NFL Combine Thread: 3 (RB's, QB's & WR's)

[Motorin']

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Jayden definitely helped himself with his testing. He is a build speed guy rather than a twitchy guy and that lack of suddenness at the release point and at the top of the route still cause him to end up in a lot of contested situations, but the long speed is plenty good enough to be legit outside. 

 

I think he has a fluidity and smoothness in his route running that is a bit underappreciated when compared to extra twitch. I'm seeing a Drake London / Michael Pittman comp. 

 

He has some nasty double moves and can be a deep threat, but excels in the type of quick hit routes the Bills offense was built around last year. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I think he has a fluidity and smoothness in his route running that is a bit underappreciated when compared to extra twitch. I'm seeing a Drake London / Michael Pittman comp. 

 

He has some nasty double moves and can be a deep threat, but excels in the type of quick hit routes the Bills offense was built around last year. 

 

 

Yea London and Pittman are the kinda comps that make sense to me. And they are #1 receivers in the league. But they are more middle of the pack #1s than high end #1s.

 

[DJB]

11 hours ago, Motorin' said:

Faster, much more explosive vertical, slightly taller, 2" longer arms than Tee Higgins. Similar college production. 

 

I'll take a 6'4" 215lbs outside receiver with good route running that runs a 4.47.

 

 

 

He was my pre combine crush. 
 

And he was fantastic yesterday 

[Bangarang]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And he is a build speed guy rather than someone who is going to win quickly. For his play style that bothers me less tho.

 

So he's Gabe Davis?

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

So he's Gabe Davis?

 

He is a better prospect than Gabe. I think you can do a bit more in the middle of the field with Higgins and his hands are better. But I don't think he is a guy who is gonna be open within 2 seconds on many plays so in that sense, similar.

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea London and Pittman are the kinda comps that make sense to me. And they are #1 receivers in the league. But they are more middle of the pack #1s than high end #1s.

 

 

It's really hard to get top 10 wr. And I'm certainly not opposed to prioritizing speed + suddenness in trying to find an outside wr who can get open quickly.

 

But I think Higgins fits the Bills scheme, as well as being able to block. Which seems to be an important factor getting snaps in this offense. Kind of see him as an eventual Mack Hollins replacement if they were to take him in round 2. 

 

To be honest, I'm kind of hoping for three legit difference makers on defense with the first 3 picks. We shall see. 

 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

It's really hard to get top 10 wr. And I'm certainly not opposed to prioritizing speed + suddenness in trying to find an outside wr who can get open quickly.

 

But I think Higgins fits the Bills scheme, as well as being able to block. Which seems to be an important factor getting snaps in this offense. Kind of see him as an eventual Mack Hollins replacement if they were to take him in round 2. 

 

To be honest, I'm kind of hoping for three legit difference makers on defense with the first 3 picks. We shall see. 

 

 

If the Bills picked Higgins at the end of the 2nd I'd be very happy with that. I don't think he gets to them sadly. I had him mid 2nd in my two round mock and I haven't changed my mind.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If the Bills picked Higgins at the end of the 2nd I'd be very happy with that. I don't think he gets to them sadly. I had him mid 2nd in my two round mock and I haven't changed my mind.

Bills have two second round picks don't they ?

[Low Positive]

Just heard a Jaxson Dart Interview. I get major Zach Wilson vibes. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Low Positive said:

Just heard a Jaxson Dart Interview. I get major Zach Wilson vibes. 

Likes the older women, does he?

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

It's really hard to get top 10 wr. And I'm certainly not opposed to prioritizing speed + suddenness in trying to find an outside wr who can get open quickly.

 

But I think Higgins fits the Bills scheme, as well as being able to block. Which seems to be an important factor getting snaps in this offense. Kind of see him as an eventual Mack Hollins replacement if they were to take him in round 2. 

 

To be honest, I'm kind of hoping for three legit difference makers on defense with the first 3 picks. We shall see. 

 

I am leaning heavily into Defensive starter quality from the draft. And still hopeful for an edge rusher via FA.

But this Higgins fellow has me intrigued since some of you particualr folks are fairly hyped. Seems a good fit since we now have honest good pass pro with this O line. Josh will get time to allow a late deep speed player to over run the defense once in awhile. The hand is what sell me mostly though. That is a heck of a percentage of receptions per pass

[Low Positive]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Likes the older women, does he?

 

[KOKBILLS]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

So he's Gabe Davis?

 

He's a better prospect than Gabe in almost every conceivable way...

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Bills have two second round picks don't they ?

 

Yep.

[Nitro]

Combine was a fun experience yesterday.  Seeing Dart in person I can see this young guy succeeding in the NFL.  He has a strong arm and is accurate.  His deep throws did not have a high arc and got there on target.  The WRs were evenly matched in drills.  The tale of the game tape will tell who will be a possible Buffalo Bills draft pick. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Nitro

[DJB]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is a better prospect than Gabe. I think you can do a bit more in the middle of the field with Higgins and his hands are better. But I don't think he is a guy who is gonna be open within 2 seconds on many plays so in that sense, similar.

Gabe Davis could only run in a straight line. Higgins has good wiggle

 

Im confused by some of your analysis of him Gunner 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 09:06 PM by DJB

[Maine-iac]

If you are just looking to take the top off defenses take a swing on Thornton on day 3.  That size and speed combo at the very least gives us something different than what most of our roster is made up of.  I don't know about an every down guy but if you are making a late swing on a deep threat guy he had a 40 yard catch in 7 out of the 10 games he played.  I personally don't care if we don't focus on having some fast outside guy.  I'd rather have a technician who's quick more than fast but day 3 I don't care if they take some swings outside the box.

[JaCrispy]

This time of year should be so much fun…unfortunately, after seeing all the great prospects, I just don’t trust Beane to make the right decision…kinda sux

 

 

Edited Monday at 04:20 AM by JaCrispy

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Heard arian Smith just ran a 4.36.

 

If he's there in the middle rounds he could be a steal

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, DJB said:

Gabe Davis could only run in a straight line. Higgins has good wiggle

 

Im confused by some of your analysis of him Gunner 

 

 

 

That first one isn't really a release win it is a nice route against off coverage. I think he is a good route runner, smooth, fluid. It's the suddenness I think he lacks a bit. It causes him problems in releasing when pressed and at the top of the route in his cuts to my eyes it allows defenders back into the play at times. 

 

I like Higgins and I think he helped himself this weekend. He is a 2nd round grade on my board. But those are the elements on his film that stop him grading even higher for me. I certainly don't agree with "best release package in the class". That is just not what my eyes tell me.