How many of us are "trade for Garrett/Crosby/Parsons/etc." or it's serious offseason disappointment?

[transplantbillsfan]

Go with your gut on this one.

 

Genuinely curious because I just started with the draft class now that the season is done.

 

Holy cow! This might be the draft to need anyone on the DL!!!

 

On the other hand... for once it looks like we have CAP space and some Elite to generational talents might be available in a trade...

 

but that will cost draft capital in an incredibly deep DL class...

 

(In Dane Brugler's top 100 there are 17 edge rushers and 13 DTs)

 

but Brandon Beane fails consistently in drafting Elite players early...

 

but drafted players who hit are cost controlled and we can ensure more years of competitive rosters in Josh's prime...

 

How do you guys honestly feel about this?

 

I'm a little torn right now, but my gut says I'm going to be pretty disappointed if we don't get Garrett or Crosby this offseason.

Edited 2 hours ago by transplantbillsfan

[Thurman#1]

Or bust? Haiiiil naw. It'll all depend on the guy and the price.

 

I'd love to get Garrett in particular. But only if it's good value.

 

And I'd disagree that Brandon fails to get elite players early, because he basically never drafts early. It's a lot harder to get elite guys where we usually draft. And costs too much to move up far (Massey-Thaler, for example).

 

Play it as it comes, and I'm hoping it comes so we can get Garrett.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

Or bust? Haiiiil naw. It'll all depend on the guy and the price.

 

I'd love to get Garrett in particular. But only if it's good value.

 

And I'd disagree that Brandon fails to get elite players early, because he basically never drafts early. It's a lot harder to get elite guys where we usually draft. And costs too much to move up far (Massey-Thaler, for example).

 

Play it as it comes, and I'm hoping it comes so we can get Garrett.

 

 

I think this is the most logical answer.

 

We all like new shiny toys, especially those with flashy names.  But first of all...there's no guarantee ANY of these guys even get moved. The Browns have a hard line in the sand that they aren't trading Garrett. If you want him you'll have to blow their doors off with an offer. And even then they may hold tight.

 

I've seen nothing about Crosby actually being on the block...and he's actively stated he wants to stay with the Raiders. Most of the names floated are pure speculation. Happens every off season and a high percentage of the time one or maybe two big name guys are moves for picks. 

 

If one of the vets can be had for a reasonable amount...great. If we have to look to the draft... great. Just find talented guys at a good value 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

We were 4th in sacks in 2023 when we had a capable rusher opposite Rousseau and a capable 1 tech.

 

Leonard Floyd brought more juice than anyone we’ve had opposite our top pass rusher probably since we’ve been contenders. So even if it’s someone at least equal to that we will be better.

 

At 1 tech Jones just might not have it anymore. Need to upgrade 1 tech aggressively. This is actually more important. 
 

Obviously if you can get one of those elite guys go for it. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Buffalo_Stampede

[Kirby Jackson]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Or bust? Haiiiil naw. It'll all depend on the guy and the price.

 

I'd love to get Garrett in particular. But only if it's good value.

 

And I'd disagree that Brandon fails to get elite players early, because he basically never drafts early. It's a lot harder to get elite guys where we usually draft. And costs too much to move up far (Massey-Thaler, for example).

 

Play it as it comes, and I'm hoping it comes so we can get Garrett.

 

 

What’s good value for the best defensive player in football, at your biggest position of need? Why do we care about value here? If you could pick ANY player in football to add to this team, Garrett is the answer. We are literally talking about THE BEST POSSIBLE ADDITION PLAYING FOOTBALL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Where’s the line where the Bills should be like, “thanks but no thanks? That’s too rich for our blood.” IMO, that line should be much further than what it will take to acquire Garrett. If the cost was 3 firsts, the Bills should do it. As you said, the Bills never draft early anyways so what difference does it make?

Edited 6 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[BananaB]

No thanks on Parsons. He gets pushed around in the run game.

[machine gun kelly]

I’m all in on Garrett or Crosby.  We can always draft whatever highest pick we have left a DT.  That infuses a lot of talent in the line which is the greatest need.

[CSBill]

3 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I’m all in on Garrett or Crosby.  We can always draft whatever highest pick we have left a DT.  That infuses a lot of talent in the line which is the greatest need.

 

This is where I'm leaning. But only for Garett or Crosby. If not, do the best you can in the draft.

[26TrapDraw]

12 minutes ago, BananaB said:

No thanks on Parsons. He gets pushed around in the run game.

And we already excel at that.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

This is where I'm leaning. But only for Garett or Crosby. If not, do the best you can in the draft.

I actually think that we should stop lumping Garrett and Crosby together (same with Mack, Hendrickson, Sweat and Parsons). They aren’t all interchangeable. Each of those guys would be a giant up upgrade for the Bills. The price and impact for each is different. Garrett is in his own tier. He’s the best defensive player in football. The next group represents some great pass rushers. They are in a different tier(s) though.

[stuvian]

Despite being perennial playoff teams, the Eagles and Rams also draft late and find big uglies to dominate on both sides of the LOS. When we are relegated to the FA market for pass rushers, we almost always overpay for over the hill talent. We're not building anything on defense. You can say such and such guy isn't a fit for our scheme. If so, our scheme is resulting in us getting pushed around. I realize that Philly and LA might be on a hot streak but they seem to stay retooled.

That said, I'd rather go younger with a Josh Sweat than a broken down high priced veteran who's best football is behind them. Garrett and Crosby are great players but after Von Miller I'm questioning the method.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Despite being perennial playoff teams, the Eagles and Rams also draft late and find big uglies to dominate on both sides of the LOS. When we are relegated to the FA market for pass rushers, we almost always overpay for over the hill talent. We're not building anything on defense. You can say such and such guy isn't a fit for our scheme. If so, our scheme is resulting in us getting pushed around. I realize that Philly and LA might be on a hot streak but they seem to stay retooled.

That said, I'd rather go younger with a Josh Sweat than a broken down high priced veteran who's best football is behind them. Garrett and Crosby are great players but after Von Miller I'm questioning the method.

Eagles and Rams hit big on rookies in areas of need. Bills need to do the same either at CB or DL. They need to hit on one of these positions. Rookies have to play and impact positively.

 

It’s not an easy ask. But this Bills front office needs a hit early in the draft.

[Sweats]

This FO philosophy of building through the draft has run its course. I still believe we can get some good value and some good potential through the draft; however, we still need to bring in some impact players through trade or FA to adequately fill the gaps.

[Chaos]

Someone needs to tell me if the teams strategy is to be able to win games when we give up 31 points or to hold playoff teams to 23 and under.  If it’s the first strategy we need another WR. If it’s the second we need immediate help on all three levels of defense. 

[MikePJ76]

If they could get Myles Garrett at the price Joe buscaglia speculated then yes they should make the trade.

 

if it costs more than that they should stay the course and use all their picks and available money to get vet help.

 

he put a plan out that was pretty excellent.  The only thing I didn’t like was giving Hollywood brown a 2 year deal worth around 19 million.  That’s a terrible deal, that guy is not what Buffalo needs at wr.  A small declining player.

[Steptide]

20 minutes ago, Sweats said:

This FO philosophy of building through the draft has run its course. I still believe we can get some good value and some good potential through the draft; however, we still need to bring in some impact players through trade or FA to adequately fill the gaps.

I can't agree with this enough. It's been 8 years for McDermott and Beane and we have never had a game changing defensive end. I think Miller was supposed to be that, but obviously didn't work out. I mean honestly how many more years can we just rinse and repeat. It's time to make some drastic moves 

[Gregg]

I would love to get Garrett. Look at what Jones does for the Chiefs. He is a game changer for them, and they have the Lombardi's to show for it. If it comes from FA, trade or draft the Bills need elite level talent (which they really don't have too many of) on both sides of the ball to help Allen bring a championship to WNY. As great as Allen is he can't win the Super Bowl by himself. Beane gets paid the big bucks to figure these things out. Let's hope he does.

[finn]

You've been down this road before, Neo. You know where it goes. Garrett (Parsons, Crosby, whoever) comes in as the savior, dazzling everyone for awhile and playing up to the monstrous cost to land him, then he pops an Achilles or tears an ACL. With no depth or cap room to draw on, the Bills are reduced to starting a seventh round pick out of Wichita State at DE and relying on Oliver and Rousseau to rush the passer, supported by a thin secondary, which was not replenished by the draft or free agency, all resources, present and future, going to pay for one (one) player.

 

But Garrett comes back in 2026! Ok, he's still hobbled. But he comes back in 2027! Sure, he's 31 and not the same player he was, and with still no cap room to  pay even the ball boy, Beane is fielding a team that either paper thin or deficient (or both) at every position. But, damn, it sure was fun for those first few months! TBD exploded at the news of the signing! That's worth something, isn't it? /s

[ganesh]

41 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

If they could get Myles Garrett at the price Joe buscaglia speculated then yes they should make the trade.

 

if it costs more than that they should stay the course and use all their picks and available money to get vet help.

 

he put a plan out that was pretty excellent.  The only thing I didn’t like was giving Hollywood brown a 2 year deal worth around 19 million.  That’s a terrible deal, that guy is not what Buffalo needs at wr.  A small declining player.

With money invested already in Samuel and the money that will be invested in Shakir, I don't see how the Bills can pay another player $20M.   The Bills may need to draft one more player in the lower round and hope they can hit it off with him.   

This team needs to focus on the DL.

[DefenseWins]

Hate to be playing Devil's Advocate here but - didn't the Bills try the all-in approach with the Von Miller signing? If the "Elite" player you bring in under performs due to injury or whatever you have burned a ton of cap space without any return on your investments. Good players can be found at more reasonable prices both through the draft as well as Free Agency. Hyde and Poyer were good examples of that approach. Don't put all your eggs in one basket - Diversify...