How many of us are "trade for Garrett/Crosby/Parsons/etc." or it's serious offseason disappointment?

[BillsFanForever19]

I don't think the Poll matches the Title.

 

You ask if it's Trade or Disappointment and then the poll is address via Trade or Draft.

 

I think the Offseason can go without a big DE trade and not be a disappointment. But it would depend on what they did instead.

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 hours ago, Virgil said:

If Garrett, Oliver, and Groot can’t get it done, or elevate the 4th lineman, there’s no hope anyways. 

While I agree with that, Garrett, Oliver and Groot won't always be in the field. And Oliver still leaves the middle soft vs the run. Still need that big body inside.

[machine gun kelly]

23 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

This is where I'm leaning. But only for Garett or Crosby. If not, do the best you can in the draft.

CSB, I’m guessing Garrett is the better target for a couple of reasons.  First, Cleveland is rebuilding, and he declared he wants out.  Garrett’s camp can turn the heat up at the combine meaning the agent, interviews to the press of Garrett.  Push the issue by Garrett.  Second, Cleveland saves $20 mil. By releasing him to buy other talent.  We have a 1 and two 2nds.  We can give a 1st and a 2nd this year, and a 1st next year.  He’s worth it for 5 years.

 

2nd, Las Vegas now has Carroll for a head coach.  Carroll has a 30 year history highly focused on a run game and pressuring defense all the way back to his Jets days, and USC before Seattle.  He won’t want to part with a talent like Crosby.

 

So onward for Garrett and cut Von for the $8.3 mil. Savings and let the restructures begin.  I can see an extension for Josh as he’s not going anywhere and backloading more if the contract to free up more than enough for Garrett.  As I’ve written in other threads, with that other 2nd rd pick, you grab the best DT you can get in a deep DT draft.  There are a lot of good ones.

 

Later with the 7 other draft spots, you can replenish with a speedy WR, Safety, CB, and the last 6th rd pick (we have 2 in the 6th), you grab the best kicker.  Bass improved his position towards the end of the year, but nothing wrong with competition.

 

So these are just a few thoughts as Virgil says in no particular order.

 

[Augie]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

We are clearly talking about something that is 3 1st round picks or less.

 

Myles Garrett has missed 5 games in his NFL career for injury. 1 for a concussion and 4 for a high ankle sprain.

 

Are you saying odds are more likely that Garrett will suffer a season ending injury than the combination of all the draft capital we trade for him?

 

I would argue that Garrett would be more impactful to the team than all those draft picks you're talking about.

 

Scouts always say draft the ceiling, not the floor. In other words, hope for the best. With Garrett, we know what his best is and it's amazing. Not so much with any draft pick.

 

I think you bolded the wrong part. Here is the point:

 

”and if you are for it now you can’t change your mind if he gets hurt. That is my point. I’ve seen this crowd in action. It’s not always rational thoughts, and too often unwarranted emotional reactions.”

[Chaos]

14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess the generic answer is “both.” Why do they only address one or the other? I fully expect 4 to 5 new starters on the team in 2025. A boundary WR, a DE, a DT, a CB and a S (which may be Bishop). 

Its a matter of priority. every single team will field a 53 man roster every week, trying to fill each position as best they can.  Its always "both" in that sense. 

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

well there is a LB in FA with the name.

Garrett you go get him and hold his hand lovingly , fly him back to Buffalo in Terry's personal Jet

 Have Josh take him to all the wing joints and answer the burning question we have yet to broach.....

 

what if he asks "who's your Defensive Coordinator?"

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Its a matter of priority. every single team will field a 53 man roster every week, trying to fill each position as best they can.  Its always "both" in that sense. 

With 3 picks in the top 60 plus what should be $40Mish in cap space, both can, and should, be accomplished. 

[Jrb1979]

59 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think you bolded the wrong part. Here is the point:

 

”and if you are for it now you can’t change your mind if he gets hurt. That is my point. I’ve seen this crowd in action. It’s not always rational thoughts, and too often unwarranted emotional reactions.”

I am all for going all in this season. I don't care the cost. I would rather win a Super Bowl and be bad for multiple seasons after than be in the hunt and never win one. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

I am all for going all in this season. I don't care the cost. I would rather win a Super Bowl and be bad for multiple seasons after than be in the hunt and never win one. 

 

There are no guarantees you will win a Super Bowl. We’re reasonably close. I think we are good enough with a few tweaks. Are you good with another AFCCG and then sucking for a few years? Or would you like to remain on the doorstep rather than be out on the street? 

 

“All in” is not a reasonable term. At some point it is too expensive. Will you give up our entire 2025 draft, and our first in ‘26?  A reasonable person can’t say YES, without knowing what they are agreeing to. 

[SoTier]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I am all for going all in this season. I don't care the cost. I would rather win a Super Bowl and be bad for multiple seasons after than be in the hunt and never win one. 

 

You and I are usually on opposite sides of how to win that SB, but I totally agree that fear of an expensive FA acquisition getting hurt (like Von Miller) should not be a deciding factor when that player doesn't have a history of frequently getting injured.

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

There are no guarantees you will win a Super Bowl. We’re reasonably close. I think we are good enough with a few tweaks. Are you good with another AFCCG and then sucking for a few years? Or would you like to remain on the doorstep rather than be out on the street? 

 

“All in” is not a reasonable term. At some point it is too expensive. Will you give up our entire 2025 draft, and our first in ‘26?  A reasonable person can’t say YES, without knowing what they are agreeing to. 

There is no guarantees that what building through the draft with smaller FA additions is enough to win.  I'm good with another AFCCG and sucking knowing they took a chance to win. 

 

I all for adding Higgins by adding void years to his contact, and giving up the next 2 firsts to add Garrett. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

There is no guarantees that what building through the draft with smaller FA additions is enough to win.  I'm good with another AFCCG and sucking knowing they took a chance to win. 

 

I all for adding Higgins by adding void years to his contact, and giving up the next 2 firsts to add Garrett. 

 

OK, there you put out a cost you are willing to pay. I have no problem with that.  But “all in” has to have a limit on the cost. 

 

For the record, I’d love Higgins and Garrett. I don’t see it happening (because of the costs), but it sure would be fun to watch! 

 

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Edited 6 hours ago by Augie

[Sweats]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

There are no guarantees you will win a Super Bowl. We’re reasonably close. I think we are good enough with a few tweaks. Are you good with another AFCCG and then sucking for a few years? Or would you like to remain on the doorstep rather than be out on the street? 

 

“All in” is not a reasonable term. At some point it is too expensive. Will you give up our entire 2025 draft, and our first in ‘26?  A reasonable person can’t say YES, without knowing what they are agreeing to. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, i say yes to not knowing what i'm agreeing to all the time and it rarely ever works out for me...........i am also the most unreasonable person around, so.......

[Magox]

If we were to get this guy in a trade I'd be very happy.

 

 

 

He's 30, so he has a few good years left.  I would think a 2025 4th and 2026 5th could get the deal done.

[Logic]

17 hours ago, Mat68 said:

I would argue this is the best class at Dline since Olivers class.  The talent available would be very hard to pass up.  Could very well see the Diggs trade.  Buffalo trades a massive package and miss the chance at drafting Jefferson. 

A very fair point.

My only counter would be that nothing in Beane's history tells me he's going to find an instant impact defender in round one. It has never happened.

But you're right: it IS an exceptional defensive line class.

 

[Don Otreply]

15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

This I don't agree with.  McDermott's scheme has historically been predicated mostly on getting pressure with the horses up front and allowing the back end to drop into zones to cover.  We've just never had the horses.

 

The Eagles played a ton of zone in the Super Bowl and destroyed the Chiefs because of the horses up front.

 

Myles Garrett would make a massive difference on this Defense.  I don't know how you could argue otherwise.  And then suddenly Groot becomes a fantastic complementary Edge on the other side.  Find your 1 tech in the draft with whatever draft capital remains for day 2.  Like I said in the OP, Dane Brugler had a ton of guys on the DL in his top 100.

 

But the notion that an Elite, HOF Defensive Lineman in his prime might not be the difference for us is losing their mind.  See Chris Jones and all of the playoff games where he actually made those handful of plays that absolutely were the difference.  

 

Buffalo lost to KC by 3 points in the AFC Championship game.  Are you seriously saying that if we substituted Von Miller out for Garrett opposite Groot that the results probably wouldn't have been any different?

 

And people need to stop using that "soft coverage" term.  Go listen to the guys who watch the film like Joe Marino and Anthony Prohaska and Bruce Nolan... these guys all emphasize that it's just zone that we run, but it's a zone defense that's predicated on the idea of getting pressure with 4.  We just can't do that.  

 

It's not "soft coverage," it's just zone coverage.

I alluded to him being used like every other new acquisition we have brought in and not made changes to the scheme to best effect, to capitalize on his presence on the line, our zone is the softest of coverage, did you not see teams march down the field taking what our soft zone gave away?

14 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

 

 

I cannot believe that McDermott -- or any NFL HC with half a brain and lacking a super-sized ego -- would get the best DLer in the NFL on his roster and NOT design a defensive scheme to maximize his talents.   McDermott is the guy who fired his OC during the season and allowed his new OC to immediately start refashioning the offensive scheme to take better advantage of the Bills offensive talent.  What evidence do you have that McDermott and Babich wouldn't refashion the Bills defensive scheme to take advantage of Garrett's -- or even a somewhat lesser "game wrecker" type DLer -- that the Bills added to the team other than your own obvious dislike of McDermott?

They have yet to make changes thus far, 

[DaVinci]

Bean has always been of the philosophy that you build for consistency and you are consistently successful.  We have been living this dynamic and we never reach the top of the mountain. It's time to go all in. Another consistent year with a playoff exit will be debilitating. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 minutes ago, Magox said:

If we were to get this guy in a trade I'd be very happy.

 

 

 

He's 30, so he has a few good years left.  I would think a 2025 4th and 2026 5th could get the deal done.

Definitely. Get it done. Add some new money and void years to his deal to make him happy also, and lower the cap hit.

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo_Stampede

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

Bean has always been of the philosophy that you build for consistency and you are consistently successful.  We have been living this dynamic and we never reach the top of the mountain. It's time to go all in. Another consistent year with a playoff exit will be debilitating. 

 

Debilitating? For whom? The fans or the players? I know I can carry on if we don’t win the Super Bowl this year. Everything short of that is a playoff loss. The players are professional athletes, being paid millions. Yes, they will be disappointed, but I don’t see debilitated. I see players laughing and hugging after a loss, while some fans are too emotional for that, even more than the players. 

[Einstein's Dog]

10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I alluded to him being used like every other new acquisition we have brought in and not made changes to the scheme to best effect, to capitalize on his presence on the line, our zone is the softest of coverage, did you not see teams march down the field taking what our soft zone gave away?

They have yet to make changes thus far, 

But what about when they brought the big fish Von in?  I'm talking with the unhurt version right of Von right out of the gate.  Didn't he start by making his presence felt in the first game, against the Rams?  The Bills were Superbowl favorites.  Lets replicate that with Garrett as the new piece.