Commanders DT Johnathan Allen on the trade block

[MasterStrategist]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Cue the other typical fan response 'we can't afford it ..." 

 

Simple. You rework his deal. Add some void years. I don't even know if I'll be alive in 2030 so I really couldn't care less about "dead cap" 5-6 years from now. Look at Philadelphia. Learn from that.

Look at Philadelphia he says.

 

Well, they draft extremely well.  People act like they "bought" their DL, some they did, but it was drafting those monsters inside that made the difference this season.  How'd Philly do LY btw?

 

With a draft loaded with DL talent, this is not the time to be "buying" vets/trading for a $16m salary.

 

Why is Washington trading him?  Another contender coming off a NFCCG loss?  

[biggerdaddynj]

2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Just go watch Cover1's salary cap podcast. We are not in a bad cap situation this year. 

Here’s the link—it’s a good watch (warning it’s 2 hours) and gives you ideas on potential moves to clear up cap space (nothing crazy/unrealistic):

 

 

[GolfandBills]

Trade for a DE and draft a DT

[BuffaloBillyG]

55 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Look at Philadelphia he says.

 

Well, they draft extremely well.  People act like they "bought" their DL, some they did, but it was drafting those monsters inside that made the difference this season.  How'd Philly do LY btw?

 

With a draft loaded with DL talent, this is not the time to be "buying" vets/trading for a $16m salary.

 

Why is Washington trading him?  Another contender coming off a NFCCG loss?  

They won the Super Bowl. Maybe you were boycotting?

 

And yes, they drafted the DL well. They also had picks that didn't pan out and took the opportunity when it was available to upgrade through trades. As an example, they whiffed on Jalen Reagor in the first round. Went on to trade for AJ Brown. Had a weakness a few years back at CB. Made a move for Slay. Those are the types of trades that take a team from good to Super. 

 

And again, that "$16M salary" can EASILY be redone to lower the cap hit to almost nothing. He's in the last year of his deal and would likely like some new guarantees. It's a no brainier. When all is said and done you can work that contract to less of a cap hit then the #30 overall pick is slotted to make. 

[Solomon Grundy]

NO!!

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

if this team is conservative with their off season approach, it's a huge mistake 

You are probably correct but I believe there is little chance that Beane spends the money necessary to make a big splash.  He will use the limited cap dollars to extend key contributors on expiring contracts ( Shakir is the first of these) and get value FA's to fill holes.  With three draft picks in the first 60, he should be able to land some impact contributors.

[MasterStrategist]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

They won the Super Bowl. Maybe you were boycotting?

 

And yes, they drafted the DL well. They also had picks that didn't pan out and took the opportunity when it was available to upgrade through trades. As an example, they whiffed on Jalen Reagor in the first round. Went on to trade for AJ Brown. Had a weakness a few years back at CB. Made a move for Slay. Those are the types of trades that take a team from good to Super. 

 

And again, that "$16M salary" can EASILY be redone to lower the cap hit to almost nothing. He's in the last year of his deal and would likely like some new guarantees. It's a no brainier. When all is said and done you can work that contract to less of a cap hit then the #30 overall pick is slotted to make. 

Ha I was not boycotting...good try 🤣 

 

Again why is Jonathan Allen such an upgrade at his cost, vs drafting?

 

Please enlighten us all.  Since it's a no brainer.

 

Again, if it's a no brainer and you know so much on Allen, why is Washington putting him on trade block/potentially cutting him when they have $50m+ of cap space?

 

And we are supposed to re do his deal, kick the can why?  What would his restructure look like?

 

If you can answer these questions, that would help me understand what your plan is for rebuilding this DL and managing a cap when we need to extended several talented core players.

 

Again, if this is a serious no brainer and you seem all in on this move, I'd hope you have alot more to offer than "pair him with Garret".

[aristocrat]

Guy was the super healthy before this year. Would be a force next to Oliver his physical looks good

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Ha I was not boycotting...good try 🤣 

 

Again why is Jonathan Allen such an upgrade at his cost, vs drafting?

 

Please enlighten us all.  Since it's a no brainer.

 

Again, if it's a no brainer and you know so much on Allen, why is Washington putting him on trade block/potentially cutting him when they have $50m+ of cap space?

 

And we are supposed to re do his deal, kick the can why?  What would his restructure look like?

 

If you can answer these questions, that would help me understand what your plan is for rebuilding this DL and managing a cap when we need to extended several talented core players.

 

Again, if this is a serious no brainer and you seem all in on this move, I'd hope you have alot more to offer than "pair him with Garret".

First off, nice goal post moving. Truly top notch. The "no brainier" comment I made had to do with rework his deal and kick in some void years. No where did I claim to be "all in" or some Allen expert. YOU brought up the cap number and I refuted that with how to easily and financially fit him under the cap at a value price. Why is it a no brainier? Because if you care about dead cap hits 5 years from now...hell I don't even know if I'll be alive 5 years from now to care about it. 

 

Allen has requested a trade. The Commanders have granted permission. I have (several times) explained how managing his cap hit is feasible. You can scroll back up. If you need to know why Johnathan Allen would help our poor DL...I suggest you try and actually watch football. You seem more interested in grandstanding then actually having a conversation. Something I no longer do with those unable or unwilling to grasp easy and often used concepts. You can have whatever last word you want. I won't even see it. Go Bills

 

Finally, you ask questions that due to me not being in the front office of the Commanders or Bills would be impossible to answer as some kinda of "gotcha" or things you could easily find out for yourself with a 3 minute Google search. I would suggest however if you can't comprehend why reworking a guy on a 1 year deal would be something both sides would want to do...maybe you aren't the Master Strategist you claim to be. Maybe with the way you move goalposts and want to bait people to argue...you should switch the second half of your name to "Baiter". Be more fitting.

Edited 6 hours ago by BuffaloBillyG

[Rigotz]

In these situations, you have to ask “why would the Commanders, a team with tons of cap space, great offensive talent, and no defensive talent, let this guy walk?”

 

Something doesn’t sit right with me on this. I wouldn’t touch him.

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

First off, nice goal post moving. Truly top notch. The "no brainier" comment I made had to do with rework his deal and kick in some void years. No where did I claim to be "all in" or some Allen expert. YOU brought up the cap number and I refuted that with how to easily and financially fit him under the cap at a value price. Why is it a no brainier? Because if you care about dead cap hits 5 years from now...hell I don't even know if I'll be alive 5 years from now to care about it. 

 

Allen has requested a trade. The Commanders have granted permission. I have (several times) explained how managing his cap hit is feasible. You can scroll back up. If you need to know why Johnathan Allen would help our poor DL...I suggest you try and actually watch football. You seem more interested in grandstanding then actually having a conversation. Something I no longer do with those unable or unwilling to grasp easy and often used concepts. You can have whatever last word you want. I won't even see it. Go Bills

 

Finally, you ask questions that due to me not being in the front office of the Commanders or Bills would be impossible to answer as some kinda of "gotcha" or things you could easily find out for yourself with a 3 minute Google search. I would suggest however if you can't comprehend why reworking a guy on a 1 year deal would be something both sides would want to do...maybe you aren't the Master Strategist you claim to be. Maybe with the way you move goalposts and want to bait people to argue...you should switch the second half of your name to "Baiter". Be more fitting.

I think you misunderstand the concept of "goalpost moving".  Im asking you questions related to why you seem to be so motivated to have us sign Allen, and the roster building component (ie:draft picks, salary cap, etc).

 

Speaking of "baiting"/goalpost moving, I think you're projecting quite a bit...go back re read your posts if you need to understand the difference.

 

So let me give you my perspective and maybe you can reply with educated opinion on Allen:

 

1. First off, I suspect a small chance anyone is giving up a draft pick for Allen.  $16m comes with him, renegotiate or not., he isnt worth trading for.  Wash will likely end up cutting him if they move on.  No use wasting any picks

 

2. 2024 play: his play dipped prior to injury, was losing snaps to their new rook Newton and getting outplayed in the run game

 

3. 2025+: 30 and coming off a "partial to near full torn pec", he is no longer a "sure thing"

 

4. Contract: of course adding void years is the easy thing to do. But it's the same thing getting Beane into problems cap wise, because he's selecting to do this with the wrong guys.  

 

Allen isn't the guy you give up picks for, during a draft deep in DT talent.  Cap wise, as discussed, he isnt coming over via a $16m trade (which you cant re work until we stay under cap).  If he is released, sure see what he's asking for...my guess is it's still too high.

 

My idea of improving DL is not going after aging vets, coming off injury, who are going to cost cap/add unnecessary void years.  Draft is going to have plenty of options in Rd 1 and 2.  We're set up in the draft to get younger/cheaper and build a new DL if we use a couple picks early.

 

Comes down to Beane nailing these first 3 picks.  Jonathan Allen isn't the answer though.  If we do invest in a FA DT, there are better options IMO,  but I'd rather see us use FA on secondary help and draft for DL.

 

Let's see what you got in response.

 

 

[BigAl2526]

Allen is 300 lbs.  I think the bigger need right now is a 1 tech, a big body that won't be bullied by big strong offensive linemen.   There are some big bodied defensive linemen in the draft.  If Buffalo doesn't get Kenneth Grant in the first, maybe they can target Deone Walker or someone else in the second. 

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

He is going to get cut.  

 

Nobody is trading for that contract.  

 

well nobody that is good at their job is trading for that contract.

 

 

That's what I think. With that injury anyway. If healthy, maybe not impossible, but at his age you can't assume a perfect recovery.

14 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Just go watch Cover1's salary cap podcast. We are not in a bad cap situation this year. 

 

 

Yeah, but that would change if you bring in Garrett. Who will require an extension (this year or next at the outside) as he goes into his thirties.

 

Bring in Garrett and you drastically adjust the other pieces you will be able to bring in. 

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Cue the other typical fan response 'we can't afford it ..." 

 

Simple. You rework his deal. Add some void years. I don't even know if I'll be alive in 2030 so I really couldn't care less about "dead cap" 5-6 years from now. Look at Philadelphia. Learn from that.

 

 

Again, "can we do it?" is the wrong question. It's a fun thing to look at as a hypothetical, but it's dumb to look at in real time.

 

The fact is, I can afford a Lamborghini Temerario. I can do that. It's fun to think about. But for me to actually buy it would be massively, spectacularly overwhelmingly stupid. The question is simply NOT "Can we do it?" 

 

The question is "SHOULD we do it?" Or maybe, "Is doing it a smart use of resources?"

 

And no, it would not be a smart or even slightly unstupid of me to buy a Temerario.

 

Nor would it be smart of us to spend a ton this year with void years and then be greatly limited in who else they could bring in for the next year or two. We know what happens to Beane when he takes a risk and brings in a Von Miller. He ends up with a year like last year when he has to get the cap back under control and get rid of some guys and not be able to bring in guys we'd like to.

 

Bring in Garrett? Maybe. I hope they can do it because he would make this defense look completely different. Bring in Garrett and Allen, who old guys who'd cost a lot? I don't see that as being a smart use of resources and I don't think Brandon will either.

 

 

10 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

They won the Super Bowl. Maybe you were boycotting?

 

And yes, they drafted the DL well. They also had picks that didn't pan out and took the opportunity when it was available to upgrade through trades. As an example, they whiffed on Jalen Reagor in the first round. Went on to trade for AJ Brown. Had a weakness a few years back at CB. Made a move for Slay. Those are the types of trades that take a team from good to Super. 

 

And again, that "$16M salary" can EASILY be redone to lower the cap hit to almost nothing. He's in the last year of his deal and would likely like some new guarantees. It's a no brainier. When all is said and done you can work that contract to less of a cap hit then the #30 overall pick is slotted to make. 

 

 

 

No, you can't "lower the cap hit to almost nothing." You just can't. You can lower it significantly for this year. But it will all come in in future years. Future years when you're also paying Garrett if you bring him in.

 

Again, yeah, I can buy the Temerario. But it would make my nut too high and I'd have to do things elsewhere that would not be in my best interest.

 

Same with the Bills and the salary cap and the feeling that they can do it so it makes sense. This move doesn't. Particularly for an injured 30 year-old.

 

Oh, and yes, the Eagles did bring in AJ Brown and Darius Slay. Were either of them 30 years old and injured? Slay wasn't a young pup, but he was younger than Allen. And healthy.

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 minutes ago by Thurman#1