New McD comments about Coleman

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Not sure if anybody posted the link but here is the rookie season review from Steve Smith 

 

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

I haven't given up on Coleman yet.

Perhaps the FO and fans put too much expectation on the young man coming in. He is a project in process and i give him a pass on that for his rookie season, however, if next season is not looking like adequate progression, then it's time to re-evaluate him going forward.

As soon as I started to see people painting murals of him and Josh and the memes with Keon replacing Stefon Diggs I knew his rookie season would be a letdown. 
He has potential but he was never going to come right in and be a number one receiver. He’s not Brian Thomas Jr. 

If only….

[MrEpsYtown]

37 minutes ago, Logic said:

Forget Coleman's attitude. When taken in context and listened to, I'm not as concerned with the comments as some others seem to be.

What pisses ME off is that McDermott is sitting here talking about the Bills wanting to be more fast and explosive downfield at wide receiver. Like...WHAT?!

Xavier Worthy was the FASTEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE and was sitting there with the Bills on the clock. Beane galaxy brained it and traded down (with the Chiefs, no less) so that he could add...a high character rotational defensive tackle?! It just feels like such a Beane/McDermott move (and not in a good way). Veach/Reid are sitting here going "we've gotta trade up and get our QB an explosive WR", and Beane is sitting here going "meh. We can trade down and take lesser guy. Who needs speed when you can have jumping ability?".

And even IF they didn't want Worthy for whatever reasons, there were other explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker available throughout the draft. It was a VERY deep receiver draft. They took exactly ONE receiver, and it was one who notably LACKED speed and explosiveness.

So here we sit a year later, still needing speed/explosiveness downfield at wide receiver, except this year the draft isn't nearly as deep with it and the Bills have other needs. And the very fast and explosive receiver they passed on just put up 157 yards and 2 TDs  (garbage time or not, facts are facts) in the Super Bowl.

Infuriating.

 

We are going in circles with this regime. We start out by getting rid of Sammy Watkins and roll with Zay Jones, Andre Holmes and other scrubs. Then make a trade for Kelvin Benjamin because we need a #1. Then we need speed downfield so they add John Brown. Then we determined we still needed a number 1 and they traded for Diggs with a pick in a draft that featured Justin Jefferson. Then they determine we need more size etc and the add Gabe Davis. Beasley goes and they want a more explosive slot so McKenzie takes over and is awful so they find Shakir. Diggs is a drama queen, so we don't need a number 1 anymore, everyone eats in the offense where route running and precision are the key. Then they draft a guy with big upside, but struggles with route running and precision. Then they determine we still actually do need a number 1 and trade for Amari Cooper after trying like hell to get Cooper Kupp. After the season it is determined that we do not have any downfield stretchers and we need to add deep speed, oh and we still need a #1. Full circle. 

 

Conclusion...these guys don't know what the hell they are doing. 

Edited 5 hours ago by MrEpsYtown

[oldmanfan]

Top ten offense, second in points.  Can always get better, but not knowing what the hell they’re doing?  Get outta here.

[Lost]

36 minutes ago, Logic said:

Forget Coleman's attitude. When taken in context and listened to, I'm not as concerned with the comments as some others seem to be.

What pisses ME off is that McDermott is sitting here talking about the Bills wanting to be more fast and explosive downfield at wide receiver. Like...WHAT?!

Xavier Worthy was the FASTEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE and was sitting there with the Bills on the clock. Beane galaxy brained it and traded down (with the Chiefs, no less) so that he could add...a high character rotational defensive tackle?! It just feels like such a Beane/McDermott move (and not in a good way). Veach/Reid are sitting here going "we've gotta trade up and get our QB an explosive WR", and Beane is sitting here going "meh. We can trade down and take lesser guy. Who needs speed when you can have jumping ability?".

And even IF they didn't want Worthy for whatever reasons, there were other explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker available throughout the draft. It was a VERY deep receiver draft. They took exactly ONE receiver, and it was one who notably LACKED speed and explosiveness.

So here we sit a year later, still needing speed/explosiveness downfield at wide receiver, except this year the draft isn't nearly as deep with it and the Bills have other needs. And the very fast and explosive receiver they passed on just put up 157 yards and 2 TDs  (garbage time or not, facts are facts) in the Super Bowl.

Infuriating.

 

Still can't believe Brian Thomas Jr was sitting there at 24 and coulda been had with a modest trade up.   I'll take his immediate production over whatever hodge podge of mid talent we got for trading down to take Coleman.   I swear Beane must do all of his shopping on Temu.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

41 minutes ago, Logic said:

Forget Coleman's attitude. When taken in context and listened to, I'm not as concerned with the comments as some others seem to be.

What pisses ME off is that McDermott is sitting here talking about the Bills wanting to be more fast and explosive downfield at wide receiver. Like...WHAT?!

Xavier Worthy was the FASTEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE and was sitting there with the Bills on the clock. Beane galaxy brained it and traded down (with the Chiefs, no less) so that he could add...a high character rotational defensive tackle?! It just feels like such a Beane/McDermott move (and not in a good way). Veach/Reid are sitting here going "we've gotta trade up and get our QB an explosive WR", and Beane is sitting here going "meh. We can trade down and take lesser guy. Who needs speed when you can have jumping ability?".

And even IF they didn't want Worthy for whatever reasons, there were other explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker available throughout the draft. It was a VERY deep receiver draft. They took exactly ONE receiver, and it was one who notably LACKED speed and explosiveness.

So here we sit a year later, still needing speed/explosiveness downfield at wide receiver, except this year the draft isn't nearly as deep with it and the Bills have other needs. And the very fast and explosive receiver they passed on just put up 157 yards and 2 TDs  (garbage time or not, facts are facts) in the Super Bowl.

Infuriating.

🤷‍♂️

[MrEpsYtown]

19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Top ten offense, second in points.  

 

This is because of Josh. It is all because of Josh.

 

They need to do their part to get this team to a championship because he cannot do it on his own. 

 

This team would be putrid without Josh. And that is indicative of how terrible a job these guys have done. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

What we know is that we have the best QB in the NFL and a Top 3 OL returning.

I’m a tad worried about that OL.

 

Being unable to get 1 yard numerous times against the Chiefs is yuck

[Mango]

17 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

whatever.   Bills led the freakin league in scoring and set the team record for offense.   

 

mostly without Coleman.   

 

so any lift in Coleman's performance is gravy on top and I'll take it. 

Or Amari Cooper for that matter. 
 

“But Josh Allen isn’t the MVP” -the internet

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Wasn't Coleman at 48% contested catch % before the injury? That's really good if I'm not mistaken. 

 

I agree with you he needs to work on the nuances of route running. That seemed to be happening vs Seattle. I really think that poyer hit kinda shook him up

 

Im not that impressed with Worthy man. Jackson was a much faster player on the field and I don't think worthy will last at his size. I'd give it another year before I'd panic on Coleman.

 

Everyone was really upset after the afc championship. I was pissed too

I guess where I land is what actually happened to this point not what might happen. “I expect Coleman to get better and Worthy to get hurt.” I’m not making any judgements on what might happen. Based on what has happened, there isn’t a team in the league, including the Bills, that would take Coleman over Worthy as of today. Could that change in the future? Sure. Right now, Worthy looks like a future star catching 19 of 21 playoff targets for 287 yards and 3 TDs. Coleman looks like a guy that had a lot of concerns coming in and hasn’t done anything to ease those concerns. 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

This is because of Josh. It is all because of Josh.

 

They need to do their part to get this team to a championship because he cannot do it on his own. 

 

This team would be putrid without Josh. And that is indicative of how terrible a job these guys have done. 

No it is not ALL because of Josh.  Cook, Shakir, the O line.  We have a great QB yes, but it is a team game.

[MrEpsYtown]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No it is not ALL because of Josh.  Cook, Shakir, the O line.  We have a great QB yes, but it is a team game.

 

Yeah, I am with you and it is the ultimate team game. But as good as the o-line was and Cook and Shakir are, take Josh out and this team maybe isn't even .500. 

 

They have not done a good job of building this thing. I know I am a hater, but I truly feel that if this regime did not luck into Josh they would be on the street. 

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

So you’re saying we have the Trent edwards of wide receivers … awesome 

I am not saying that, but it’s possible I suppose.  I think Coleman was a bit skittish after getting lit up and injured.  I don’t know if he can overcome that, but I think many players get that welcome to the NFL moment and then recover.  I don’t know for sure what McDermott is alluding to regarding how Coleman came back - could be what I said or could be he didn’t do a great job staying in shape or studying while he was out with the injury.  Could also be that his wrist really was still bothering him when he returned.

 

I was not a fan of the Coleman pick at all, but he was showing flashes before the injury.  I suspect that he may never be the X receiver they drafted him to be, but it’s possible that he still can be a decent starter - maybe at Z.  I don’t want to count on him coming through next year, but I haven’t given up hope that he can be decent.  Problem is that it’s a poor WR draft class (there are some slot guys, but they already have that in Shakir).  I know that there may be some decent receivers who come out of this draft, but unless they grab Golden or Egbuka in round 1, I’d be inclined to lean into the strong class of DT, DE, possibly S and maybe even RB and not take wild shots in this weak WR group.  Just my longtime fan opinion, doesn’t mean I’m necessarily right.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, balln said:

Im telling you beane and McD think / stick to that one fleeting Carolina panther run / team as a model to build a team.

 

Beane thought he had a kelvin Benjamin type player. 
 

im dead serious. It’s sad

mmm, all of a sudden I’m hungry for Popeye’s.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah, I am with you and it is the ultimate team game. But as good as the o-line was and Cook and Shakir are, take Josh out and this team maybe isn't even .500. 

 

They have not done a good job of building this thing. I know I am a hater, but I truly feel that if this regime did not luck into Josh they would be on the street. 

You can say the same about any team without a great QB

[Goin Breakdown]

Didn't McD just say that he knows 0.0 about WRs prior to combine?  I understand we have scouts but maybe this kind of needs to change a little. I mean at least have some knowledge of some of these guys. Idk

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

11 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I really hope they go with 6 wrs. They need to improve there especially on the outside in a major way imo. 

 

Doubtful.  They haven't done that the past few years.  When you factor in how much they went with 6 O-line makes having an extra WR kind of pointless.  Add to that, they were expected to go with 2 TE's much more than they did.  Likely the reason they did not was due to Kincaid having the torn PCL that was not known to anyone outside.

 

Overall the team was most effective being more balanced and also passing out of the 6 O-line formation and with a RB on the field.   There's no need for 6 WR when you look at what the team did best.

 

They have to replace Cooper and Hollins, most everyone is hoping they resign Hollins so that leaves one spot left to sign either an experienced player or draft a rookie in the first couple of rounds, but not both.  Unless they cut Samuel, but money wise hard for them to do that. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Did we all forget that #17 Josh Allen won MVP? That RB James Cook was a top 5 RB in the NFL? That the Buffalo Bills O line graded as one of the best last season?

 

Did I recall reading that the 2024 Buffalo Bills were the highest scoring team in franchise history and one of the top scoring teams in the league?

 

Things should work out okay...have some faith.

 

It's really weird to see this comment from someone with the name Nihilarian 

[MrEpsYtown]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You can say the same about any team without a great QB

 

Respectfully disagree. Mahomes got hurt they were fine with Chad freakin Henne. Tom Brady out for the year and the Pats make the playoffs with Matt Cassell. Even the Ravens were fine when Lamar was out. I am saying this team is probably picking #1 overall if Josh was out. That's how good he is and that's how bad the roster is without him. I love the Bills, and love this team, but in my opinion, this item is not talented. 

[Mango]

17 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:

There were things I saw on the field in those last few games that I just assumed all Bills fans saw. It's no use getting into it now. But suffice it to say that the Bills should expect Keon to battle on the outside consistently. In fact he has to in order to be successful in the NFL. I sensed some frustration, and most definitely a lack of physicality to fight for jump ball position at times that were really frustrating. He's got to be more consistent. 

 

Especially with the Shakir extension, plus Knox and Kincaid being in the fold for the next few years, there won't be a lot of opportunity to play inside regularly. 

As an aside, I thought Knox had a very well rounded year in his limited snaps (compared to other years). I would like to see him possibly get the starting role back . Knox and Kincaid were fairly even in snap count. I mean to say use him a bit more in the passing game. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mango
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[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Not sure if anybody posted the link but here is the rookie season review from Steve Smith 

 

As soon as I started to see people painting murals of him and Josh and the memes with Keon replacing Stefon Diggs I knew his rookie season would be a letdown. 
He has potential but he was never going to come right in and be a number one receiver. He’s not Brian Thomas Jr. 

If only….

We should have traded up for BTJ.