New McD comments about Coleman

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Everyone thinks they can.

 

The question you are failing to grasp is “do McBeane feel better about Coleman and also Bishop's future today or when they drafted them last year.”

 

THAT’S what is being commented on.

 

Or has either player shown any developments on the known weaknesses they displayed in college? And my answer there is no they haven't. Is it too early to say they can't? Of course it is. But ideally you'd see more signs of progress. It's a massive offseason / pre-season for both. 

[BuffaloRebound]

I thought it was kinda weird how they let coleman kinda make an a$$ out of himself in interviews right after he was drafted.  Bills media team seem to even highlight it because it was funny.  Maybe they needed a personality in the WR room once they traded Diggs, but it really did Coleman no favors putting a larger spotlight on him before he accomplished a thing in the NFL.  Almost reminds me of Mike Williams the Offensive Lineman we drafted over 20 years ago.  Do something on an NFL field first before your holding court with the media.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I thought it was kinda weird how they let coleman kinda make an a$$ out of himself in interviews right after he was drafted.  Bills media team seem to even highlight it because it was funny.  Maybe they needed a personality in the WR room once they traded Diggs, but it really did Coleman no favors putting a larger spotlight on him before he accomplished a thing in the NFL.  Almost reminds me of Mike Williams the Offensive Lineman we drafted over 20 years ago.  Do something on an NFL field first before your holding court with the media.  

 

I that is just who he is as a character. He does seem different than their usual type, but then Ed Oliver is a little bit too in a different way. 

[JP51]

14 hours ago, Beast said:

Yep.

 

That’s all I have to say about that.

I am with you Forrest!

[ALLinALLEN]

Dang I wish there was a speedster with upside there in the late first round that we could have had instead.

[RyanC883]

sounds like McD and Bean trying blame deflection here.  I'm not sure Coleman was anything but exactly what most people pegged him as pre-draft.  Unable to separate, okay at contested balls but not elite.  

[uticaclub]

19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I don’t know how to make the threads that call for a vote on things, but if I did I’d make one about how many people think a player can or cannot improve after their rookie season.

Players can improve, but our last 4 top picks Elam, Kincaid, Oliver & Groot never really improved. Oliver & Groot were NFL ready when drafted, Elam & Kincaid needed some work and neither developed.

[JP51]

2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

His body language during the final game against New England was terrible. 
Granted a meaningless game, but you’re a rookie bro.

Agreed here...  what makes me pessimistic about him is that he lacks the raw ability to create separation...  but so did Largent, Welker, heck even Andre Reed wasnt a speed merchant...  so clearly it can be done, but if you dont possess the raw freak ability you have to use your brain, refine your technique, work your craft, learn to take advantage of those attributes that you have that got you to this place...  his seemingly regressive production thru the season combined with his appearing to have his head out of the game is highly concerning to me with any player but especially one that isnt loaded with raw talent... His head and hard work are what will make him successeful... study and refining his routes.. DB tendancies etc... if he isnt going to do that... and run it back like he did at the end of the year he is done... bust. 

 

If he learns his lesson, realizes he is a young pro and everyone is super talented and goes to work on his craft and focus... then he may be good...  I think ultimately that is what Mc D is saying... "I think he will grow" in coach speak means... dude better grow and grow quick....  "How much is up to him" means... not impressed with his work ethic, he needs to focus on being a professional player in a mature way or find out there are plenty of folks out there that can do what he can and there is a warm seat right next to Kair Elam if he dont... 

[DapperCam]

I think this is just a coaching strategy, and this is the sort of messaging that they think Coleman will respond to. They want him to take the off-season seriously.

 

I wouldn’t read too far into it…

[DeltaDigital]

james hardy 2.0

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Cool.  Let him learn then.  go get Metcalf 

[jahnyc]

What McD and Beane have shared about Coleman seem to go to things that none of us are privy to, such as attitude and work ethic, which could be things like how diligent he was with rehabbing his injury to timely attendance at team or WR group meetings and overall game preparedness and focus.  We just don't know, but I think it is that kind of stuff, which is completely in his control.

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I think this is just a coaching strategy, and this is the sort of messaging that they think Coleman will respond to. They want him to take the off-season seriously.

 

I wouldn’t read too far into it…

I agree it is a coaching strategy... for sure... trying to get him to work... and refine in the offseason... as far as reading too much into it... that is where I separate... I think both Beane and McD have come out to the press and euphemistically called him out.. that is really not there modus operandi in that building, I think when it happens it means they are disappointed and serious... just may take on the underlying meaning... that said... it is the offseason and I tend to read into things LOL  

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

you know better. McD has already had a few heart to heart with Coleman before the media chews it

Yep. And that’s concerning because there’s no need for a message like that to get sent through the media if it already got through privately. 

[ddaryl]

Coleman did take a pretty hard knock to the noggin. That can linger for awhile and shave those milliseconds off your reaction time. Hopefully he comes back strong and continues where he left off pre injury

[BillsVet]

Their WR room was not set up well for a rookie last year and given his skill-set it wasn't realistic he'd win the starting job for Week 1 or later in the season.   Still, he took at least 60% of their offensive snaps in 12 of 13 games.    

 

At the same time, before the injury he had a 61% catch rate (22 receptions on 36 targets).  After returning, as @Kirby Jackson notes, it was 33% (7 of 21).  Based on that, I'd translate McD's comments to being around how he responded to the adversity of playing hurt.  

 

McBeane still deserve criticism for going into a season where they needed a developmental prospect to produce immediately as a boundary receiver.  He needed to be brought along with a better plan, which probably meant starting from the slot.  Of course, that wasn't going to happen because they had Shakir and Samuel while having nothing outside beyond Hollins and MVS.  

 

Offense is not this leadership group's strong suit.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

31 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Players can improve, but our last 4 top picks Elam, Kincaid, Oliver & Groot never really improved. Oliver & Groot were NFL ready when drafted, Elam & Kincaid needed some work and neither developed.

Goes back to the evaluation process.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Who advertised him as being big and physical?

 

Every predraft video I watched of WRs has said the exact opposite of big and physical.  

This is the NFL.com pre-draft report, which is what my expectations also were based on how he was hyped:

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/keon-coleman/3200434f-4c29-5571-54fa-77236b775ae1
 

The former star basketball player has a rebounder’s blend of extension and timing to give jump-ball defenders the blues. He’s big and strong with soft hands, but he can play with a little more aggression in claiming his deep-ball space and getting after it as a run blocker. 

 

[Ray Finkel]

13 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

A young player, both in actual age and playing experience, has to learn and improve.  The coach points that out.

 

in other breaking news water is wet.

See Eric Moulds.  I believe he didn’t do much in his first couple years.  I’m not saying he is Moulds but sometimes receivers take a little time to develop at the pro level.  I hope he develops but there are no guarantees.

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

See Eric Moulds.  I believe he didn’t do much in his first couple years.  I’m not saying he is Moulds but sometimes receivers take a little time to develop at the pro level.  I hope he develops but there are no guarantees.

Moulds could beat a jam, and could separate.  Not to mention, he returned kicks and looked athletic doing so.  

Edited 7 hours ago by Pete