How many of us are "trade for Garrett/Crosby/Parsons/etc." or it's serious offseason disappointment?

[Mat68]

The premier edge defender is the best impact for the 2025 Bills.  If the market is more inflated and those guys stay put this is the year to invest in the DLine.  The majority of the top 60-80 players are defensive lineman.  2 of the Bills first 3 picks could potentially be starting caliber defenders on the line.  I want the put the chips in and go for it move.
 

 Now I think that style of move doesn't have to be dline.  Maybe DB, maybe Wr.  Might get the best overall return by filling either of thise spots via trade   And using the picks remaining for Dline.  Interesting year for sure.  The draft lines up with Buffalos needs but that might not be where they go.  Time will tell.  I expect a heavy amount of capital invested into the defense again. 

[Logic]

Me.

This coaching staff has shown that they haven't been able to get immediate game changing impact from any edge defenders (or penetrating defensive tackles) they draft.

Drafting at 30 makes instant impact even more unlikely.

We already saw what the "draft and develop" route looks like: We did this with both Epenesa and Rousseau, and here we are after years five and four for those guys, still saying we need impact edge help.

We also haven't seen game changing impact from ANY 1st or 2nd round defenders the Bills have drafted under Beane, period.

Josh's prime is now. The "beat the Chiefs and win a couple Super Bowls" window is open NOW. 

Go get me an instant impact defender (and one legitimate outside receiver somehow), use remaining picks for defensive depth, and let the chips fall where they may.

Edited 22 hours ago by Logic

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree that there are scheme changes to be made. I don’t, for a second, believe that adding the best defensive player in football doesn’t change things. 

I'm out on using this team's primary chips to give McDermott defensive linemen he has no idea what to do with.

Focus on giving Josh Allen multiple options on the boundary and win games through the offense, driven by the best player in the NFL.

I have to abstain from this poll I suppose.

[Einstein]

Put another way:

Would you trade Dalton Kincaid and Kaiir Elam for Myles Garrett?

Those are our last 2 first round picks. 

If you wouldn't, then you're saying you have faith that Beane will suddenly make better first round choices.

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

I'm out on using this team's primary chips to give McDermott defensive linemen he has no idea what to do with.

Focus on giving Josh Allen multiple options on the boundary and win games through the offense, driven by the best player in the NFL.

I have to abstain from this poll I suppose.

I’m of the belief that helping Josh is priorities 1 through 5. If they are ever going to win it’s because of Josh not McDermott’s defense. With that said, we would have to be morons to not want Garrett on this team. He can move the needle despite the scheme much like Josh has on offense. If they can get pressure and pressure in big moments, they can win.

Edited 22 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Mark Vader]

I feel that that the Bills should focus on trading for players who are still relatively young, but are on losing teams.

 

Go after Myles Garrett or Maxx Crosby.

 

Go after Jeffery Simmons or Dexter Lawrence.

 

Go after D.K. Metcalf.

 

These are proven players who can help us right now. Even if you just get one of them.

 

I'll say it again, I don't care about draft picks. The future is NOW for the Buffalo Bills.

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Me.

This coaching staff has shown that they haven't been able to get immediate game changing impact from any edge defenders (or penetrating defensive tackles) they draft.

Drafting at 30 makes instant impact even more unlikely.

We already saw what the "draft and develop" route looks like: We did this with both Epenesa and Rousseau, and here we are after years five and four for those guys, still saying we need impact edge help.

We also haven't seen game changing impact from ANY 1st or 2nd round defenders the Bills have drafted under Beane, period.

Josh's prime is now. The "beat the Chiefs and win a couple Super Bowls" window is open NOW. 

Go get me an instant impact defender (and one legitimate outside receiver somehow), use remaining picks for defensive depth, and let the chips fall where they may.

I would argue this is the best class at Dline since Olivers class.  The talent available would be very hard to pass up.  Could very well see the Diggs trade.  Buffalo trades a massive package and miss the chance at drafting Jefferson. 

[Augie]

 

I wish there was an easy way to track people’s opinions here. If you are pro-trade, you should not be allowed to complain if/when he gets hurt. Know that there is an element of chance here, and it could result in a SB, but he could also end up like Von…..a big swing that ended up on IR. 

 

Some people here will be for the signing now but will be critical of the Bills if it goes sideways. You can’t have it both ways. 

 

For the record, I’d love Garrett if the price is close to reasonable. 

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I wish there was an easy way to track people’s opinions here. If you are pro-trade, you should not be allowed to complain if/when he gets hurt. Know that there is an element of chance here, and it could result in a SB, but he could also end up like Von…..a big swing that ended up on IR. 

 

Some people here will be for the signing now but will be critical of the Bills if it goes sideways. You can’t have it both ways. 

 

For the record, I’d love Garrett if the price is close to reasonable. 

 

I am for the trade. Garrett is an elite level talent that desperately fills a need. Going into the season he will be 29 and turns 30 in December. He is younger than Von. As far as getting hurt. That can happen to any player at any age. Injuries happen to every team so you can't worry about stuff like that.

[Augie]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

I am for the trade. Garrett is an elite level talent that desperately fills a need. Going into the season he will be 29 and turns 30 in December. He is younger than Von. As far as getting hurt. That can happen to any player at any age. Injuries happen to every team so you can't worry about stuff like that.

 

I agree, but I just know we will have people who will be for it now, then turn on Beane if there is a setback. THAT is what ticks me off, unreasonable complaining. 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I agree, but I just know we will have people who will be for it now, then turn on Beane if there is a setback. THAT is what ticks me off, unreasonable complaining. 

 

Agree with you that you can't have it both ways. The Bills are a win now team. Garrett is a proven player at this level. Given how Beane has struck out on many picks in the early rounds I would rather trade for the proven player.

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree that there are scheme changes to be made. I don’t, for a second, believe that adding the best defensive player in football doesn’t change things. 

If that one guy is deployed like every other new acquisition we’ve ever had he isn’t going to have the impact that is hoped for, scheme has to change for that guy to have the desired effect, jmo.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

If that one guy is deployed like every other new acquisition we’ve ever had he isn’t going to have the impact that is hoped for, scheme has to change for that guy to have the desired effect, jmo.

We’ve never inserted the best defensive player in football into the lineup. Now maybe it isn’t “the impact hoped for” but it would be a massive impact because of the talent of Garrett. 

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

Someone needs to tell me if the teams strategy is to be able to win games when we give up 31 points or to hold playoff teams to 23 and under.  If it’s the first strategy we need another WR. If it’s the second we need immediate help on all three levels of defense. 

The 2nd strategy should be the only one considered. Yes, I'd love to have a speed boundary wr....but we've proven with a bunch of lower tier wrs we can still score 30 pts in a playoff game.  

[Kirby Jackson]

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

Someone needs to tell me if the teams strategy is to be able to win games when we give up 31 points or to hold playoff teams to 23 and under.  If it’s the first strategy we need another WR. If it’s the second we need immediate help on all three levels of defense. 

I guess the generic answer is “both.” Why do they only address one or the other? I fully expect 4 to 5 new starters on the team in 2025. A boundary WR, a DE, a DT, a CB and a S (which may be Bishop). 

[3rdand12]

12 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think this is the most logical answer.

 

We all like new shiny toys, especially those with flashy names.  But first of all...there's no guarantee ANY of these guys even get moved. The Browns have a hard line in the sand that they aren't trading Garrett. If you want him you'll have to blow their doors off with an offer. And even then they may hold tight.

 

I've seen nothing about Crosby actually being on the block...and he's actively stated he wants to stay with the Raiders. Most of the names floated are pure speculation. Happens every off season and a high percentage of the time one or maybe two big name guys are moves for picks. 

 

If one of the vets can be had for a reasonable amount...great. If we have to look to the draft... great. Just find talented guys at a good value 

I think you have to weigh out both.

But the answer needs to be a game changer. Possibly two for the defense ( I am leaning D and DT ) no matter how they are acquired.

Garrett is the correct answer , if the stars would align. It's gonna cost but Beane can sort that out without crippling the team.

 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess the generic answer is “both.” Why do they only address one or the other? I fully expect 4 to 5 new starters on the team in 2025. A boundary WR, a DE, a DT, a CB and a S (which may be Bishop). 

 

I think 1T, CB and S are racing certainties because I expect Jones, Hamlin and Douglas to be gone. WR and DE however are the two biggest impact spots where we need more.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

it could result in a SB, but he could also end up like Von…..a big swing that ended up on IR. 

 

Von is a perfect example of a player Beane should have traded for but refused to give us the required capital to make it happen.

 

Instead he was traded to LA and won a Super Bowl.

 

I firmly believe we win the Super Bowl in 2021 if Beane made the Von trade. We needed just ONE stop against Mahomes that year and Von was still elite at that time.

 

But Beane didn’t want to give up the 2nd round pick so instead we watched the Super Bowl from home.

 

 

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Me.

This coaching staff has shown that they haven't been able to get immediate game changing impact from any edge defenders (or penetrating defensive tackles) they draft.

Drafting at 30 makes instant impact even more unlikely.

We already saw what the "draft and develop" route looks like: We did this with both Epenesa and Rousseau, and here we are after years five and four for those guys, still saying we need impact edge help.

We also haven't seen game changing impact from ANY 1st or 2nd round defenders the Bills have drafted under Beane, period.

Josh's prime is now. The "beat the Chiefs and win a couple Super Bowls" window is open NOW. 

Go get me an instant impact defender (and one legitimate outside receiver somehow), use remaining picks for defensive depth, and let the chips fall where they may.

DE

D Jones position upgraded x2+

CB  safety and the WR type Bills are missing

That is my list

[transplantbillsfan]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

If this was a poll option, I think it would be the runaway winner. I can’t be for or against something without knowing the cost.

 

 I don’t care if you are buying a car, or a house, or a great DE, there is no way on earth I can make a decision without knowing the cost. Yes or no is a question nobody should be able to answer without more knowledge. That’s just an emotional response to frustration, and I don’t like to make decisions that way. 

 

.

 

So what's your cost?

 

There are a range of opinions in terms of what it would take to get Garrett... from only 1 1st rounder and not much else to 3 1st rounders and potentially a player.

 

I think the reality is that the trade will be in the middle.  It will be 2 1st rounders plus probably a player and/or a draft pick.

 

I could see this year's 1st and 2nd and next year's 1st for Garrett being the ball park of the price.

 

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

 

And as some have already said, Garrett is in a different category from everyone else, including even Von Miller.  And first of all, the Von Miller trade was actually working out very well until he tore his ACL.  That said, Von was 3 years older than Garrett and Garrett plays the game in a way that will probably allow him to be Elite for much longer in his career. He's big and powerful and plays similarly to the way Bruce Smith used to and Bruce was playing at an Elite level into his mid 30s.

 

As for the response from Thurm and what you're saying here as far as the criticism of my "or bust" portion of my statement, all I'm really asking is if you'll spend most of the offseason disappointed and skeptical if we don't get one of those guys as opposed to spending the rest of the offseason in optimistic excitement.  I'm not saying it's one of those guys or next season is an automatic failure.