To the people clamoring for Tee Higgins or other big name WRs

[SoonerBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think Coleman HAD a role. His play after the injury and the fact they seemed publicly disappointed with his performance (mention it specifically at the year end PC) may have played himself out of one for next year. 

 

If he has a definitive role next year it is going to have to be earned in TC IMO.

I would like DK. Unfortunately, as much as we would like it to happen, he's not really on the trade block. 

 

In fact when they asked HC MacDonald about the process for hiring an OC this year he said that a focal point of each interview was what their plan is for DK moving forward. He also said they will "work through" if Tyler Lockett will be back. 

 

Now, I get the "lying season, never say never, it could still happen" theory that comes this time of year, but to me it sounds more like Metcalf is staying and they will roll with him and JSN this year. Guy is a physical freak, though and I still can't believe the Bills didn't nab him in the draft.

Great post and I agree, Coleman needs to earn his way back.

[FireChans]

35 minutes ago, JoshAllin said:

Henry rushed for 200 yards week 4 and he looked pretty effective during the playoffs, exposing the crap run D, they tried to let Lamar win it for them instead. Chiefs was more on Mahomes running all over them and the game crushing 10 yrd TD run. The Eagles interior didn't give him a chance to do any of that which was triggering when watching

They shut Henry down in the first half and Lamar puked all over the field like he always does. Henry ended up with his 6th lowest yardage total on the year.

 

We are really worrying about the Ravens still because of WEEK FOUR?

 

Playing QB contain is not the same as rush defense fwiw

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I agree with all of this.  Unfortunately my answer would be less about speed and more about being a technician.  Diggs wasn't a burner but he was a technician.  We could use that again.  Size and contested catches seems to be the in lieu of type answer.  Cooper seemed like he should have been that answer.  Maybe we resign him and he gets it done.  It would be nice to have a WR who stacks a DB and walks away from him in a way that scares defenses.  Also it would be nice to have a player with that kind of speed who actually plays and isn't just sitting on the bench week in and week out.

I generally agree. Separation is just as important for this group as pure speed. Part of the struggle with Coleman was that he was always covered. That’s how you catch 50% of the balls thrown your way. He has good ball skills but without space you can only do so much. The Bills need more separation and speed.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

It is not going to happen. The biggest complaint has been the lack of speed at the position and yet a huge percentage of this forum want to sign a dude who ran a 4.59 at the combine? This is the guy who is going to break open the safeties down field ? Tee Higgins is a good player, but benefits greatly from his QB and the WR who plays on the other side of him. He is nothing more than a Gabe Davis clone with better hands.

 

My opinion on the WR Beane would actually go for? The more I think about it, I would actually put money down on this happening. Brandin Cooks seems like the type of vet WR the Bills would take in the mold of Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown, Mack Hollins. Cook’s production has dipped the past couple years because of an injury and the horrid situation in Dallas, but this is good as Beane will get a nice discount. He’s 31, but still has wheels, he’s a savvy vet who’s produced on every team he’s been. I think he’ll enjoy a nice career renaissance w/ an elite QB like Josh. It’s not necessarily the signing I want, but it’s the one that seems the most logical based on Beane’s track record.

 

I feel like people have written off Amari Cooper and Keon Coleman wayyy too soon. One was dealing with an injury on a brand new team. The other was a damn rookie who still put up 556 & 4 TDs on a run heavy team. Both showed nice flashes, they just need to learn the system and gel with Josh more. People are entitled to their opinion about Coleman ever panning out, but I don’t think Cooper just all of the sudden forgot how to play ball. 
 

The last point I want to make for the people who want to throw big money at the position. You DO realize the Bills averaged over 30 points a game and got an MVP season out of Josh Allen with the current stable of WRs, right? You DO realize the Chiefs dropped 32 points on us in the AFCC and 27 the year before in the divisional, right? So what does that tell you as far as what the REAL problem is? It’s the defense. If the Bills are going to drop serious money & resources into a position this year, it damn well better be on the other side of the ball. Or else it’s going to be the same story year after year after year. 

 

You should put all your money on Cooks---he is exactly the kind of over the hill burnt out journeyman (the most traded player in NFL history!) WR Beane absolutely LOVES to sign!  Think Emmanuel Sanders or Jameson Crowder or Brown 2.0.  Bills already had those this year with Cooper and  Samuel.   Higgins would be the best WR on the roster immediately.  "Horrid situation in Dallas" hasn't prevented Lamb from amassing 3000 yards (and ALL of the Defensive attention) in the time Cook was there.  Cook is falling apart. 

 

It's hard to claim people are giving up "too soon" on another over 30 journeyman like Cooper.  "Brand new team"?  New to the Browns in 2022, he had over 1100.   Total chaos at QB in 2023..yet he still caught for 1250.  So you're saying that Cooper shouldn't struggle on a new team that saw Watson/Flacco/PJ Walker/Thompson-Robinson/Driskel throwing him the ball...but it would be natural for him to struggle with the NFL MVP throwing him the ball?  He was a dud this year. Why sign another guy like this?  

 

Agreed the Defense is the weakest unit on this team. 

 

 

 

[BillMafia716ix]

I’m not writing off Coleman but for a guy who had trouble separating in college..I don’t see how he gets better against NFL corners. He’s not an outside WR. He has to play inside
 

I’ve seen enough of Amari. I want them to draft a young guy with speed in that spot. 

Edited 9 hours ago by BillMafia716ix

[Nephilim17]

7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

My opinion on the WR Beane would actually go for? The more I think about it, I would actually put money down on this happening. Brandin Cooks seems like the type of vet WR the Bills would take in the mold of Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown, Mack Hollins. Cook’s production has dipped the past couple years because of an injury and the horrid situation in Dallas, but this is good as Beane will get a nice discount. He’s 31, but still has wheels, he’s a savvy vet who’s produced on every team he’s been.

Agree in general with your thoughts but Slayton just turned 28 and averaged 14.7 yards per catch in 2024 vs Cooks who turns 32 in September and averaged just 10.0 YPC in 2024. He'd be my FA pick over Cooks. 
 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

10 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Nothing more than gabe Davis with better hands. So he’s better than gabe Davis with great hands? I don’t think that means what you think it means. 
we need another weapon for josh. Josh loves throwing downfield so Kincaid really ain’t it. 

I haven’t really seen Josh throw downfield in a very long time. Could be his receivers, but I’m not so sure. 

5 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Agree in general with your thoughts but Slayton just turned 28 and averaged 14.7 yards per catch in 2024 vs Cooks who turns 32 in September and averaged just 10.0 YPC in 2024. He'd be my FA pick over Cooks. 
 

Slayton is going to be significantly more expensive. Cooks seems like a good bargain basement deal that could give Buffalo a year or 2 of good production. I definitely want to revisit this thread to see if either of us were right

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You should put all your money on Cooks---he is exactly the kind of over the hill burnt out journeyman (the most traded player in NFL history!) WR Beane absolutely LOVES to sign!  Think Emmanuel Sanders or Jameson Crowder or Brown 2.0.  Bills already had those this year with Cooper and  Samuel.   Higgins would be the best WR on the roster immediately.  "Horrid situation in Dallas" hasn't prevented Lamb from amassing 3000 yards (and ALL of the Defensive attention) in the time Cook was there.  Cook is falling apart. 

 

It's hard to claim people are giving up "too soon" on another over 30 journeyman like Cooper.  "Brand new team"?  New to the Browns in 2022, he had over 1100.   Total chaos at QB in 2023..yet he still caught for 1250.  So you're saying that Cooper shouldn't struggle on a new team that saw Watson/Flacco/PJ Walker/Thompson-Robinson/Driskel throwing him the ball...but it would be natural for him to struggle with the NFL MVP throwing him the ball?  He was a dud this year. Why sign another guy like this?  

 

Agreed the Defense is the weakest unit on this team. 

 

 

 

I didn’t say it was a pick up I necessarily wanted, it was one I see Beane making with limited cap space. And Cooper was injured. Nobody really knows the extent, but him. There’s a difference between being a mid-season acquisition and having an entire offseason to get acquainted with a team.

10 hours ago, kitchen sink said:

My guesstimate is that due to the growing use of analytics, the value of speed wide receivers might continue to decline (it might also be a reason for increased interest in high contested catch rate receivers).

 

The reason for this is when you look at the analytics, it is much better to force a team to make as many first downs as possible to score. 

 

As such, teams might play more and more two high shell and other over the top defensive alignments. 

 

The data I have seen shows that the probability of getting a first down from 1st and 10 is 66%. 

 

Based on this, every additional first down required to score reduces the probability of the next first down by 33%, as shown in the table below.

 

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This is also the math behind what makes chunk plays (20 plus yards), which reduce the number of first downs required to score, so big.

 

Neat info. 

[RyanC883]

get 2 for the price of one Tee Higgins. Slayton and K. Allen.  Both can get open. One is fast (Slayton) the other big and slow. 

 

Then draft Harris from Old Miss, perhaps best separator in draft.     

Edited 31 minutes ago by RyanC883