New McD comments about Coleman

[Kelly to Allen]

38 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess where I land is what actually happened to this point not what might happen. “I expect Coleman to get better and Worthy to get hurt.” I’m not making any judgements on what might happen. Based on what has happened, there isn’t a team in the league, including the Bills, that would take Coleman over Worthy as of today. Could that change in the future? Sure. Right now, Worthy looks like a future star catching 19 of 21 playoff targets for 287 yards and 3 TDs. Coleman looks like a guy that had a lot of concerns coming in and hasn’t done anything to ease those concerns. 

 

I'll agree with you on this. Coleman isn't preventing me from going Golden or The Ohio state wr Rd 1 or 2

[appoo]

34 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah, I am with you and it is the ultimate team game. But as good as the o-line was and Cook and Shakir are, take Josh out and this team maybe isn't even .500. 

 

They have not done a good job of building this thing. I know I am a hater, but I truly feel that if this regime did not luck into Josh they would be on the street. 

You realize McDermott won 9 games and broke the drought with Tyrod freakin Taylor? And won 10 games with 2nd year Josh?

 

I don’t know why Bills fans insist on doing this stuff

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I'll agree with you on this. Coleman isn't preventing me from going Golden or The Ohio state wr Rd 1 or 2

That’s where I’m at. It sucks that WR is still one of the biggest needs on the team. My frustration stems from the fact that last year was, arguably, the best WR draft ever. WR was at the top of the Bills list of needs. They had an extra 2025 2nd to work with if needed. They probably needed 2 guys but certainly needed one at the top of the depth chart. I realize that’s a lot to ask of a rookie, but that’s what the need was. They left the draft, with a project, who regressed (yes he was injured) and a year later, that guy isn’t guaranteed a starting spot. Depending on how things shake out, he will be a role player. That’s horrendous execution by the football ops staff. They could have done lots and been okay at WR. Instead, they traded a 3rd, a few months later to rent Cooper. Regardless of where Coleman ends up, that whole process was a fail. 

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s where I’m at. It sucks that WR is still one of the biggest needs on the team. My frustration stems from the fact that last year was, arguably, the best WR draft ever. WR was at the top of the Bills list of needs. They had an extra 2025 2nd to work with if needed. They probably needed 2 guys but certainly needed one at the top of the depth chart. I realize that’s a lot to ask of a rookie, but that’s what the need was. They left the draft, with a project, who regressed (yes he was injured) and a year later, that guy isn’t guaranteed a starting spot. Depending on how things shake out, he will be a role player. That’s horrendous execution by the football ops staff. They could have done lots and been okay at WR. Instead, they traded a 3rd, a few months later to rent Cooper. Regardless of where Coleman ends up, that whole process was a fail. 

 

I absolutely love golden from Texas, even in Rd 1. 

 

If we signed Hollywood brown, and drafted Golden, now we're talking!

 

Hollywood 

Golden 

Shakir 

Coleman 

Samuel 

Hollins 

 

I feel like this would take some pressure off Coleman and allow him to be a big target big play guy as wr4/3

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah, I am with you and it is the ultimate team game. But as good as the o-line was and Cook and Shakir are, take Josh out and this team maybe isn't even .500. 

 

They have not done a good job of building this thing. I know I am a hater, but I truly feel that if this regime did not luck into Josh they would be on the street. 

 

It depends who the alternative to Josh is, right? If they had taken Baker Mayfield (in a world where Cleveland takes Josh).... I think they'd have won some divisions and might have a playoff win or two. If they'd taken Josh Rosen they'd be out of a job. If they'd taken Lamar Jackson, they'd still be here. If they'd passed on drafting a guy and signed Kirk Cousins who was the big ticket FA that year they'd be in a similar place to with Mayfield. 

[MrEpsYtown]

15 minutes ago, appoo said:

You realize McDermott won 9 games and broke the drought with Tyrod freakin Taylor? And won 10 games with 2nd year Josh?

 

I don’t know why Bills fans insist on doing this stuff

 

Yep, been here for all of it and just saying what I see and feel. What they did 8 years ago does not give them a lifetime pass. 

Edited 3 hours ago by MrEpsYtown

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I absolutely love golden from Texas, even in Rd 1. 

 

If we signed Hollywood brown, and drafted Golden, now we're talking!

 

Hollywood 

Golden 

Shakir 

Coleman 

Samuel 

Hollins 

 

I feel like this would take some pressure off Coleman and allow him to be a big target big play guy as wr4/3

That would be a much better WR room

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

whatever.   Bills led the freakin league in scoring and set the team record for offense.   

 

mostly without Coleman.   

 

so any lift in Coleman's performance is gravy on top and I'll take it. 

That's great. Problem is, they coudn't score enough when it mattered.

 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I’m a tad worried about that OL.

 

Being unable to get 1 yard numerous times against the Chiefs is yuck

Always going left is more of an issue imo…

 

Also, we did get it.. but I understand your point. 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Always going left is more of an issue imo…

 

Also, we did get it.. but I understand your point. 

Agreed. Brady deserves some of that blame too.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Or has either player shown any developments on the known weaknesses they displayed in college? And my answer there is no they haven't. Is it too early to say they can't? Of course it is. But ideally you'd see more signs of progress. It's a massive offseason / pre-season for both. 

 

At least with Coleman there was a two game stretch before his injury where he flashed his potential. Bishop never flashed at all.

[TheBeaneBandit]

22 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I absolutely love golden from Texas, even in Rd 1. 

 

If we signed Hollywood brown, and drafted Golden, now we're talking!

 

Hollywood 

Golden 

Shakir 

Coleman 

Samuel 

Hollins 

 

I feel like this would take some pressure off Coleman and allow him to be a big target big play guy as wr4/3

Molson Golden for the TD!!! Sign me up! If we stay at 30 I think all the dlinemen I like will be gone anyways.

[2003Contenders]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

Almost all of Worthy's production was rub routes and behind the line of scrimmage stuff. Coleman was a much better big play wr before the wrist injury. 

 

I'm concerned about Coleman after the injury but Buffalo got the better wr and deal. 

 

 

Interesting take about the pre-injury Coleman vs the post-injury Coleman and how he stacked up against Worthy.

 

At the time of the injury, as I referenced earlier Coleman had:

35 targets/22 receptions (62.9%) for 417 yards and 3 TDs, He averaged 11.9 yards per target and 18.95 yards per reception.

 

Meanwhile, Worthy had the following stats at that time:

37 targets/19 receptions (51.35%) for 235 yards and  3 TDs. He averaged 6.35 yards per target and  12.37 yards per reception.

 

So indeed Coleman was noticeably more productive pre-injury (at least in the passing game). On 2 fewer targets, he had 3 more receptions and nearly 200 more yards receiving than Worthy.

 

Granted, Worthy turned it on more in 2nd half of the season (and in the playoffs). But on the full season, despite his hyped 40-time, his average yard per reception (10.8) dwarfed that of Coleman (19.2). I know he was very productive in the playoffs against the Bills and Eagles -- but how much of that was because the Bills fielded a MASH unit in the secondary, and virtually all of Worthy's production came after the Eagles had the game well in hand?

[Buffalo Ballin]

Why didn't Sean McDermott apply these same comments to himself when he looks at the mirror?

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Respectfully disagree. Mahomes got hurt they were fine with Chad freakin Henne. Tom Brady out for the year and the Pats make the playoffs with Matt Cassell. Even the Ravens were fine when Lamar was out. I am saying this team is probably picking #1 overall if Josh was out. That's how good he is and that's how bad the roster is without him. I love the Bills, and love this team, but in my opinion, this item is not talented. 

Respectfully I’ll bow out here.  As you said above you’re a hater.  No sense conversing with someone who will spin everything towards a negative agenda.

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

At least with Coleman there was a two game stretch before his injury where he flashed his potential. Bishop never flashed at all.

 

He did and in fairness to Keon it was the only two games I think they worked out what he is. Unfortunately by the time he returned they had gotten away from Coop for whatever reason and he was back to being their main boundary threat and he is never going to be that.

[MikePJ76]

Are we going to add beane’s comments today about Coleman?  Or since they are not negative will they just be overlooked?  
 

gee I wonder which it will be.

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Are we going to add beane’s comments today about Coleman?  Or since they are not negative will they just be overlooked?  
 

gee I wonder which it will be.

I didn’t see today. What did he say? Here are his end of the season comments: https://sports.yahoo.com/bills-brandon-beane-little-disappointed-161547441.html#:~:text=During his end-of-season,about Coleman's final six games.

[billieve420]

2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Not sure if anybody posted the link but here is the rookie season review from Steve Smith 

 

As soon as I started to see people painting murals of him and Josh and the memes with Keon replacing Stefon Diggs I knew his rookie season would be a letdown. 
He has potential but he was never going to come right in and be a number one receiver. He’s not Brian Thomas Jr. 

If only….

 

Hopefully Coleman is working with someone in the offseason on how to get in and out of his breaks quicker. Strength and the other stuff will come in time as he develops. He is just not winning off the line of scrimmage at this point. Some of that is him getting acclimated to the pro game and gaining experience. However, some of it is just bad footwork.

[DCofNC]

5 hours ago, Ray Finkel said:

See Eric Moulds.  I believe he didn’t do much in his first couple years.  I’m not saying he is Moulds but sometimes receivers take a little time to develop at the pro level.  I hope he develops but there are no guarantees.

The difference, Moulds was an athlete who needed to learn the game.  Unfortunately, in todays produce now league, nobody is waiting for that.  Coleman needs to improve a lot and fast.