New McD comments about Coleman

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

This is because of Josh. It is all because of Josh.

 

They need to do their part to get this team to a championship because he cannot do it on his own. 

 

This team would be putrid without Josh. And that is indicative of how terrible a job these guys have done. 

Do we forget the 2023 season with Ken Dorsey as OC and the team was 6-6 and McD fired that OC?

 

Josh Allen is great and Diggs was getting a lot of catches and yet the team wasn't winning with losses to the NY Jets, Jags, Broncos, Patriots, Bengals, and Eagles. McD changing the OC midseason was met with much skepticism...and yet after the team went on a 6 game tear and overcame the Dolphins to win the division again.

 

As much as I love Josh Allen the team is much more balanced now with a strong running game which helps the QB a lot. As great as Josh Allen is at times he no longer needs to put on his cape every game to make plays. Much fewer offensive turnovers and the 2024 Buffalo Bills set a new franchise scoring record. And yes, the Bills need a better backup QB...like drafting that kid from Syracuse...just a thought. Also, gotta remember that McD made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB...

 

With a better pass rush, they probably win the SB 2024. 

[Jay_Fixit]

I think Coleman will be a very solid player for Buffalo. 
 

 

[Just in Atlanta]

4 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

How?

McD and Beane draft a kid who can’t separate, who only won 33% of his contested catches against ACC competition, who only runs a 4.61, and who has limited route running skills, and act like hard work will overcome his deficiencies.

 

Feels like McD and Beane know they reached on a fringe NFL player and are now setting up the excuse.

Coleman was widely considered a starter WR2 ... yes, with speed limitations ... but also with extraordinary disputed ball skills and toughness. Many analysts were excited about him. His productivity dipped and Bills leadership called him out. Why should you have a problem with that?

 

Justin Jeffersons and Randy Mosses don't grow on trees. We took a swing on a WR2, it's probable that the move will still pan out after his rookie season.

 

On another note, no WR on this team had big stats. And we're the No. 1 scoring team in the NFL. 

[Kelly to Allen]

23 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Do we forget the 2023 season with Ken Dorsey as OC and the team was 6-6 and McD fired that OC?

 

Josh Allen is great and Diggs was getting a lot of catches and yet the team wasn't winning with losses to the NY Jets, Jags, Broncos, Patriots, Bengals, and Eagles. McD changing the OC midseason was met with much skepticism...and yet after the team went on a 6 game tear and overcame the Dolphins to win the division again.

 

As much as I love Josh Allen the team is much more balanced now with a strong running game which helps the QB a lot. As great as Josh Allen is at times he no longer needs to put on his cape every game to make plays. Much fewer offensive turnovers and the 2024 Buffalo Bills set a new franchise scoring record. And yes, the Bills need a better backup QB...like drafting that kid from Syracuse...just a thought. Also, gotta remember that McD made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB...

 

With a better pass rush, they probably win the SB 2024. 

 

The offense has never been a issue despite changing philosophy. They were largely 6-6 because of one terrible game by Josh vs the jets but the defense was giving games away late, and the special teams vs Denver. 

 

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be balanced, or that Dorsey was fine. He wasn't. 

 

But the general problem has been a catastrophic collapse on defense in the playoffs and mid to below avg pass rush. 

 

The defense was not really good in 20 or 24. They won 13 games both seasons. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He’s listening.

 

 

[uticaclub]

25 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Do we forget the 2023 season with Ken Dorsey as OC and the team was 6-6 and McD fired that OC?

 

Josh Allen is great and Diggs was getting a lot of catches and yet the team wasn't winning with losses to the NY Jets, Jags, Broncos, Patriots, Bengals, and Eagles. McD changing the OC midseason was met with much skepticism...and yet after the team went on a 6 game tear and overcame the Dolphins to win the division again.

 

As much as I love Josh Allen the team is much more balanced now with a strong running game which helps the QB a lot. As great as Josh Allen is at times he no longer needs to put on his cape every game to make plays. Much fewer offensive turnovers and the 2024 Buffalo Bills set a new franchise scoring record. And yes, the Bills need a better backup QB...like drafting that kid from Syracuse...just a thought. Also, gotta remember that McD made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB...

 

With a better pass rush, they probably win the SB 2024. 

Allen left the field with a lead in 4 of those games. 

[Gregg]

45 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Do we forget the 2023 season with Ken Dorsey as OC and the team was 6-6 and McD fired that OC?

 

Josh Allen is great and Diggs was getting a lot of catches and yet the team wasn't winning with losses to the NY Jets, Jags, Broncos, Patriots, Bengals, and Eagles. McD changing the OC midseason was met with much skepticism...and yet after the team went on a 6 game tear and overcame the Dolphins to win the division again.

 

As much as I love Josh Allen the team is much more balanced now with a strong running game which helps the QB a lot. As great as Josh Allen is at times he no longer needs to put on his cape every game to make plays. Much fewer offensive turnovers and the 2024 Buffalo Bills set a new franchise scoring record. And yes, the Bills need a better backup QB...like drafting that kid from Syracuse...just a thought. Also, gotta remember that McD made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB...

 

With a better pass rush, they probably win the SB 2024. 

 

I don't know about that. The Bills run defense isn't that great. Barkley behind that OL would have given the Bills fits.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

We are going in circles with this regime. We start out by getting rid of Sammy Watkins and roll with Zay Jones, Andre Holmes and other scrubs. Then make a trade for Kelvin Benjamin because we need a #1. Then we need speed downfield so they add John Brown. Then we determined we still needed a number 1 and they traded for Diggs with a pick in a draft that featured Justin Jefferson. Then they determine we need more size etc and the add Gabe Davis. Beasley goes and they want a more explosive slot so McKenzie takes over and is awful so they find Shakir. Diggs is a drama queen, so we don't need a number 1 anymore, everyone eats in the offense where route running and precision are the key. Then they draft a guy with big upside, but struggles with route running and precision. Then they determine we still actually do need a number 1 and trade for Amari Cooper after trying like hell to get Cooper Kupp. After the season it is determined that we do not have any downfield stretchers and we need to add deep speed, oh and we still need a #1. Full circle. 

 

Conclusion...these guys don't know what the hell they are doing. 

 

They haven't made made a concerted effort to really invest at the position. Last year's draft and FA class was a prime year to really rebuild the room and they blew it. The last time they made a real effort was the 2019 and 2020 offseasons, and unsurprisingly that resulted in the best passing offense of Allen's career. But since 2020 they have neglected the position more than any team in the NFL and now here we are with just three WRs on the roster and zero that can definitely start outside.

 

I keep waiting for Beane to learn his lesson but he hasn't. He let the pipeline run dry after 2020, handed Gabe Davis a role he wasn't worthy of, then took just one WR in a historically good class despite losing the top 2 from the year prior. One of these offseasons he is going to have to sacrifice the DeWayne Carters and Austin Johnsons of the NFL world and just over-invest in the WR position to get it right. And after it's in a great spot, keep investing. And then invest some more.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s listening.

 

 

😐

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I think Coleman will be a very solid player for Buffalo. 
 

 

Solid yes, but I just don't see him being what We want, and need him to be. This offense still must create a threat down the field.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Hey, if Ogie Oglethorpe can come back from a very trying rookie season, Keon can!!!

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Coleman was widely considered a starter WR2 ... yes, with speed limitations ... but also with extraordinary disputed ball skills and toughness. Many analysts were excited about him. His productivity dipped and Bills leadership called him out. Why should you have a problem with that?

 

Justin Jeffersons and Randy Mosses don't grow on trees. We took a swing on a WR2, it's probable that the move will still pan out after his rookie season.

 

On another note, no WR on this team had big stats. And we're the No. 1 scoring team in the NFL. 

But teams will adjust this year. We still need help on the outside.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s where I’m at. It sucks that WR is still one of the biggest needs on the team. My frustration stems from the fact that last year was, arguably, the best WR draft ever. WR was at the top of the Bills list of needs. They had an extra 2025 2nd to work with if needed. They probably needed 2 guys but certainly needed one at the top of the depth chart. I realize that’s a lot to ask of a rookie, but that’s what the need was. They left the draft, with a project, who regressed (yes he was injured) and a year later, that guy isn’t guaranteed a starting spot. Depending on how things shake out, he will be a role player. That’s horrendous execution by the football ops staff. They could have done lots and been okay at WR. Instead, they traded a 3rd, a few months later to rent Cooper. Regardless of where Coleman ends up, that whole process was a fail. 

Well I am not sure it was a fail, because i don't know what the goals were.

Like others here, I expected Much more WR from the draft than Coleman. sorry Dude. Prove me wrong , please !
Unfortunately the Bills WR experiment was not a rousing success by any means either. And certainly the draft was not what i expected or wished for ! I wanted two WRs and one early as doable.

 

Now I think they need one very specific type from the draft ( would like to get a 4-5 year outside guy with wheels and hands )

 Go deep and I'll chuck it over your head. You run full speed and get it !

 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

Well I am not sure it was a fail, because i don't know what the goals were.

Like others here, I expected Much more WR from the draft than Coleman. sorry Dude. Prove me wrong , please !
Unfortunately the Bills WR experiment was not a rousing success by any means either. And certainly the draft was not what i expected or wished for ! I wanted two WRs and one early as doable.

 

Now I think they need one very specific type from the draft ( would like to get a 4-5 year outside guy with wheels and hands )

 Go deep and I'll chuck it over your head. You run full speed and get it !

 

I expect Beane might try and bring Cooper back, and then probably a mid-round flyer on someone with speed. I have as much confidence in his ability to get it right as I do that he will find elite talent on the DL. For all the solid achievement of the team, they are amazingly frustrating. 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, billieve420 said:

 

Hopefully Coleman is working with someone in the offseason on how to get in and out of his breaks quicker. Strength and the other stuff will come in time as he develops. He is just not winning off the line of scrimmage at this point. Some of that is him getting acclimated to the pro game and gaining experience. However, some of it is just bad footwork.

Get with Moulds and Shakir this offseason. Said it before and I will say it again.

 Steve Smith is onto something here

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Well I am not sure it was a fail, because i don't know what the goals were.

Like others here, I expected Much more WR from the draft than Coleman. sorry Dude. Prove me wrong , please !
Unfortunately the Bills WR experiment was not a rousing success by any means either. And certainly the draft was not what i expected or wished for ! I wanted two WRs and one early as doable.

 

Now I think they need one very specific type from the draft ( would like to get a 4-5 year outside guy with wheels and hands )

 Go deep and I'll chuck it over your head. You run full speed and get it !

 

I look at Colemans limitations physically then his production and I see it as a fail to this point. For all him being funny, he didn't produce the way we felt he should.  I look at other WR's taken, Esp. BTJ who we could have traded up for, and his season was a disappointment.  The greatest disappointment, which was highlighted by McDermott, is how he responded after injury. This isn't College, you gotta toughen up and play through.

 

But we will see. As Beane said today, he is just 21, but a 2nd season of not producing and its not going to be pretty.  

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s listening.

 

 

Who is that training him ?

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s listening.

 

 

 

This is what boggles my mind. Last offseaon there were a bunch of videos like this. And already early in the offseason he is working with a private WR coach taking no time off. And like I said I had heard he has a good work ethic which is part of why I liked him as a prospect. So what happened after his injury? The comments from Beane and McDermott indicate that he didn't put enough effort into his rehab. He went from being a player that had a video clip of his physical dominance in Seattle go viral, to a player that was getting pushed around by small Trent McDuffie. I really just don't understand it but hopefully he'll get his upwards trajectory back on track after a focused offseason.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Who is that training him ?

 

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

They haven't made made a concerted effort to really invest at the position. Last year's draft and FA class was a prime year to really rebuild the room and they blew it. The last time they made a real effort was the 2019 and 2020 offseasons, and unsurprisingly that resulted in the best passing offense of Allen's career. But since 2020 they have neglected the position more than any team in the NFL and now here we are with just three WRs on the roster and zero that can definitely start outside.

 

I keep waiting for Beane to learn his lesson but he hasn't. He let the pipeline run dry after 2020, handed Gabe Davis a role he wasn't worthy of, then took just one WR in a historically good class despite losing the top 2 from the year prior. One of these offseasons he is going to have to sacrifice the DeWayne Carters and Austin Johnsons of the NFL world and just over-invest in the WR position to get it right. And after it's in a great spot, keep investing. And then invest some more.

You think Brady aint in his and Coaches ear already ? Telling him whats missing ? What Josh needs.

 I expect Brady to continue his trending up with Bills offense and Josh. Getting closer.

They better pick wisely this draft for WR. Because I want a few sincere starters on defense from the offseason.