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1 hour ago, Brand J said:

The Josh Allen Bills are 7-1 in the playoffs against all teams not named Kansas City. Make decisions on upcoming FAs (within the team and outside) based on how they play against the Chiefs. Rousseau? It’s a pass for me at anything more than $18M/yr. Benford is always hurt, so it’s hard to tell. Bernard is fine, just needs more help on the DL. Shakir always balls out, but the $20M/yr tag is a bit of sticker shock. Probably worth it though.

but outside of the bengals..of whom they lost to, who have they played in the playoffs that were all that good?

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12 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

So you don't think the Lions injuries had anything to do with how their season turned out?

I don’t think their defensive injuries caused Goff to throw a pick six and get concussed. I also don’t think it caused Jameson Williams to throw the worst WR pass in NFL playoff history. 
 

Sure, did it not help? Absolutely. 
 

The point is that if the Lions are continually losing in the postseason and their QB is turning it over 4 times (like Goff did) in every loss, it’s going to be hard to squint and say “man it’s just the injuries huh”

 

Every team can claim injuries. Zay Flowers missed the divisional round, should we replay that game for Baltimore?

 

Its silly.

7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Rookies playing and your starters injured is not the same thing.  Very different actually.

 

 

Imagine if KC lost their starting safety in the opening minutes of the 2023 divisional game. Bills would certainly have won by a ton, right?

 

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

See with that I disagree. Tua on this team the Bills still win the AFCE unless you are putting Josh on the Dolphins in return. They probably lose in the first round of the playoffs though. 

This year? No.
 

This is way off. 2024 with league average QB play and we are picking top 5

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58 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Cincinnati  had half of their starting offensive line out and still whipped Buffalo in the playoffs. 

 

Baltimore was missing their best receiver and didn't use that excuse after losing to Buffalo.

 

 Using injuries as an excuse is a losing mentality.   Bringing up injuries as a reason for losing year after year is an excuse, whether some admit it or not.  Either get the job done or figure a way to improve, period.

Yup. 100%

36 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Or maybe the Bills have just had a run of bad luck.  Do you really think that the Commanders would have beaten the Lions in the Divisional Round if they don't have 16 players on IR for that game, including their best defender, Aidan Hutchinson?

 

Untrue.   They didn't have Rapp.  They didn't have Benford.

It's not an excuse. Again kc had multiple injuries in the 22 and 23 playoffs. 

 

They had all rookies in the secondary playing vs Cincinnati in the 22 AFC championship 

 

 

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It’s a Beane and the draft issue.  
 

I’m also a beginning to wonder about the Babbich hire. 
 

This is going to be year 3 for him.  How good a DC is he and really - is he truly the DC?  
 

 

I don’t expect McD to not be heavily involved with defense, scheme, game planning, and play calling. 
 

McD needs to get it where Belichick had the right guys for his defense in New England.  Their defense during almost the entirety of Brady’s career was always elite.  
 

If McD can’t get it there by 2027 (he’s opening the new stadium - he’s not getting fired any time soon) then we can evaluate firing him.
 

He’s got 2 more seasons to fix this defense.    

Posted
37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

McDermott has never been scared to play young guys. Hell he started Christian Benford (a 6th round rookie) week 1. When McDermott doesn't play young guys it is eithet because there is a stud infront of them or because they are not ready. And for those in the latter camp when they get on the field they always struggle. He doesn't play the ones who are not ready to play. 

 

The Bills told you in their end of season pressers they are disappointed with Keon (in a pretty direct way for them) and they hinted they were disappointed inIts
Bishop too. This idea that you just play the guys and they magically become good. It is for the birds.

Its great that McD started Benford, because Elam was a bust, he had to start him(And I havent been disappointed, great pick by Beane).   What Im trying to convey is just how much KC transformed their D.   It wasnt just McDuffie vs Elam.   It was about drafting talent and giving them opportunities.   The roots of that consistency – at least for the defensive players – rests with Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who trusted six rookies – Karlaftis, McDuffie, Chenal, Williams, Watson and Cook – to combine for 3,057 defensive snaps in 2022.   Bolton, who stuffed Josh was another great piece drafted a year earlier.  

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6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don’t think their defensive injuries caused Goff to throw a pick six and get concussed. I also don’t think it caused Jameson Williams to throw the worst WR pass in NFL playoff history. 
 

Sure, did it not help? Absolutely. 
 

The point is that if the Lions are continually losing in the postseason and their QB is turning it over 4 times (like Goff did) in every loss, it’s going to be hard to squint and say “man it’s just the injuries huh”

 

Every team can claim injuries. Zay Flowers missed the divisional round, should we replay that game for Baltimore?

 

Its silly.

Imagine if KC lost their starting safety in the opening minutes of the 2023 divisional game. Bills would certainly have won by a ton, right?

 

This year? No.
 

This is way off. 2024 with league average QB play and we are picking top 5

 

You can point out individual failed plays by the Lions offense. I'll disagree that that the injuries they had didn't seriously compromise their chances of making it further than they did this year. 

 

TBH, it's not clear to me which statement I made you disagree with. Unless you think injuries play no part whatsoever in a teams ability to win a SB - which imo is a different statement than every team that wins a SB has to overcome injuries.

Posted
7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

It’s a Beane and the draft issue.  
 

I’m also a beginning to wonder about the Babbich hire. 
 

This is going to be year 3 for him.  How good a DC is he and really - is he truly the DC?  
 

 

I don’t expect McD to not be heavily involved with defense, scheme, game planning, and play calling. 
 

McD needs to get it where Belichick had the right guys for his defense in New England.  Their defense during almost the entirety of Brady’s career was always elite.  
 

If McD can’t get it there by 2027 (he’s opening the new stadium - he’s not getting fired any time soon) then we can evaluate firing him.
 

He’s got 2 more seasons to fix this defense.    

 

2 more seasons....?

 

So if we lose again in the playoffs and the defense is terrible again, we're just going to keep hoping it changes. Especially if they upgraded the talent and it's now the same issues??

 

Allen will then be 31. 

 

Everyone should be pissed off watching what the eagles did. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

This year? No.
 

This is way off. 2024 with league average QB play and we are picking top 5

 

While I agree the 2024 roster was weaker... we also won 6 games against teams who scored 14 or fewer. I think we'd have won 9 or 10 games and it would have been plenty good enough against a weak division. 

4 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Its great that McD started Benford, because Elam was a bust, he had to start him(And I havent been disappointed, great pick by Beane).   What Im trying to convey is just how much KC transformed their D.   It wasnt just McDuffie vs Elam.   It was about drafting talent and giving them opportunities.   The roots of that consistency – at least for the defensive players – rests with Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who trusted six rookies – Karlaftis, McDuffie, Chenal, Williams, Watson and Cook – to combine for 3,057 defensive snaps in 2022.   Bolton, who stuffed Josh was another great piece drafted a year earlier.  

 

Yea the difference is they nailed those picks. They played them because they were good. They were not good because they played.

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This is the money quote form the analysis:

 

"But at the end of the day, given these statistics and this analysis, it’s hard to look at the Bills and think they can “get over the hump” in the playoffs if only Allen would play better."

 

 

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Its great that McD started Benford, because Elam was a bust, he had to start him(And I havent been disappointed, great pick by Beane).   What Im trying to convey is just how much KC transformed their D.   It wasnt just McDuffie vs Elam.   It was about drafting talent and giving them opportunities.   The roots of that consistency – at least for the defensive players – rests with Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who trusted six rookies – Karlaftis, McDuffie, Chenal, Williams, Watson and Cook – to combine for 3,057 defensive snaps in 2022.   Bolton, who stuffed Josh was another great piece drafted a year earlier.  

 

So how many chances are McDermott and Beane going to get with a first ballot hof qb? 

 

Even in the Denver game, they couldn't get pressure. I tried to dismiss it but it's frickin ridiculous at this point 

 

It has been a groundhog day clown car on defense in the playoffs for multiple years. Yet the bucs, rams, eagles and Bengals all figured it out in 1-2 yrs??? Kc rebuild in one year?

 

 

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29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Tua on this team the Bills still win the AFCE unless you are putting Josh on the Dolphins in return.

 

Games we lose with Tua at QB:

 

Cardinals

Away Jets

Home Dolphins

Chiefs

Lions

 

I think good chance we lose the Colts game too, but we probably would win the away Pats game if we needed it so I'll call that a wash. At a minimum that's 5 extra losses putting us at 8-9 and Miami at 9-8 because of their extra win over us. So no I think we definitely miss the playoffs with Tua this year.

 

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2 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

The injury excuse is getting old and stale........every team has injuries come playoff time, but it only seems to be a Bills problem.

 

Like, come on......

 

Exactly.  Other teams utilize coaching creativity to overcome.  We don't.  Our defensive scheme/coaching and to an extent roster, is suspect.  I'll remain on team "fire McDermott" until I see some kind of proof of what he brings to the table.  Right now to me it looks like his success is 100% due to Josh and being able to run a good regular season defense.  He's supposed to be a D guru and his D gets smoked every single year in the playoffs.  I don't think he has what it takes to beat the best coaches.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, 90sBills said:


What I rather imagine is for one of the most efficient offenses in the league with an elite qb to close out a playoff game when the opportunity presents itself. I know. It’s too much to ask so let’s keep blaming the defense. 

"But at the end of the day, given these statistics and this analysis, it’s hard to look at the Bills and think they can “get over the hump” in the playoffs if only Allen would play better."

 

 

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3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This is the money quote form the analysis:

 

"But at the end of the day, given these statistics and this analysis, it’s hard to look at the Bills and think they can “get over the hump” in the playoffs if only Allen would play better."

 

 

 

It's not possible to play better at QB than what Allen has done in the playoffs looking at history. 

 

We should already have 2 championships 

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4 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

You can point out individual failed plays by the Lions offense. I'll disagree that that the injuries they had didn't seriously compromise their chances of making it further than they did this year. 

The comp is that if Goff had 4 turnovers every year vs the Commanders and lost 4 times in a row, I wouldn’t blame injuries for the loss. They could have different injuries every year and I still wouldn’t blame them.

 

McD’s defense playing some of the worst ball of the year every year vs KC is the comp to Goff throwing 4 picks. Every year, we are going to have at least 1 starter dinged up in the postseason, anywhere. That doesn’t mean we need to be historically awful. A lot of teams aren’t. The Bills are.

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Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Ganes we lose with Tua at QB:

 

Cardinals

Away Jets

Home Dolphins

Chiefs

Lions

 

I think good chance we lose the Colts game too, but we probably would win the away Pats game if we needed it so I'll call that a wash. At a minimum that's 5 extra losses putting us at 8-9 and Miami at 9-8 because of their extra win over us. So no I think we definitely miss the playoffs with Tua this year.

 

I disagree that we lose the Colts game. I will give you 8 wins. It would have been in that range. 8 or 9. Tua is still a decent QB and he would actually fit quite well in the offense we ran in 2024. 

 

Obviously he isn't Josh Allen. Nobody is. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

While I agree the 2024 roster was weaker... we also won 6 games against teams who scored 14 or fewer. I think we'd have won 9 or 10 games and it would have been plenty good enough against a weak division

I know it’s just a silly discussion, but the Bills offense did a lot of dirty work to hide the defensive struggles this year.

 

I don’t think we are holding as many teams to 14 without Josh carrying the load.

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4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

It's not possible to play better at QB than what Allen has done in the playoffs looking at history. 

Correct.  GunnerBill had a great insight when he called out that the Bills lack the kind of play makers that can rise to the occasion at critical moments in a game.  You saw this perfectly the last two playoff losses with:

 

*  Diggs dropping a huge 4th quarter pass and then Bass missing a 44 yard FG

 

*  Kincaid dropping the 4th down pass and the coaching decision to not have Cook on the field for that last drive.

 

 

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Posted
Just now, FireChans said:

I know it’s just a silly discussion, but the Bills offense did a lot of dirty work to hide the defensive struggles this year.

 

I don’t think we are holding as many teams to 14 without Josh carrying the load.

Absolutely.  Not only did we have an efficient, high-scoring offense, but for the first time in a long time we ran a lot and controlled TOP.  That helped hide a lot of defensive deficiencies.  

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1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I know it’s just a silly discussion, but the Bills offense did a lot of dirty work to hide the defensive struggles this year.

 

I don’t think we are holding as many teams to 14 without Josh carrying the load.

 

Meh. We just played some bad teams.

 

I don't dispute how important Josh is to this team. Take him away and we have zero elite players. But I don't think we are top 5 pick team with someone like Tua. Now give us Will Levis.... we might be picking 1st overall.

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