How many of us are "trade for Garrett/Crosby/Parsons/etc." or it's serious offseason disappointment?

[MikePJ76]

Just now, ganesh said:

With money invested already in Samuel and the money that will be invested in Shakir, I don't see how the Bills can pay another player $20M.   The Bills may need to draft one more player in the lower round and hope they can hit it off with him.   

This team needs to focus on the DL.

They have plenty of cap space to do what they want.  Joe broke it down with a really nice offseason outlook last week.

 

I just disagree with giving money to a small declining player in brown.  I would however pay Andre Cisqo for his potential.  I don’t think he will be that expensive.   I would also pay Darius slayton.  Good guy, teammate, good size and traits and dying to be on a winner.

 

i think cisqo and slayton can be had for a reasonable amount of money.  I have seen slayton talked about in the Mooney and Gabe Davis area of around 13 million per year.  I would do that for him.

4 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

Hate to be playing Devil's Advocate here but - didn't the Bills try the all-in approach with the Von Miller signing? If the "Elite" player you bring in under performs due to injury or whatever you have burned a ton of cap space without any return on your investments. Good players can be found at more reasonable prices both through the draft as well as Free Agency. Hyde and Poyer were good examples of that approach. Don't put all your eggs in one basket - Diversify...

If the cost for Garrett was two one’s and an espenesa that’s beyond reasonable.  
 

they will have plenty of picks and comp picks next year to still have good drafts.

 

as far as the cap goes Garrett is worth the money.   
 

In just don’t want them trading away whole drafts for the guy.  That is the scenario you are talking about, acting as if he is all they need.  That is a bad idea.

[Augie]

11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Or bust? Haiiiil naw. It'll all depend on the guy and the price.

 

I'd love to get Garrett in particular. But only if it's good value.

 

And I'd disagree that Brandon fails to get elite players early, because he basically never drafts early. It's a lot harder to get elite guys where we usually draft. And costs too much to move up far (Massey-Thaler, for example).

 

Play it as it comes, and I'm hoping it comes so we can get Garrett.

 

 

 

If this was a poll option, I think it would be the runaway winner. I can’t be for or against something without knowing the cost.

 

 I don’t care if you are buying a car, or a house, or a great DE, there is no way on earth I can make a decision without knowing the cost. Yes or no is a question nobody should be able to answer without more knowledge. That’s just an emotional response to frustration, and I don’t like to make decisions that way. 

 

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Edited 5 hours ago by Augie

[TFBillsfan]

I’d love it if the price was right but I don’t envision that happening. Beane has three picks in the top 62 and a boatload of later round picks in a deep draft for defense. He can’t miss like last year when the WR class was deep. IF Beane can get three impactful starters on D, it sets the table nicely for the future. IMO, our D needs much more than one player. DT, DE, S and CB are all in dire need of talent. 
 

Critical draft for Beane to hit on! Don’t be shy about packaging later picks to move up into the 3rd and 4th rounds. The vast majority of 5th, 6th and 7th rounders aren’t going to make this roster. 

[T master]

Did we as fans not learn anything with the deal that the Bills did to get Von and Diggs ? Sometimes your the wind shield sometimes your the bug, you never know exactly how it's going to work out !

 

If Beane wouldn't have made the move to get Diggs the Bills may never have had the moments they did with him on the offense & if Beane hadn't made the move to get him out the door when he did the Bills would have had 3 elite players sitting out for long periods of time due to injury .

 

The nature of the sport is brutal & injury's can come at any time ending a career and more likely at the end of a career but some get very lucky and may never get that piece of bad luck . Henderson is older but continues to have great out put but he is older so you roll the dice if you get him .

 

Von in the fans eyes was worth the deal at first and we all thought Beane had hit a home run then when injured now we all are uber critical of that move as Bills fans always are when it's good your a hero when it goes south your the villain, but that can happen to any player .

 

I think for the future the draft is the way to go to build and develop, but that takes time so i hope  & believe that Beane can have a good mixture of both and not put the team in cap hell in the future ! 

 

But not having a pick at the top of the draft i think Beane has done better than most finding SOME elite talent for the team and will again this season .   

[RyanC883]

trade for at least 1 impact guy, FA another, DL 1 tech is deep in draft.  Get another one there. 

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, DefenseWins said:

Hate to be playing Devil's Advocate here but - didn't the Bills try the all-in approach with the Von Miller signing? If the "Elite" player you bring in under performs due to injury or whatever you have burned a ton of cap space without any return on your investments. Good players can be found at more reasonable prices both through the draft as well as Free Agency. Hyde and Poyer were good examples of that approach. Don't put all your eggs in one basket - Diversify...

Hyde and Poyer were 8 years ago. They haven’t got much production out of free agency and draft for a while. Go get proven players because they are struggling to get impact giys other ways.

Edited 12 hours ago by BananaB

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Pick 30 and 56 gets you into the top 20 most likely. Thats a pretty good player that should play immediately.

 

You can get your edge there and then a DT in the late 2nd.

[ddaryl]

Mack will be a UFA and if he can come on a decent deal then we can move up and possibly get ourselves a cost controlled difference maker at DT in the draft depending on cost.

I'm feeling the overall cost going after a top DL via Trade willl be constraining. It depends on what it truly will cost us

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, finn said:

You've been down this road before, Neo. You know where it goes. Garrett (Parsons, Crosby, whoever) comes in as the savior, dazzling everyone for awhile and playing up to the monstrous cost to land him, then he pops an Achilles or tears an ACL. With no depth or cap room to draw on, the Bills are reduced to starting a seventh round pick out of Wichita State at DE and relying on Oliver and Rousseau to rush the passer, supported by a thin secondary, which was not replenished by the draft or free agency, all resources, present and future, going to pay for one (one) player.

 

But Garrett comes back in 2026! Ok, he's still hobbled. But he comes back in 2027! Sure, he's 31 and not the same player he was, and with still no cap room to  pay even the ball boy, Beane is fielding a team that either paper thin or deficient (or both) at every position. But, damn, it sure was fun for those first few months! TBD exploded at the news of the signing! That's worth something, isn't it? /s

 

Any player can be injured and never play again as well he did pre-injury.   Nothing is ever guaranteed. 

 

The Bills could stand pat at #30 in the 2025 draft and draft a DLer there who might take 2-4 years to reach potential or they could package their 2025 first and one of their seconds as well as their 2026 first to move up to the middle of the first round to take a better DL prospect who might need only a season or two to reach his potential.  That DLer could also suffer an injury in TC and never play as a rookie.  That happened with QB JJ McCarthy in Minnesota this past season.

 

The draft is a crap shoot.  Half of all first round draft picks are either out right busts or disappointments or they get injured early on and never play as well as they did before the injury.    

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I don't think we have a realistic shot at Garrett or Crosby imo since although we might have the draft capital but 31 other teams will have the same. It doesn't matter if Garrett or Crosby want to go to contending teams, the Browns/Raiders don't have to oblige that if they don't want to. Also this is what happens when your GM consistently whiffs on picks in the draft, spending 2 1sts, 2- 2nd round picks on DL and this is all we show for it is brutal imo.

I definitely think they should kick the tires on them regardless but I just don't think we have a realistic shot and those guys. I also highly doubt the Bengals would trade us Hendrickson, as I would believe they think we are direct competition, I never heard anything about Watt being available and the same thing with Parsons, every team will be asking on him. 

That leaves us free agency where are best bet is an over the hill Khalil Mack who had a respectable 6 sacks but does he alone get us that SB ring? I think we need a Mack and "HAVE TO" hit on the draft at edge rusher.

Edited 11 hours ago by BuffaloBillsGospel2014

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

What’s good value for the best defensive player in football, at your biggest position of need? Why do we care about value here? If you could pick ANY player in football to add to this team, Garrett is the answer. We are literally talking about THE BEST POSSIBLE ADDITION PLAYING FOOTBALL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Where’s the line where the Bills should be like, “thanks but no thanks. That’s too rich for our blood.” IMO, that line should be much further than what it will take to acquire Garrett. If the cost was 3 firsts, the Bills should do it. As you said, the Bills never draft early anyways so what difference does it make?

 

This is my position on acquiring Miles Garrett, too, and I've never been one to chase after this big name or that via trade or free agency.  Garrett is special.  He's worth the risk that he might be injured and not play as well in the future as he has in the past. 

[The Jokeman]

Until we see what free agents are added or removed it's hard to say what to do. I mean if we add a veteran Safety or CB and keep Hollins and Cooper or another vet with with speed and a vet or 2 depth D-Lineman than am okay getting a rookie with the 1st.  Ideally I'd like us to land a rookie as be cheaper both in cap room and amount of picks needed to acquire etc. Toss in younger and have them for a longer time etc. 

[SCBills]

I honestly don't know..

 

The Draft is loaded at DT and I wouldn't hate going early & often at DT to make our interior a potential monster unit with 2 premium DT's to go along with Oliver and a hopeful jump from a healthy Carter.

 

That said.. every year it's obvious we don't have "dudes".  We have Josh Allen and a very good all around roster.  Dawkins and Brown could be in that mix as well, but OL doesn't move the needle in the way we're discussing. 

 

IMO, this offseason .. Goal #1, should be seeing what it takes to get another "dude".  Whether that's a pass rusher or DK Metcalf.. we need another dude so it's not just Josh Allen vs the world every postseason. 

[Solomon Grundy]

 

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

And I'd disagree that Brandon fails to get elite players early, because he basically never drafts early. It's a lot harder to get elite guys where we usually draft. And cost

This is an argument for trading these picks 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Just because Miller got hurt doesn’t mean you don’t swing big again. 
That’s a fear based mindset and you do not win that way.

Garrett is younger than Miller was when we acquired him and a better player.

[Rigotz]

Good idea for the poll, but not a fan of how you phrased it.

 

I think it's a good idea to trade for an elite Defensive End based on where the team is at. I'm sure many agree.

 

Do I think it will destroy us if we draft D-Line in rounds 1+2 and also get a solid veteran Free Agent as well? No.

 

Adding the "or bust" thing makes it seem like the season is lost if we don't do one specific thing. That's never a good mentality to have at any position. Same as the "we need an elite WR" thing last year ... they're not easy to come by and you can always find other ways to win.

[Sweats]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

If this was a poll option, I think it would be the runaway winner. I can’t be for ar against something without knowing the cost.

 

 I don’t care if you are buying a car, or a house, or a great DE, there is no way on earth I can make a decision without knowing the cost. Yes or no is a question nobody should be able to answer without more knowledge. That’s just an emotional response to frustration, and I don’t like to make decisions that way. 

 

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.............what decision in the thought making process determined that ****ing on my desk was a good idea?!?

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

.............what decision in the thought making process determined that ****ing on my desk was a good idea?!?

 

You were collateral damage….I thought that was somebody else’s desk. Oops!   🤷‍♂️

[Don Otreply]

Everyone needs to realize that one guy isn’t gonna be what makes the difference with this defense, the scheme itself needs to be revamped on top of the positional needs that need to be addressed, because rolling out the same soft coverages again and expecting something different to be the result is a recipe for another post season let down, the brain trust needs to get on the stick and make the correct changes in how this defense operates, imo.