NFL Combine Thread: 1 (PK, DL & LB's)

[EmotionallyUnstable]

16 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

The price to move to 18 would be one of the Bills' 2nd round picks this year.  That's too steep, in my opinion, given how many needs the team currently has (DT, DE, CB, S, WR).  

Pair this with Beane’s track record for targeting and moving up for his guy in the early rounds…it’s best to have more chances to hit. 
 

They should be able to find 3 starters in the first two rounds of this draft. 

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Pair this with Beane’s track record for targeting and moving up for his guy in the early rounds…it’s best to have more chances to hit. 
 

They should be able to find 3 starters in the first two rounds of this draft. 

Now I’m just completely spitballing here but I could see the Bills doing a deal with Minnesota where the Bills move up to 24 give them back 56 but get back their 3rd rounder 97. The value chart almost matches up. Beane gets back into the 3rd round, doesn’t lose a pick and gets the player he wants at 24 if available 

[OldTimer1960]

4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Now I’m just completely spitballing here but I could see the Bills doing a deal with Minnesota where the Bills move up to 24 give them back 56 but get back their 3rd rounder 97. The value chart almost matches up. Beane gets back into the 3rd round, doesn’t lose a pick and gets the player he wants at 24 if available 

I suppose it depends on who is there, but they are moving up 6 spots and dropping 41 spots- pick 56 is still in where they may find good players, 97 is a lot more questionable.

 

I would be more inclined to drop out of the first - still within top 40 and maybe pick up an extra 3rd or 4th.  
 

it’s not that I’m especially interested in an extra 3rd/4th, but I think you can get a very similar player at 40 as you can 30 in this draft.

[gonzo1105]

12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I suppose it depends on who is there, but they are moving up 6 spots and dropping 41 spots- pick 56 is still in where they may find good players, 97 is a lot more questionable.

 

I would be more inclined to drop out of the first - still within top 40 and maybe pick up an extra 3rd or 4th.  
 

it’s not that I’m especially interested in an extra 3rd/4th, but I think you can get a very similar player at 40 as you can 30 in this draft.

I totally understand what your saying and I’m in the same camp I’m just saying if Beane is going to do it like he has shown in the past I think that’s his preferred way versus giving up both 4ths 

[ColoradoBills]

7 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Now I’m just completely spitballing here but I could see the Bills doing a deal with Minnesota where the Bills move up to 24 give them back 56 but get back their 3rd rounder 97. The value chart almost matches up. Beane gets back into the 3rd round, doesn’t lose a pick and gets the player he wants at 24 if available 

 

The draft pick was Minnesota, but the trade was with Houston.  They have the 3rd rounder.

[gonzo1105]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The draft pick was Minnesota, but the trade was with Houston.  They have the 3rd rounder.

Minnesota is going to have the 97th pick or around it for losing Kirk Cousins 

[OldTimer1960]

I will probably get some heat for this take, but I keep reading that the DE group (and DT) in this draft is very deep.  I guess looking at it there are a fair number of DEs who could be decent starters, but after Carter, Pearce, Green and maybe Ezeirauku I think many of the “starting caliber” DEs are more good run defenders who may register 5-8 sacks per year.  I get that Shemar Stewart has the potential to be a big sack guy, but he hasn’t done it yet - same with Mykel Williams.  I do think that Scourton and maybe Umanmielen have potential to be good sack producers, however after that it looks like “solid” “balanced” DEs like Jackson, Sawyer, Tuimoloau, Ivey and Burch.  
 

To be clear, there isn’t anything wrong with having a solid run defender that might scrape together 5-8 sacks per year- those guys have value.  I guess I am just preemptively arguing that our expectations for a DE that the Bills might be able to draft should be more in the solid vs “dominant pass rusher” category.  
 

I would be happy to be wrong on this.  Who else do you see in the draft at DE that might make it to 30 or 56/62 that have plus pass rusher potential?

 

Note, I recognize that DTs can also generate pass rush pressure and it is possible that the best way for the Bills to help their pass rush may be to add a good DT - even a big plugger at DT might draw enough attention to help free up the DEs.

 

Thoughts?

[gonzo1105]

25 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I will probably get some heat for this take, but I keep reading that the DE group (and DT) in this draft is very deep.  I guess looking at it there are a fair number of DEs who could be decent starters, but after Carter, Pearce, Green and maybe Ezeirauku I think many of the “starting caliber” DEs are more good run defenders who may register 5-8 sacks per year.  I get that Shemar Stewart has the potential to be a big sack guy, but he hasn’t done it yet - same with Mykel Williams.  I do think that Scourton and maybe Umanmielen have potential to be good sack producers, however after that it looks like “solid” “balanced” DEs like Jackson, Sawyer, Tuimoloau, Ivey and Burch.  
 

To be clear, there isn’t anything wrong with having a solid run defender that might scrape together 5-8 sacks per year- those guys have value.  I guess I am just preemptively arguing that our expectations for a DE that the Bills might be able to draft should be more in the solid vs “dominant pass rusher” category.  
 

I would be happy to be wrong on this.  Who else do you see in the draft at DE that might make it to 30 or 56/62 that have plus pass rusher potential?

 

Note, I recognize that DTs can also generate pass rush pressure and it is possible that the best way for the Bills to help their pass rush may be to add a good DT - even a big plugger at DT might draw enough attention to help free up the DEs.

 

Thoughts?

When it comes to the DEs I think you you see a lot of guys who have all the traits to be double sack guys but for one reason or another it never showed up. 
 

I think with Stewart you have to look at the tape. On paper the numbers are yikes but the athletic traits are man what happened there. Stewart was a game wrecker with pressures just for one reason or another didn’t get the actual sacks but you can see it on the tape with him. 
 

Mykel Williams I’m less high on I see what you see a plus run defender who is going to have to rely solely on power to get sacks unless he develops a pass rush repertoire 

 

Scourton I think can be like a George Karlaftis type. For whatever reason he gained a ton of weight this year and you can tell it affected his pass rush. Go back to the Purdue tape when he was lighter and it’s like watching a different player. 
 

The rest of the guys you listed you are correct on besides Burch. Burch is an athletic freak that didn’t put it together till he got to Oregon and he got a lot of clean up sacks. He has a ton of upside though and he’s the guy I’d take out of that group you mentioned. 
 

I really like Bradyn Swinson out of LSU. You can see the natural pass rush on tape, he had natural bend in the hoop drill but he’s a one year wonder risk as well but at least you can see a guy who could become like a Leonard Floyd type in the NFL which would be a hell of a pick for the end of round 2 if he reaches that ceiling 

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I will probably get some heat for this take, but I keep reading that the DE group (and DT) in this draft is very deep.  I guess looking at it there are a fair number of DEs who could be decent starters, but after Carter, Pearce, Green and maybe Ezeirauku I think many of the “starting caliber” DEs are more good run defenders who may register 5-8 sacks per year.  I get that Shemar Stewart has the potential to be a big sack guy, but he hasn’t done it yet - same with Mykel Williams.  I do think that Scourton and maybe Umanmielen have potential to be good sack producers, however after that it looks like “solid” “balanced” DEs like Jackson, Sawyer, Tuimoloau, Ivey and Burch.  
 

To be clear, there isn’t anything wrong with having a solid run defender that might scrape together 5-8 sacks per year- those guys have value.  I guess I am just preemptively arguing that our expectations for a DE that the Bills might be able to draft should be more in the solid vs “dominant pass rusher” category.  
 

I would be happy to be wrong on this.  Who else do you see in the draft at DE that might make it to 30 or 56/62 that have plus pass rusher potential?

 

Note, I recognize that DTs can also generate pass rush pressure and it is possible that the best way for the Bills to help their pass rush may be to add a good DT - even a big plugger at DT might draw enough attention to help free up the DEs.

 

Thoughts?

Strong DT in the draft. Hoping for Pass rush from FA. Both have to be solved imo

WR CB and Safety and now TE need ? I dont care. But 3 of those 4 need to be on the field 1st year with Bills

[KOKBILLS]

5 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I will probably get some heat for this take, but I keep reading that the DE group (and DT) in this draft is very deep.  I guess looking at it there are a fair number of DEs who could be decent starters, but after Carter, Pearce, Green and maybe Ezeirauku I think many of the “starting caliber” DEs are more good run defenders who may register 5-8 sacks per year.  I get that Shemar Stewart has the potential to be a big sack guy, but he hasn’t done it yet - same with Mykel Williams.  I do think that Scourton and maybe Umanmielen have potential to be good sack producers, however after that it looks like “solid” “balanced” DEs like Jackson, Sawyer, Tuimoloau, Ivey and Burch.  
 

To be clear, there isn’t anything wrong with having a solid run defender that might scrape together 5-8 sacks per year- those guys have value.  I guess I am just preemptively arguing that our expectations for a DE that the Bills might be able to draft should be more in the solid vs “dominant pass rusher” category.  
 

I would be happy to be wrong on this.  Who else do you see in the draft at DE that might make it to 30 or 56/62 that have plus pass rusher potential?

 

Note, I recognize that DTs can also generate pass rush pressure and it is possible that the best way for the Bills to help their pass rush may be to add a good DT - even a big plugger at DT might draw enough attention to help free up the DEs.

 

Thoughts?

 

I pretty much agree... With Mykel Williams it all depends on how much the injury held him back in 2024, because in 2023 he looked like a potential top 5 pick.

 

I think there are some potential sleepers if they hit just right... Specifically Landon Jackson who I think has a really good upside. I can see him turning into a monster in the NFL, and I can also see him turn out with an Epenesa-like floor... That's the gap I think... I also really like Josaiah Stewart as a PR specialist... I don't care about his size. Just get him in there to rush the QB... There are some that really like Kyle Kennard, and I think David Walker is another undersized Edge with PR upside. 

 

Anyway... I do feel like there is a spot in this Draft where the air kind of comes out at DE, it thins out, and a lot of these guys are undersized... It depends on where you Draft them I guess. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:06 AM by KOKBILLS

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Strong DT in the draft. Hoping for Pass rush from FA. Both have to be solved imo

WR CB and Safety and now TE need ? I dont care. But 3 of those 4 need to be on the field 1st year with Bills

 

Morris not being tendered does not suddenly elevate TE to a "need." It DOES, however, elevate TE to an opportunity for a new talent to make the roster, if they don't re-sign Morris in FA. That would allow the Bills to draft and actually roster a new TE prospect, knowing Knox's contract has its first reasonable "out" after 2025. Otherwise a rookie TE would have a difficult path to the 53 unless he just beats out the versatile and effective Morris. Then that rookie would be poachable, obviously. 

[3rdand12]

Not a high priority perhaps. But that ACL or what the injury was for Rodgers the back up ?
 Morris must be done period

He a had a good role and teams especially

 I find it a need 

 and not to be argumentative 😉

But Bills need 3 very decent TEs. just my opinion Bud