New McD comments about Coleman

[RiotAct]

16 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I wouldn't be shocked if we signed Hollywood brown and drafted golden from Texas Rd 1. Obviously resign mack hollins too. 

 

Looking back at the wr room last year was pretty underwhelming. 

 

He looked really good before the injury. I'm guessing it was much more serious than we thought and it was probably a bit of a mental issue too. That poyer hit was pretty tough 

stupid Poyer

[Alphadawg7]

14 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

That may be true, but he still looked like crap for much of the first half of the season too.

 

He had that amazing catch vs Seattle but he also had numerous games of dropped balls, poor adjustments and no separation.

So did Diggs to be fair

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

Their WR room was not set up well for a rookie last year and given his skill-set it wasn't realistic he'd win the starting job for Week 1 or later in the season.   Still, he took at least 60% of their offensive snaps in 12 of 13 games.    

 

At the same time, before the injury he had a 61% catch rate (22 receptions on 36 targets).  After returning, as @Kirby Jackson notes, it was 33% (7 of 21).  Based on that, I'd translate McD's comments to being around how he responded to the adversity of playing hurt.  

 

McBeane still deserve criticism for going into a season where they needed a developmental prospect to produce immediately as a boundary receiver.  He needed to be brought along with a better plan, which probably meant starting from the slot.  Of course, that wasn't going to happen because they had Shakir and Samuel while having nothing outside beyond Hollins and MVS.  

 

Offense is not this leadership group's strong suit.  

This team consistently does the bare minimum when it comes to WR. 

 

8 WRs selected in 7 Beane drafts, average round 5.125. 

 

Beane has the Diggs trade on his side. But outside of that it has been a parade of low end FAs, low round draft picks. 

 

I don't know what Cooper was supposed to be last year, he got hurt right away and his usage was all over the place. Beane was desperate after the Houston game to get more help outside and it was Adams or Cooper. The Bills had no cap space so it had to be Cooper. 

 

I am hoping this team doesn't try and bring him back. 

[Coach Tuesday]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I liked Coleman as a prospect not for the player he is, but for the player I thought he could be. Part of my evaluation was that I had heard he had a strong work ethic and a desire to cash in to help his family (which I consider a positive trait). With his physical tools that was a very appealing package for me.

 

This comment from McDermott makes me more nervous than anything about his performance:

 

 

I'll criticize McDermott when warranted but I can't criticize him for these comments. Ultimately it IS on Coleman to take the next step. We have this conversation a lot about Josh Allen. Many on here give McDermott and Daboll credit for developing him. I don't. They laid the foundation of culture but Allen himself had to put in the countless hours of work to transform himself as a player.

 

With Coleman I take the same view. Nobody on the Bills can force him to put in the hours. It's a neverending grind and many extremely talented players have failed to reach their potential because they didn't fully commit to it.

 

I hope all of these comments from McDermott and Beane this offseason are because they know Coleman has that fire inside of him and they are trying to kindle it. If they had no hope for him at all they probably wouldn't be so direct.

 

Sounds like he skipped his rehab sessions.

[Brand J]

32 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Coleman needs to be in the weight room all offseason and out on the track with a track specialist to improve his explosiveness and long speed. 

 

Next offseason he can work on refining his route running. 

 

But he needs to meet the prerequisite speed component first. 

AMEN Eps 

No, he needs to work on his route running first and foremost. The difference in a 40 yard dash between a 4.61 and a 4.41 is 2 yards. We don’t need Coleman to be a deep threat. If he learns how to run routes properly, like countless other productive (and even Hall of Fame) WRs before him, you’ll see a night and day difference on the field.
 

He needs to study Davante Adams, Tee Higgins, Puka Nacua, Mike Evans, etc, WRs within his range of speed who know how to maximize their talents. Steve Smith excoriated Coleman for his bad route running, I hope someone sent him that video. Link up with Steve in the offseason, learn from him.

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Sounds like he skipped his rehab sessions.

 

I would bet Coleman was the biggest catalyst to firing Eric Ciano. Maybe they felt he had gotten too comfortable in the position and the conditioning had gotten too lax. Or if nothing else send a message to the players that people lose their jobs when you don't put in the work.

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, Brand J said:

No, he needs to work on his route running first and foremost. The difference in a 40 yard dash between a 4.61 and a 4.41 is 2 yards. We don’t need Coleman to be a deep threat. If he learns how to run routes properly, like countless other productive (and even Hall of Fame) WRs before him, you’ll see a night and day difference on the field.
 

He needs to study Davante Adams, Tee Higgins, Puka Nacua, Mike Evans, etc, WRs within his range of speed who know how to maximize their talents. Steve Smith excoriated Coleman for his bad route running, I hope someone sent him that video. Link up with Steve in the offseason, learn from him.

He just needs to join the Ravens band and he will get lots of attention from Smith.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

17 minutes ago, Brand J said:

No, he needs to work on his route running first and foremost. The difference in a 40 yard dash between a 4.61 and a 4.41 is 2 yards. We don’t need Coleman to be a deep threat. If he learns how to run routes properly, like countless other productive (and even Hall of Fame) WRs before him, you’ll see a night and day difference on the field.
 

He needs to study Davante Adams, Tee Higgins, Puka Nacua, Mike Evans, etc, WRs within his range of speed who know how to maximize their talents. Steve Smith excoriated Coleman for his bad route running, I hope someone sent him that video. Link up with Steve in the offseason, learn from him.

That's not how Joe Brady used him. 

 

All he ran were sideline go's and the occasional glance/slant. 

[Logic]

Forget Coleman's attitude. When taken in context and listened to, I'm not as concerned with the comments as some others seem to be.

What pisses ME off is that McDermott is sitting here talking about the Bills wanting to be more fast and explosive downfield at wide receiver. Like...WHAT?!

Xavier Worthy was the FASTEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE and was sitting there with the Bills on the clock. Beane galaxy brained it and traded down (with the Chiefs, no less) so that he could add...a high character rotational defensive tackle?! It just feels like such a Beane/McDermott move (and not in a good way). Veach/Reid are sitting here going "we've gotta trade up and get our QB an explosive WR", and Beane is sitting here going "meh. We can trade down and take lesser guy. Who needs speed when you can have jumping ability?".

And even IF they didn't want Worthy for whatever reasons, there were other explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker available throughout the draft. It was a VERY deep receiver draft. They took exactly ONE receiver, and it was one who notably LACKED speed and explosiveness.

So here we sit a year later, still needing speed/explosiveness downfield at wide receiver, except this year the draft isn't nearly as deep with it and the Bills have other needs. And the very fast and explosive receiver they passed on just put up 157 yards and 2 TDs  (garbage time or not, facts are facts) in the Super Bowl.

Infuriating.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think that the Poyer hit really messed with Coleman’s mind.  As you said, he seemed tentative after his return from injury.  

So you’re saying we have the Trent edwards of wide receivers … awesome 

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

Forget Coleman's attitude. When taken in context and listened to, I'm not as concerned with the comments as some others seem to be.

What pisses ME off is that McDermott is sitting here talking about the Bills wanting to be more fast and explosive downfield at wide receiver. Like...WHAT?!

Xavier Worthy was the FASTEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE and was sitting there with the Bills on the clock. Beane galaxy brained it and traded down (with the Chiefs, no less) so that he could add...a high character rotational defensive tackle?! It just feels like such a Beane/McDermott move (and not in a good way). Veach/Reid are sitting here going "we've gotta trade up and get our QB an explosive WR", and Beane is sitting here going "meh. We can trade down and take lesser guy. Who needs speed when you can have jumping ability?".

And even IF they didn't want Worthy for whatever reasons, there were other explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker available throughout the draft. It was a VERY deep receiver draft. They took exactly ONE receiver, and it was one who notably LACKED speed and explosiveness.

So here we sit a year later, still needing speed/explosiveness downfield at wide receiver, except this year the draft isn't nearly as deep with it and the Bills have other needs. And the very fast and explosive receiver they passed on just put up 157 yards and 2 TDs  (garbage time or not, facts are facts) in the Super Bowl.

Infuriating.

 

 

Almost all of Worthy's production was rub routes and behind the line of scrimmage stuff. Coleman was a much better big play wr before the wrist injury. 

 

I'm concerned about Coleman after the injury but Buffalo got the better wr and deal. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

Forget Coleman's attitude. When taken in context and listened to, I'm not as concerned with the comments as some others seem to be.

What pisses ME off is that McDermott is sitting here talking about the Bills wanting to be more fast and explosive downfield at wide receiver. Like...WHAT?!

Xavier Worthy was the FASTEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE and was sitting there with the Bills on the clock. Beane galaxy brained it and traded down (with the Chiefs, no less) so that he could add...a high character rotational defensive tackle?! It just feels like such a Beane/McDermott move (and not in a good way). Veach/Reid are sitting here going "we've gotta trade up and get our QB an explosive WR", and Beane is sitting here going "meh. We can trade down and take lesser guy. Who needs speed when you can have jumping ability?".

And even IF they didn't want Worthy for whatever reasons, there were other explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker available throughout the draft. It was a VERY deep receiver draft. They took exactly ONE receiver, and it was one who notably LACKED speed and explosiveness.

So here we sit a year later, still needing speed/explosiveness downfield at wide receiver, except this year the draft isn't nearly as deep with it and the Bills have other needs. And the very fast and explosive receiver they passed on just put up 157 yards and 2 TDs  (garbage time or not, facts are facts) in the Super Bowl.

Infuriating.

 

They are a maddeningly stubborn regime at times.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

Almost all of Worthy's production was rub routes and behind the line of scrimmage stuff. Coleman was a much better big play wr before the wrist injury. 

 

I'm concerned about Coleman after the injury but Buffalo got the better wr and deal. 

 

 

No they didn’t. There’s nothing to support that other than blind homerism. Worthy looked like a future star at the end of the year. If you gave 32 GMs, that includes Beane, the chance to take one or the other, 32 take Worthy. 

[balln]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

Forget Coleman's attitude. When taken in context and listened to, I'm not as concerned with the comments as some others seem to be.

What pisses ME off is that McDermott is sitting here talking about the Bills wanting to be more fast and explosive downfield at wide receiver. Like...WHAT?!

Xavier Worthy was the FASTEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE and was sitting there with the Bills on the clock. Beane galaxy brained it and traded down (with the Chiefs, no less) so that he could add...a high character rotational defensive tackle?! It just feels like such a Beane/McDermott move (and not in a good way). Veach/Reid are sitting here going "we've gotta trade up and get our QB an explosive WR", and Beane is sitting here going "meh. We can trade down and take lesser guy. Who needs speed when you can have jumping ability?".

And even IF they didn't want Worthy for whatever reasons, there were other explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker available throughout the draft. It was a VERY deep receiver draft. They took exactly ONE receiver, and it was one who notably LACKED speed and explosiveness.

So here we sit a year later, still needing speed/explosiveness downfield at wide receiver, except this year the draft isn't nearly as deep with it and the Bills have other needs. And the very fast and explosive receiver they passed on just put up 157 yards and 2 TDs  (garbage time or not, facts are facts) in the Super Bowl.

Infuriating.

Im telling you beane and McD think / stick to that one fleeting Carolina panther run / team as a model to build a team.

 

Beane thought he had a kelvin Benjamin type player. 
 

im dead serious. It’s sad

Edited 5 hours ago by balln

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No they didn’t. There’s nothing to support that other than blind homerism. Worthy looked like a future star at the end of the year. If you gave 32 GMs, that includes Beane, the chance to take one or the other, 32 take Worthy. 

 

Look up their numbers before Colemans injury. Coleman was out playing by a decent margin. 

 

Coleman looked borderline dominant vs the Titans and Seahawks. That injury shocked him imo

 

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No they didn’t. There’s nothing to support that other than blind homerism. Worthy looked like a future star at the end of the year. If you gave 32 GMs, that includes Beane, the chance to take one or the other, 32 take Worthy. 

 

Worthy looks like a 150lb wr who gets schemed open behind the line of scrimmage.  He doesn't even play to his timed speed. I would make that trade every single time 

 

We got the better wr. That was obvious before the wrist injury. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[balln]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Look up their numbers before Colemans injury. Coleman was out playing by a decent margin. 

 

Coleman looked borderline dominant vs the Titans and Seahawks. That injury shocked him imo

 

Care more about the end of year / development to be honest 

 

seahawk game he still let a perfect ball go thru his hands on a honey hole shot on sideline. Was an awkward short armed attempt. 
 

Coleman looks incredibly awkward and out of place in the nfl offense on the outside. Eye test - he wasn’t even good at contested catches! Which I believe analytics backs

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Look up their numbers before Colemans injury. Coleman was out playing by a decent margin. 

 

Coleman looked borderline dominant vs the Titans and Seahawks. That injury shocked him imo

 

He had decent numbers despite a low catch percentage. Do you believe think that the Chiefs are using the post season press conference to talk about Worthy’s “up and down year?” Again, I appreciate the fandom but Worthy is, without question, the better receiver. Can Coleman close the gap? Hopefully. Coleman looks like a future role player and Worthy looks like prime Desean Jackson. Comparing them, at this point, is apples and oranges.

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, balln said:

Care more about the end of year / development to be honest 

 

seahawk game he still let a perfect ball go thru his hands on a honey hole shot on sideline. Was an awkward short armed attempt. 
 

Coleman looks incredibly awkward and out of place in the nfl offense on the outside. Eye test - he wasn’t even good at contested catches! Which I believe analytics backs

 

Wasn't Coleman at 48% contested catch % before the injury? That's really good if I'm not mistaken. 

 

I agree with you he needs to work on the nuances of route running. That seemed to be happening vs Seattle. I really think that poyer hit kinda shook him up

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He had decent numbers despite a low catch percentage. Do you believe think that the Chiefs are using the post season press conference to talk about Worthy’s “up and down year?” Again, I appreciate the fandom but Worthy is, without question, the better receiver. Can Coleman close the gap? Hopefully. Coleman looks like a future role player and Worthy looks like prime Desean Jackson. Comparing them, at this point, is apples and oranges.

 

Im not that impressed with Worthy man. Jackson was a much faster player on the field and I don't think worthy will last at his size. I'd give it another year before I'd panic on Coleman.

 

Everyone was really upset after the afc championship. I was pissed too

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Don Otreply]

16 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

So did Coleman but Coleman is public enemy number 1 around here.

 

Just looking for some consistency.  Injuries count in the evaluation of a player or they do not.  

 

There are many here that love to rant about guys that got injured and refuse to accept that the injuries are why the players production dropped off, it’s willful ignorance rearing its head, 

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

There are many here that love to rant about guys that got injured and refuse to accept that the injuries are why the players production dropped off, it’s willful ignorance rearing its head, 

 

It is kinda weird. All these guys were looking pretty good before the injuries. Bishop looked better later in the year too. 

 

Jury is still out tho obviously 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen