New McD comments about Coleman

[Einstein]

9 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

He had four drops on the whole season.  I guess that qualifies as "numerous".  

 

No, he had far more than that.

 

Youre quoting drop statistics, which is not an official NFL stat and is therefore almost impossible to accurately track. Sites try, but the number is often wrong because there is no consensus on what is considered a drop. In reality he had close to double that if you actually watch the games.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Bernard barely played as a rookie as he was still behind Edmunds

 

He played once and I think he played the Will from memory (might have that wrong) and I think it was v the Jets.... he was not good. To be honest he was not having a great camp when he got hurt in 2023 (Dodson was ahead in the competition at the time, but played himself out of the job with pre-season struggles). He was a really pleasant surprise when the season started and he came out of the gate hot. I don't think he has quite sustained the heights of those first 8 games of 2023.... but he is still an above average starter at the spot. 

[uticaclub]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

It was that way looking forward as well…

 

 

Weren’t any of you here for Moulds?  
Sometimes I wonder if most of the fans here are recent bandwagoners - mixed in with old fans with dementia…🤣

Moulds showed flashes returning kicks & punts while Reed was still the primary WR. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

His body language during the final game against New England was terrible. 
Granted a meaningless game, but you’re a rookie bro.

[Pete]

11 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Coleman had more yards and TD's in his first 8 games than Diggs had in his last 8 games.  I saw enough from Coleman to think there's plenty there to work with.  No he didn't look great post injury but he looked pretty good before the injury and I'd sign up for 17 games of that in season 2.

Like Beane says, your last game shows where your team needs improvement.  Keon played 39 snaps, 53% of Bills possessions.  What did Keon do to help us win against the Chiefs?  Its about how you finish

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

No, he had far more than that.

 

Youre quoting drop statistics, which is not an official NFL stat and is therefore almost impossible to accurately track. Sites try, but the number is often wrong because there is no consensus on what is considered a drop. In reality he had close to double that if you actually watch the games.

 

PFR assigns him four drops, PFF credits him with five. I get there is some subjectivity but true drops I think it is that range. But he caught 50.9% of his targets, and some of that is exactly what I said about his college film - for a guy who does not separate and therefore ends up with a lot of contested balls he is not good enough in contested catch scenarios. 

[Pete]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

PFR assigns him four drops, PFF credits him with five. I get there is some subjectivity but true drops I think it is that range. But he caught 50.9% of his targets, and some of that is exactly what I said about his college film - for a guy who does not separate and therefore ends up with a lot of contested balls he is not good enough in contested catch scenarios. 

do you get bonus points for getting hit in the back of the helmet of pass intended for you?

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

do you get bonus points for getting hit in the back of the helmet of pass intended for you?

 

Well, quite... that isn't a drop but it is certainly a ball that not only could but should have been a catch. It was probably a TD too if he caught it. It was a good call and a fine throw. Keon just has to get his head round. There was green grass for days between the split safeties if he caught it. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Come on, this is a tired narrative. They’re all “his guy” , there’s no need to manufacture a hierarchy that doesn’t exist. 

I think there’s definitely players he pounds the table for. 

[86poker]

Damn you guys are being rough on Coleman.  He was building momentum after the Titans/Seahawks games then took a shot from Poyer that took him out for 4 weeks.

 

I know post injury he was below average but if you told me before the season started that he would have 556 yards 4 TD's with a 19.2Y/R while missing 4 games with a wrist injury I would have been very happy with that

 

Remember there are guys like Davante Adams, Roddy White and our own Eric Moulds that took a couple seasons to put it together.  Let's give this kid a chance, let him have his first NFL offseason, see what year 2 brings before we write him off

 

 

[Fan in Chicago]

12 minutes ago, 86poker said:

 

Remember there are guys like Davante Adams, Roddy White and our own Eric Moulds that took a couple seasons to put it together.  Let's give this kid a chance, let him have his first NFL offseason, see what year 2 brings before we write him off

 

 

McD knows the details so I don't mind his comments about Coleman. He is a kid and likely got carried away with all the media and fan attention to his early press conferences. And that's what McD is referring to - put a lot of effort in what brought you here (WR skill and potential). Year 2 is when we truly judge the picks. Will he put in the effort? Can he overcome the limitations in his game? I am not at all writing him off yet. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Fan in Chicago

[oldmanfan]

I swear there are some who look for reasons to be pessimistic about the Bills.  Coleman had a rookie season where he made some good plays and bad plays.  He needs to continue working on improving and that’s what his coach is saying.  Imagine that.

 

Not every single rookie comes into the league and immediately sets it on fire.  

[BillsPride12]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I swear there are some who look for reasons to be pessimistic about the Bills.  Coleman had a rookie season where he made some good plays and bad plays.  He needs to continue working on improving and that’s what his coach is saying.  Imagine that.

 

Not every single rookie comes into the league and immediately sets it on fire.  

I think seeing as fans know during these press conferences they are getting a lot of "coach speak" they take these blanket statements and look for underlying narratives and then they go and blow them way out of proportion like McDermott is secretly calling out Coleman in front of the whole world.  

[Back2Buff]

12 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

To me, what was disappointing was Coleman just wasn’t as big and physical as advertised. 
 

I get that he doesn’t have the speed or separation. But he was supposed to be a big physical jump ball guy. Seeing Trent McDuffie (who is like 6 inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter) just manhandle and out-physical him in the AFCCG was not great. 

 

Who advertised him as being big and physical?

 

Every predraft video I watched of WRs has said the exact opposite of big and physical.  

[Einstein]

56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

PFR assigns him four drops, PFF credits him with five. I get there is some subjectivity but true drops I think it is that range.

 

Yes, if we’re talking about no defender interaction, then it probably is around four or five. But I consider a drop anything that hit your hands and should reasonably be caught. I really don’t care if it defender hits your hands. That’s his job. Your job as an NFL player is to catch the ball regardless of what the defender is doing. so unless you’re interfered with… if that ball hit your hands, you better catch it.

 

56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But he caught 50.9% of his targets, and some of that is exactly what I said about his college film - for a guy who does not separate and therefore ends up with a lot of contested balls he is not good enough in contested catch scenarios. 

 

I had hope after that Seattle game. But that hope quickly diminished.

11 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Who advertised him as being big and physical?

 

Every predraft video I watched of WRs has said the exact opposite of big and physical.  

 

so you’re saying, we drafted a small, non-physical WR that is also slow and can’t seperate!?

[Chaos]

Poor Coleman, being groomed to be scapegoat. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

He's right.

 

We'll see how it plays out next season.

 

...And 40 threads between now and then....

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Poor Coleman, being groomed to be scapegoat. 

 

Not being groomed to be anything. He is who he is and has always been. We can hope a switch goes on at some point and he becomes a different player - but it's just that - hope. 

[oldmanfan]

I don’t know how to make the threads that call for a vote on things, but if I did I’d make one about how many people think a player can or cannot improve after their rookie season.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I don’t know how to make the threads that call for a vote on things, but if I did I’d make one about how many people think a player can or cannot improve after their rookie season.

Everyone thinks they can.

 

The question you are failing to grasp is “do McBeane feel better about Coleman and also Bishop's future today or when they drafted them last year.”

 

THAT’S what is being commented on.