickly as a chain mover. Edited 8 hours ago by SCBills 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: This is such an awesome deal! $15m AAV????? Are you kidding! I thought it would be more like $20, but was hoping he'd take a little discount and get down to something like $18. One thing I hope we all agree on with Beane is that he's been pretty good about extending the right players early. Ya he has been pretty damn good. Only one that was overpaid was Knox. But Josh, Tre white at the time (Bad luck with the injuries), Dawkins, Spencer Brown, Taron- The list goes on. Oliver is TBD as he has had one really good year since signing the extension (2023), and one off year. (Last season) Quote
NoSaint Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Mixed feelings. like the player. Definitely not priced out to his ceiling not sure whether paying $15m for this type of player is actually getting us closer or not. Quote
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