NFL Combine Thread: 2 (DB's & TE's)

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My problem with him is the thing I have the question about is the thing he didn't prove. There is a stiffness to his game. He doesn't play with the fluidity I'd want in a high end safety. Doesn't flip his hips. The testing I'd have been interested in is the agility drills. I think there is a fair chance he is gone before we pick and if he isn't I'd be content to leave alone at 30.

 

He kind of seems like a guy who who will eventually end up being tried at LB.  Size and speed are great, but if he isn’t agile enough to cover in the secondary it will be a problem.

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

He kind of seems like a guy who who will eventually end up being tried at LB.  Size and speed are great, but if he isn’t agile enough to cover in the secondary it will be a problem.

 

Yea. I see him as that kind of hybrid S/LB. Now there is no shame in that. Kyle Hamilton is a version of that and is an elite player in the league. But I don't think he is Kyle Hamilton. 

[Big Turk]

Bills need to figure out a way to get this guy...

 

 

 

[GASabresIUFan]

On 2/24/2025 at 12:48 PM, Motorin' said:

With two 2nd round picks, in looking at CB's with Round 2 grades. Heights, weights and 40 times subject to change via the Combine:

 

Trey Amos - Ole Miss

6-0

195lbs

4.42

 

Zy Alexander - LSU

6-1

192lbs

4.50

 

Azareye'h Thomas - Florida State

6-1

191lbs

4.50

 

Darien Porter - Iowa State

6-2

197lbs

4.38

I like Porter but you left out Hairston from Kentucky.  He ran 4.28.  Also had a nearly 4O in vertical. He is a likely 2nd rd pick.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/kentucky-cb-maxwell-hairston-posts-015348001.html
 

He is Taiwan Jones’ cousin.

Watch out for Quincy Riley later in the draft.  Ran a decent 4.48 and made a ton of plays at Louisville including in run support.  

Edited March 1 by GASabresIUFan

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. I see him as that kind of hybrid S/LB. Now there is no shame in that. Kyle Hamilton is a version of that and is an elite player in the league. But I don't think he is Kyle Hamilton. 

Yea I agree he’s not that type of player. With so few impact/highly athletic players in this draft, guys like Emmanwori are going to go high despite their flaws because their upside is undeniable due to their athletic traits. Its not a high impact first round as you already know 

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My problem with him is the thing I have the question about is the thing he didn't prove. There is a stiffness to his game. He doesn't play with the fluidity I'd want in a high end safety. Doesn't flip his hips. The testing I'd have been interested in is the agility drills. I think there is a fair chance he is gone before we pick and if he isn't I'd be content to leave alone at 30.

 

Gives inconsistent effort in run support as well. Seems to let himself get blocked easily too, but I do need to watch more of him. 

Edited March 1 by Not at the table Karlos

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Yea I agree he’s not that type of player. With so few impact/highly athletic players in this draft, guys like Emmanwori are going to go high despite their flaws because their upside is undeniable due to their athletic traits. Its not a high impact first round as you already know 

 

Oh yea there is a fair chance he doesn't make it to the Bills. But even if he does I'd be willing to let him go and if he succeeds somewhere else well done to that team and that staff.

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I like Porter but you left out Hairston from Kentucky.  He ran 4.28.  Also had a nearly 4O in vertical. He is a likely 2nd rd pick.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/kentucky-cb-maxwell-hairston-posts-015348001.html
 

He is Taiwan Jones’ cousin.

Watch out for Quincy Riley later in the draft.  Ran a decent 4.48 and made a ton of plays at Louisville including in run support.  

 

I like both guys. But they both fall short of the physical height / weight attributes I think the Bills are looking for... 6' and over and close to or over 200lbs. 

 

Agree on Riley as an 4th or 5th round option, and he's close to Tre White's physical stature. 

[HappyDays]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Bills need to figure out a way to get this guy...

 

 

 

 

Safety is a position where I really don't care all that much about top tier athletic traits.

 

 

 

In the modern NFL and especially in McDermott's defense it is more a cerebral position. This is why I also didn't like the Bishop pick last year.

 

These weaknesses from Lance Zierlein's scouting report on Emmanwori scare me away:

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/nick-emmanwori/3200454d-4d08-3509-4f43-ab1aefccbd0f

 

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-Drifts through games without urgency at times.

-Inconsistent downhill trigger in run support.

-Block take-on and pursuit angles need improvement.

-Gives too much ground to blockers instead of bypassing.

-Hip tightness limits transition quickness in space.

-Average instincts and route anticipation.

 

The last two bullet points especially are concerning. Sounds like a classic case of an athlete trying to play football and I have no interest in using a 1st rounder on that archetype at a non-premium position.

[LEBills]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh yea there is a fair chance he doesn't make it to the Bills. But even if he does I'd be willing to let him go and if he succeeds somewhere else well done to that team and that staff.

Malaki Starks was the fastest player on the field in all the drills. I really don’t want to spend a first round pick on a Safety but if he made it to 30 it would be hard to pass up.

 

You still feeling like Barron can follow in McDuffies footsteps as a smaller corner who can excel outside? Basically the same size but Barron tested faster.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Malaki Starks was the fastest player on the field in all the drills. I really don’t want to spend a first round pick on a Safety but if he made it to 30 it would be hard to pass up.

 

You still feeling like Barron can follow in McDuffies footsteps as a smaller corner who can excel outside? Basically the same size but Barron tested faster.

 

Yea I still think Barron can. But I imagine the arm measurment drops him on the boards of pure zone teams. The KC - McDuffie or Denver - Harris model is now the one for him. Outside on early downs, mans up inside in nickel. So probably limits his attraction to the Bills, sadly. 

 

Oh I'd take Starks too. I know his RAS will not blow anyone away. But his film is excellent. He has fantstic eyes. He actually has some Micah Hyde about him.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Safety is a position where I really don't care all that much about top tier athletic traits.

 

 

 

In the modern NFL and especially in McDermott's defense it is more a cerebral position. This is why I also didn't like the Bishop pick last year.

 

These weaknesses from Lance Zierlein's scouting report on Emmanwori scare me away:

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/nick-emmanwori/3200454d-4d08-3509-4f43-ab1aefccbd0f

 

 

The last two bullet points especially are concerning. Sounds like a classic case of an athlete trying to play football and I have no interest in using a 1st rounder on that archetype at a non-premium position.

 

Yea the hip tightness is the main negative on my report for Emmanwori. I think he is a straight lines only player.

[LEBills]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I still think Barron can. But I imagine the arm measurment drops him on the boards of pure zone teams. The KC - McDuffie or Denver - Harris model is now the one for him. Outside on early downs, mans up inside in nickel. So probably limits his attraction to the Bills, sadly. 

 

Oh I'd take Starks too. I know his RAS will not blow anyone away. But his film is excellent. He has fantstic eyes. He actually has some Micah Hyde about him.

You think Porter, Hairston or Amos did enough to put themselves on the Bills radar at 30? I think Porter did - if he makes it that far. Amos and Hairston are such naturals especially in zone but I’m not sure if the Bills will like Amos’s run support or Hairston being sub-190. I think they will both probably be early day 2 picks

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, LEBills said:

You think Porter, Hairston or Amos did enough to put themselves on the Bills radar at 30? I think Porter did - if he makes it that far. Amos and Hairston are such naturals especially in zone but I’m not sure if the Bills will like Amos’s run support or Hairston being sub-190. I think they will both probably be early day 2 picks

 

Porter is someone I haven't done at all yet. Didn't get to him in my initial run through on corners and he bounced to the top of my priority list with his testing. I think you are right on Amos and Hariston. I feel like both are early day 2. Amos is a scheme fit other than the run support point though. For sure.

[LEBills]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Porter is someone I haven't done at all yet. Didn't get to him in my initial run through on corners and he bounced to the top of my priority list with his testing. I think you are right on Amos and Hariston. I feel like both are early day 2. Amos is a scheme fit other than the run support point though. For sure.

Porter is going to be a tough one because he is a 24 year old who didn’t start until his 6th season. The counterpoint to that is he was a converted WR so it took him time to become a corner. Elite special teamer which made him a good tackler and the movement skills show up on tape. 
 

Amos is so smooth and such a natural at corner. If he somehow made it to the Bills in the second that’d be an instant good starter. 

[H2o]

On 3/1/2025 at 7:44 AM, Big Turk said:

Bills need to figure out a way to get this guy...

 

 

 

He'll be in a Dolphins uni next year. Their Safety play has been a weakness and they're about to let Holland walk. 

[Cash]

On 2/28/2025 at 5:58 PM, Magox said:

Holy smokes!

 

If he’s available he would have to be the choice.   

 

I know it’s unofficial, but the point of RAS is to blend all of the athletic testing into 1 number. So how can he have an “unofficial 10.0 pending agility drills”? Isn’t that like saying, “I got a prefect score on the SAT, pending the math section”?

[Magox]

1 minute ago, Cash said:

I know it’s unofficial, but the point of RAS is to blend all of the athletic testing into 1 number. So how can he have an “unofficial 10.0 pending agility drills”? Isn’t that like saying, “I got a prefect score on the SAT, pending the math section”?

It’s a relative rating vs his peers from all previous combine attendees at that particular position.  So a 10.0 means he’s the highest rated ever measured.

[Cash]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

It’s a relative rating vs his peers from all previous combine attendees at that particular position.  So a 10.0 means he’s the highest rated ever measured.

…in some, but not all, of the measurements. If you aced your exams in math and science, but didn’t take the exams in history or language, is that straight A’s?

[Magox]

44 minutes ago, Cash said:

…in some, but not all, of the measurements. If you aced your exams in math and science, but didn’t take the exams in history or language, is that straight A’s?

I’m not defending their methodology just pointing out how they tabulate it