How many of us are "trade for Garrett/Crosby/Parsons/etc." or it's serious offseason disappointment?

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I wish there was an easy way to track people’s opinions here. If you are pro-trade, you should not be allowed to complain if/when he gets hurt. Know that there is an element of chance here, and it could result in a SB, but he could also end up like Von…..a big swing that ended up on IR. 

 

Some people here will be for the signing now but will be critical of the Bills if it goes sideways. You can’t have it both ways. 

 

For the record, I’d love Garrett if the price is close to reasonable. 

Miller had an ACL before the trade didn't he ? Maybe i am wrong

Might also be wrong he was brought in for his leadership and ability to Teach.

 And I will B word no matter what.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We’ve never inserted the best defensive player in football into the lineup. Now maybe it isn’t “the impact hoped for” but it would be a massive impact because of the talent of Garrett. 

Well, if “ they” are not willing to make “adjustments “ to optimize, say, a guy like Garrett, Just sayin…, more than a personnel change is needed, considering we need other positions bolstered as well, this isn’t as easy as a plug and play, again, jmo. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

23 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I think you have to weigh out both.

But the answer needs to be a game changer. Possibly two for the defense ( I am leaning D and DT ) no matter how they are acquired.

Garrett is the correct answer , if the stars would align. It's gonna cost but Beane can sort that out without crippling the team.

 

Shelling out the picks to get a Garrett does, however limit the likelihood of having the picks to find a DT that makes an impact in the draft. And I don't see the FA market deep there.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Well, if “ they” are not willing to make “adjustments “ to optimize, say, a guy like Garrett, Just sayin…, more than a personnel change is needed, considering we need other positions bolstered as well, this isn’t as easy as a plug and play, again, jmo. 

No doubt that they need to make adjustments to the scheme. I think that we are underestimating how good Garrett is (and I only use Garrett for this example). Just plugging him in will make a big difference. He’s just too talented to not have a massive impact. Could it be even more with the perfect scheme? Sure. It isn’t one or the other though. Both will improve the d

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Everyone needs to realize that one guy isn’t gonna be what makes the difference with this defense, the scheme itself needs to be revamped on top of the positional needs that need to be addressed, because rolling out the same soft coverages again and expecting something different to be the result is a recipe for another post season let down, the brain trust needs to get on the stick and make the correct changes in how this defense operates, imo. 

 

This I don't agree with.  McDermott's scheme has historically been predicated mostly on getting pressure with the horses up front and allowing the back end to drop into zones to cover.  We've just never had the horses.

 

The Eagles played a ton of zone in the Super Bowl and destroyed the Chiefs because of the horses up front.

 

Myles Garrett would make a massive difference on this Defense.  I don't know how you could argue otherwise.  And then suddenly Groot becomes a fantastic complementary Edge on the other side.  Find your 1 tech in the draft with whatever draft capital remains for day 2.  Like I said in the OP, Dane Brugler had a ton of guys on the DL in his top 100.

 

But the notion that an Elite, HOF Defensive Lineman in his prime might not be the difference for us is losing their mind.  See Chris Jones and all of the playoff games where he actually made those handful of plays that absolutely were the difference.  

 

Buffalo lost to KC by 3 points in the AFC Championship game.  Are you seriously saying that if we substituted Von Miller out for Garrett opposite Groot that the results probably wouldn't have been any different?

 

And people need to stop using that "soft coverage" term.  Go listen to the guys who watch the film like Joe Marino and Anthony Prohaska and Bruce Nolan... these guys all emphasize that it's just zone that we run, but it's a zone defense that's predicated on the idea of getting pressure with 4.  We just can't do that.  

 

It's not "soft coverage," it's just zone coverage.

Edited 4 hours ago by transplantbillsfan

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

Bean paid a reasonable price for Diggs (a #1 I think)   Two #1s would be foolish though, no matter how good Crosby or Garrett might be.  The Miller deal was a clean miss.  He has not been the closer Bean thought he was getting.  Now he is old and slow and getting by on experience.  His recent fumble recovery return showed how slow he is now. (he was run down by his own DL mates trying to block.

 

Actually the Diggs trade was more than a 1st.  It was a 2020 seventh-round pick in exchange for a 2020 first-round pick (No. 22 overall), a 2020 fifth-round pick, a 2020 sixth-round pick and a 2021 fourth-round pick.

 

And Diggs was nowhere near the caliber of player at the time of the move that Garrett is now.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We’ve never inserted the best defensive player in football into the lineup. Now maybe it isn’t “the impact hoped for” but it would be a massive impact because of the talent of Garrett. 

It's all upside from where I sit and make judgements. Agree with our Friend .. Don Otreply.

 Scheme need to be tweaked regardless. Bring in a stud , McBabich must adjust the scheme to his best threats and strengths. 

They need to adjust from Frazier Days and bring some new looks. Expand what the front four do to emulate Philly ?

 

 BTW any more thought on Sweat ?

 

[BillsPride12]

9 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

This is my position on acquiring Miles Garrett, too, and I've never been one to chase after this big name or that via trade or free agency.  Garrett is special.  He's worth the risk that he might be injured and not play as well in the future as he has in the past. 

100%

 

I feel like this could be our version of Reggie White going to the Packers in 96 right before they went to back to back Super Bowls

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No doubt that they need to make adjustments to the scheme. I think that we are underestimating how good Garrett is (and I only use Garrett for this example). Just plugging him in will make a big difference. He’s just too talented to not have a massive impact. Could it be even more with the perfect scheme? Sure. It isn’t one or the other though. Both will improve the d

I think some people don't realize it either.  We are not talking about a Mario Williams here we are talking about another Bruce Smith

[3rdand12]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Shelling out the picks to get a Garrett does, however limit the likelihood of having the picks to find a DT that makes an impact in the draft. And I don't see the FA market deep there.

Beane can move around better than most in the draft. For better or worse lol

 Folks here are saying its a deeper draft for

D line

I dont pretend to know that. But i cannot yet agree Beane cant find an outside Run stuffing chunk of angry to ply over the Center on occasion and take on doubles without moving much.

WR is tricky and CB is important. This whole shebang is WAY above me.

But I do Believe it can be done in one offseason. Improve four positions and one dramatically.

You are of course correct about level of difficulty

[Mr. WEO]

If any of them changes their first name to "Shaq", McD will pick them up at the airport.

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

If any of them changes their first name to "Shaq", McD will pick them up at the airport.

well there is a LB in FA with the name.

Garrett you go get him and hold his hand lovingly , fly him back to Buffalo in Terry's personal Jet

 Have Josh take him to all the wing joints and answer the burning question we have yet to broach.....

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I wish there was an easy way to track people’s opinions here. If you are pro-trade, you should not be allowed to complain if/when he gets hurt. Know that there is an element of chance here, and it could result in a SB, but he could also end up like Von…..a big swing that ended up on IR. 

 

Some people here will be for the signing now but will be critical of the Bills if it goes sideways. You can’t have it both ways. 

 

For the record, I’d love Garrett if the price is close to reasonable. 

 

Dude... a rookie 1st round pick could have a catastrophic injury and never live up to their potential.  Or they could get multiple concussions in their first couple seasons and retire early.

 

Absolutely anything can happen.

 

What you get with Garrett is the security you don't get with ANY rookie you draft in knowing that he's an Elite, HOF player.  What you also get in Garrett is a guy who's just built differently.  Von won with speed, agility, and bend off the edge.  A player like that is more likely to get an ACL injury than a guy like Garrett who has his own speed and bend but wins mostly with power.  The guy is 25 lbs heavier than Von and only an inch taller.

 

Maybe we should track people's opinions on NOT trading for a guy like Garrett instead.  If the picks we make for players we otherwise would have traded for Myles Garrett don't cumulatively impact this team as much as Myles Garrett would have on his own, maybe we should point the finger at those folks.

 

I mean... you can't have it both ways, right?

 

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Everyone needs to realize that one guy isn’t gonna be what makes the difference with this defense, the scheme itself needs to be revamped on top of the positional needs that need to be addressed, because rolling out the same soft coverages again and expecting something different to be the result is a recipe for another post season let down, the brain trust needs to get on the stick and make the correct changes in how this defense operates, imo. 

 

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

If that one guy is deployed like every other new acquisition we’ve ever had he isn’t going to have the impact that is hoped for, scheme has to change for that guy to have the desired effect, jmo.

 

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Well, if “ they” are not willing to make “adjustments “ to optimize, say, a guy like Garrett, Just sayin…, more than a personnel change is needed, considering we need other positions bolstered as well, this isn’t as easy as a plug and play, again, jmo. 

 

I cannot believe that McDermott -- or any NFL HC with half a brain and lacking a super-sized ego -- would get the best DLer in the NFL on his roster and NOT design a defensive scheme to maximize his talents.   McDermott is the guy who fired his OC during the season and allowed his new OC to immediately start refashioning the offensive scheme to take better advantage of the Bills offensive talent.  What evidence do you have that McDermott and Babich wouldn't refashion the Bills defensive scheme to take advantage of Garrett's -- or even a somewhat lesser "game wrecker" type DLer -- that the Bills added to the team other than your own obvious dislike of McDermott?

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Agree with you that you can't have it both ways. The Bills are a win now team. Garrett is a proven player at this level. Given how Beane has struck out on many picks in the early rounds I would rather trade for the proven player.

 

I agree there were some bad whiffs early, but every team has misses and it’s easier to miss when you draft around 30. Despite that, I really like drafting in the 30’s because it means we did well. We need to get some difference makers early, we are due. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Dude... a rookie 1st round pick could have a catastrophic injury and never live up to their potential.  Or they could get multiple concussions in their first couple seasons and retire early.

 

Absolutely anything can happen.

 

What you get with Garrett is the security you don't get with ANY rookie you draft in knowing that he's an Elite, HOF player.  What you also get in Garrett is a guy who's just built differently.  Von won with speed, agility, and bend off the edge.  A player like that is more likely to get an ACL injury than a guy like Garrett who has his own speed and bend but wins mostly with power.  The guy is 25 lbs heavier than Von and only an inch taller.

 

Maybe we should track people's opinions on NOT trading for a guy like Garrett instead.  If the picks we make for players we otherwise would have traded for Myles Garrett don't cumulatively impact this team as much as Myles Garrett would have on his own, maybe we should point the finger at those folks.

 

I mean... you can't have it both ways, right?

 

You lost me early, and I think you may have missed my point. Yes, any one guy can get hurt. It’s very unlikely that your 1st and second round picks this year, and your first NEXT year, will ALL tear their ACL’s. It’s a lot of eggs in one basket, and if you are for it now you can’t change your mind if he gets hurt. That is my point. I’ve seen this crowd in action. It’s not always rational thoughts, and too often unwarranted emotional reactions.

 

As I have said repeatedly, how can you be for or against anything without knowing the cost? That is irrational. I’m all in, at a reasonable cost. I’m not Herschel Walker stupid.  

[MasterStrategist]

I've said many times this offseason, that it's a GREAT year for looking at CB and S in FA.  And DL help in the draft.

 

Id be looking to move Elam, sign a solid #2 corner and find a true centerfielder/FS...FA class is pretty stocked with options.

 

More swings at DL, better chance of hitting a homerun.  Talent aligns with our picks.  We need to draft at least 2 DL, if not 3, with our Day 1 & 2 selections.  Depending what is done with Von and Daquon, and possibly AJE.

 

Sign a Slayton type at WR.  Our last 2 top picks are Kincaid and Keon.  Both these guys need to take a major step up in 2025.

 

There's a reason we brought in an infantry of DL coaching this offseason, I expect alot of resources/draft picks spent on rebuilding that room...along with secondary.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

You lost me early, and I think you may have missed my point. Yes, any one guy can get hurt. It’s very unlikely that your 1st and second round picks this year, and your first NEXT year, will ALL tear their ACL’s. It’s a lot of eggs in one basket, and if you are for it now you can’t change your mind if he gets hurt. That is my point. I’ve seen this crowd in action. It’s not always rational thoughts, and too often unwarranted emotional reactions.

 

As I have said repeatedly, how can you be for or against anything without knowing the cost? That is irrational. I’m all in, at a reasonable cost. I’m not Herschel Walker stupid.  

 

We are clearly talking about something that is 3 1st round picks or less.

 

Myles Garrett has missed 5 games in his NFL career for injury. 1 for a concussion and 4 for a high ankle sprain.

 

Are you saying odds are more likely that Garrett will suffer a season ending injury than the combination of all the draft capital we trade for him?

 

I would argue that Garrett would be more impactful to the team than all those draft picks you're talking about.

 

Scouts always say draft the ceiling, not the floor. In other words, hope for the best. With Garrett, we know what his best is and it's amazing. Not so much with any draft pick.

[Virgil]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Shelling out the picks to get a Garrett does, however limit the likelihood of having the picks to find a DT that makes an impact in the draft. And I don't see the FA market deep there.

If Garrett, Oliver, and Groot can’t get it done, or elevate the 4th lineman, there’s no hope anyways.