To the people clamoring for Tee Higgins or other big name WRs

[SoonerBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think Coleman HAD a role. His play after the injury and the fact they seemed publicly disappointed with his performance (mention it specifically at the year end PC) may have played himself out of one for next year. 

 

If he has a definitive role next year it is going to have to be earned in TC IMO.

I would like DK. Unfortunately, as much as we would like it to happen, he's not really on the trade block. 

 

In fact when they asked HC MacDonald about the process for hiring an OC this year he said that a focal point of each interview was what their plan is for DK moving forward. He also said they will "work through" if Tyler Lockett will be back. 

 

Now, I get the "lying season, never say never, it could still happen" theory that comes this time of year, but to me it sounds more like Metcalf is staying and they will roll with him and JSN this year. Guy is a physical freak, though and I still can't believe the Bills didn't nab him in the draft.

Great post and I agree, Coleman needs to earn his way back.

[FireChans]

35 minutes ago, JoshAllin said:

Henry rushed for 200 yards week 4 and he looked pretty effective during the playoffs, exposing the crap run D, they tried to let Lamar win it for them instead. Chiefs was more on Mahomes running all over them and the game crushing 10 yrd TD run. The Eagles interior didn't give him a chance to do any of that which was triggering when watching

They shut Henry down in the first half and Lamar puked all over the field like he always does. Henry ended up with his 6th lowest yardage total on the year.

 

We are really worrying about the Ravens still because of WEEK FOUR?

 

Playing QB contain is not the same as rush defense fwiw

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I agree with all of this.  Unfortunately my answer would be less about speed and more about being a technician.  Diggs wasn't a burner but he was a technician.  We could use that again.  Size and contested catches seems to be the in lieu of type answer.  Cooper seemed like he should have been that answer.  Maybe we resign him and he gets it done.  It would be nice to have a WR who stacks a DB and walks away from him in a way that scares defenses.  Also it would be nice to have a player with that kind of speed who actually plays and isn't just sitting on the bench week in and week out.

I generally agree. Separation is just as important for this group as pure speed. Part of the struggle with Coleman was that he was always covered. That’s how you catch 50% of the balls thrown your way. He has good ball skills but without space you can only do so much. The Bills need more separation and speed.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

It is not going to happen. The biggest complaint has been the lack of speed at the position and yet a huge percentage of this forum want to sign a dude who ran a 4.59 at the combine? This is the guy who is going to break open the safeties down field ? Tee Higgins is a good player, but benefits greatly from his QB and the WR who plays on the other side of him. He is nothing more than a Gabe Davis clone with better hands.

 

My opinion on the WR Beane would actually go for? The more I think about it, I would actually put money down on this happening. Brandin Cooks seems like the type of vet WR the Bills would take in the mold of Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown, Mack Hollins. Cook’s production has dipped the past couple years because of an injury and the horrid situation in Dallas, but this is good as Beane will get a nice discount. He’s 31, but still has wheels, he’s a savvy vet who’s produced on every team he’s been. I think he’ll enjoy a nice career renaissance w/ an elite QB like Josh. It’s not necessarily the signing I want, but it’s the one that seems the most logical based on Beane’s track record.

 

I feel like people have written off Amari Cooper and Keon Coleman wayyy too soon. One was dealing with an injury on a brand new team. The other was a damn rookie who still put up 556 & 4 TDs on a run heavy team. Both showed nice flashes, they just need to learn the system and gel with Josh more. People are entitled to their opinion about Coleman ever panning out, but I don’t think Cooper just all of the sudden forgot how to play ball. 
 

The last point I want to make for the people who want to throw big money at the position. You DO realize the Bills averaged over 30 points a game and got an MVP season out of Josh Allen with the current stable of WRs, right? You DO realize the Chiefs dropped 32 points on us in the AFCC and 27 the year before in the divisional, right? So what does that tell you as far as what the REAL problem is? It’s the defense. If the Bills are going to drop serious money & resources into a position this year, it damn well better be on the other side of the ball. Or else it’s going to be the same story year after year after year. 

 

You should put all your money on Cooks---he is exactly the kind of over the hill burnt out journeyman (the most traded player in NFL history!) WR Beane absolutely LOVES to sign!  Think Emmanuel Sanders or Jameson Crowder or Brown 2.0.  Bills already had those this year with Cooper and  Samuel.   Higgins would be the best WR on the roster immediately.  "Horrid situation in Dallas" hasn't prevented Lamb from amassing 3000 yards (and ALL of the Defensive attention) in the time Cook was there.  Cook is falling apart. 

 

It's hard to claim people are giving up "too soon" on another over 30 journeyman like Cooper.  "Brand new team"?  New to the Browns in 2022, he had over 1100.   Total chaos at QB in 2023..yet he still caught for 1250.  So you're saying that Cooper shouldn't struggle on a new team that saw Watson/Flacco/PJ Walker/Thompson-Robinson/Driskel throwing him the ball...but it would be natural for him to struggle with the NFL MVP throwing him the ball?  He was a dud this year. Why sign another guy like this?  

 

Agreed the Defense is the weakest unit on this team. 

 

 

 

[BillMafia716ix]

I’m not writing off Coleman but for a guy who had trouble separating in college..I don’t see how he gets better against NFL corners. He’s not an outside WR. He has to play inside
 

I’ve seen enough of Amari. I want them to draft a young guy with speed in that spot. 

Edited yesterday at 07:38 PM by BillMafia716ix

[Nephilim17]

7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

My opinion on the WR Beane would actually go for? The more I think about it, I would actually put money down on this happening. Brandin Cooks seems like the type of vet WR the Bills would take in the mold of Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown, Mack Hollins. Cook’s production has dipped the past couple years because of an injury and the horrid situation in Dallas, but this is good as Beane will get a nice discount. He’s 31, but still has wheels, he’s a savvy vet who’s produced on every team he’s been.

Agree in general with your thoughts but Slayton just turned 28 and averaged 14.7 yards per catch in 2024 vs Cooks who turns 32 in September and averaged just 10.0 YPC in 2024. He'd be my FA pick over Cooks. 
 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

10 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Nothing more than gabe Davis with better hands. So he’s better than gabe Davis with great hands? I don’t think that means what you think it means. 
we need another weapon for josh. Josh loves throwing downfield so Kincaid really ain’t it. 

I haven’t really seen Josh throw downfield in a very long time. Could be his receivers, but I’m not so sure. 

5 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Agree in general with your thoughts but Slayton just turned 28 and averaged 14.7 yards per catch in 2024 vs Cooks who turns 32 in September and averaged just 10.0 YPC in 2024. He'd be my FA pick over Cooks. 
 

Slayton is going to be significantly more expensive. Cooks seems like a good bargain basement deal that could give Buffalo a year or 2 of good production. I definitely want to revisit this thread to see if either of us were right

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You should put all your money on Cooks---he is exactly the kind of over the hill burnt out journeyman (the most traded player in NFL history!) WR Beane absolutely LOVES to sign!  Think Emmanuel Sanders or Jameson Crowder or Brown 2.0.  Bills already had those this year with Cooper and  Samuel.   Higgins would be the best WR on the roster immediately.  "Horrid situation in Dallas" hasn't prevented Lamb from amassing 3000 yards (and ALL of the Defensive attention) in the time Cook was there.  Cook is falling apart. 

 

It's hard to claim people are giving up "too soon" on another over 30 journeyman like Cooper.  "Brand new team"?  New to the Browns in 2022, he had over 1100.   Total chaos at QB in 2023..yet he still caught for 1250.  So you're saying that Cooper shouldn't struggle on a new team that saw Watson/Flacco/PJ Walker/Thompson-Robinson/Driskel throwing him the ball...but it would be natural for him to struggle with the NFL MVP throwing him the ball?  He was a dud this year. Why sign another guy like this?  

 

Agreed the Defense is the weakest unit on this team. 

 

 

 

I didn’t say it was a pick up I necessarily wanted, it was one I see Beane making with limited cap space. And Cooper was injured. Nobody really knows the extent, but him. There’s a difference between being a mid-season acquisition and having an entire offseason to get acquainted with a team.

10 hours ago, kitchen sink said:

My guesstimate is that due to the growing use of analytics, the value of speed wide receivers might continue to decline (it might also be a reason for increased interest in high contested catch rate receivers).

 

The reason for this is when you look at the analytics, it is much better to force a team to make as many first downs as possible to score. 

 

As such, teams might play more and more two high shell and other over the top defensive alignments. 

 

The data I have seen shows that the probability of getting a first down from 1st and 10 is 66%. 

 

Based on this, every additional first down required to score reduces the probability of the next first down by 33%, as shown in the table below.

 

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This is also the math behind what makes chunk plays (20 plus yards), which reduce the number of first downs required to score, so big.

 

Neat info. 

[RyanC883]

get 2 for the price of one Tee Higgins. Slayton and K. Allen.  Both can get open. One is fast (Slayton) the other big and slow. 

 

Then draft Harris from Old Miss, perhaps best separator in draft.     

Edited 16 hours ago by RyanC883

[Richard Noggin]

16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The thing is, that isn’t what happened. I believe that the stat was the saw the 30th most 2 high last year. That was despite having Josh Allen!! Teams weren’t scared, at all, to challenge the Bills to throw the ball down the field.

 

The part that some are missing is that it isn’t just about completing chunk plays. That’s a part of it but it’s about opening up the field. The Bills tried to throw the ball down the field (10th most attempts). They didn’t do it well (26th in efficiency).  The ability to throw the ball down the field is what opens up the space for guys like Shakir and Beasley.
 

When Beasley was in Buffalo those first couple of years he averaged a yard more per reception than Shakir did this year. I think that we’d all agree that Shakir is better after the catch than Beasley. 70% of Shakir’s yards came after the catch. I couldn’t find Beasley’s YAC info but I think we would all agree that it isn’t the same 70% as Shakir (or even close to that). Beasley was strictly a possession receiver. So how could he have averaged more yards per reception than Shakir? The easy answer is that he was able to get more depth on his routes because the underneath wasn’t all jammed up. Teams were worried about Brown over the top. Take a step further, how many more yards after catch would Shakir have if he caught the ball in less crowded areas?!?

 

When Beasley was an integral component of the Bills offense, the pendulum was swinging hard in the direction of passing. There was TIME and SPACE on the field. QBs both very young and very old were producing at historic levels. 

 

4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I haven’t really seen Josh throw downfield in a very long time. Could be his receivers, but I’m not so sure. 

Slayton is going to be significantly more expensive. Cooks seems like a good bargain basement deal that could give Buffalo a year or 2 of good production. I definitely want to revisit this thread to see if either of us were right

 

Josh Allen, along with Patrick Mahomes, are talented enough that they need to still embrace their youthful arm arrogance maybe a LITTLE more often than they have been recently. Allen to freaking Robert Foster was a legitimately dangerous deep connection down the stretch in 2018. Come on. Get the man a guy with elite speed and a knack for getting behind DBs. (Worthy fit that description tbh lol.)

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

When Beasley was an integral component of the Bills offense, the pendulum was swinging hard in the direction of passing. There was TIME and SPACE on the field. QBs both very young and very old were producing at historic levels. 

 

 

Josh Allen, along with Patrick Mahomes, are talented enough that they need to still embrace their youthful arm arrogance maybe a LITTLE more often than they have been recently. Allen to freaking Robert Foster was a legitimately dangerous deep connection down the stretch in 2018. Come on. Get the man a guy with elite speed and a knack for getting behind DBs. (Worthy fit that description tbh lol.)

 

 

Imagine Allen with someone like Tyreek Hill. The non-scumbag version. Like I said in my original post, 2 out of the top 3 picks needs to go towards defense. Possibly even packaging a 2nd & 4th to climb up the first round to nab a blue chip player if one happens to fall. But I hope they grab a sub-4.3 player with the remaining 4th rounder. There are a few guys available who most definitely could be around the time the Bills pick.
 

Isaiah Bond from Texas would be a nice choice, but I think he will go in the early 3rd. He’s got world class speed and a versatile route tree. Out of all the “fast” WRs, Bond has the biggest chance of becoming a #1 or high end #2. If Buffalo doesn’t move up in the early rounds then I hope Beane can wheel & deal himself into the 3rd round to nab him. Most likely wishful thinking.  

 

My ideal scenario would be Beane staying put and grabbing Arian Smith out of Georgia. He’s had issues with drops which I know fans will not be too happy about, but will be the main reason he falls along w/ injury history. I think he offers just as much as Isaiah Bond and is a better “value” pick, IMO. He just needs to work on his concentration and bulk up a bit. I would use him as a gadget player in the mold of Isaiah McKenzie and obviously a deep threat/decoy while he continues to refine his skills.

 

Beane needs to nail the draft (and the off-season as a whole) or heads will start to roll. There is not enough top-end talent YET, although there are young players w/ loads of potential. I do think people are giving up way too soon on the 2024 class. Every logical fan knew Keon Coleman would take 2-3 years to develop. I feel like he is moving along nicely. He’s displayed flashes of all the tools & strengths experts said he had pre-draft and put up a very respectable stat line.
 

The other totally forgotten player on the other side is DeWayne Carter. With the amount of talk on this forum about him, I almost forgot he was even on the roster. His situation reminds me so much of Bernard. If you were around this forum going into his 2nd year, he was talked about as a completely wasted pick or not even mentioned period. People were panicking big time about how to replace Edmunds and the answer was right under their noses. I guess my point is that fans needs to give younger players more time. 
 

 

[HOUSE]

Are you people clamoring again?

Disqusting habit...

[djp14150]

On 2/22/2025 at 6:55 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

Here's the thing. The FANS want a speed WR that can take the top off the defense. I'm not so sure Beane and the Bills place the same value on  speed that many assume they do.

 

Now I know, a few years back at the End of season PC, Beane famously said something along the lines of "I'd love to have a guy with Tyreek speed. If you know where these players are...show me." Since then they have had plenty of chances to add speed and declined. Most famously just last year when the opportunity to snag the fastest player in combine history was staring them in the face when they were on the clock...and decided to pass on the opportunity to acquire him and instead swooped up a guy whose 40 is measured by sundial at the top of round 2.

 

They bring usually one "fast" WR in every off-season. MVS last year (doubled down with the Claypool dart throw), Hardy the previous year. At low contracts and then really don't use them deep. Heck even when we had MVS on the roster and on the field, we would see Coleman or Hollins on the deep route more than MVS. Sure they take a swing at a guy...but low value/investment in that role.

 

He's drafted Kincaid and Coleman in back to back years at the top of his draft...hardly blazers. Brought in guys like Sherfield and Hollins. Heck even going back to his Carolina roots and moved a pick for Kelvin Benjamin. Beane typically is going to invest in the larger/slower at the position rather than smaller/faster. His actions have proven that.

 

Not only that but a speed WR, a pure speed guy, goes to waste in this offense for 3 reasons. First off, teams tend to play the shell defense against us a lot. Eliminates the deep ball. Second, we play a good amount of games in cold/Poor weather....which negates speed. And third...you can have Usain Bolt out there breezing past defenses all day long running 10 yards free....and Josh has difficulty hitting a deep ball... especially in stride. 

 

A WR in the Bills offense needs to be able to catch in traffic, separate with the ball in his hands and pick up YAC. That's why a guy like Shakir or someone like Cole Beasley can thrive here. 

 

Remember Tyreek was a 5th round pick iirc. What does that say….he has speed but there were questions elsewhere in his game.

 

 

 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Remember Tyreek was a 5th round pick iirc. What does that say….he has speed but there were questions elsewhere in his game.

 

 

 

Tyreek fell to the 5th because he was convicted of throwing his pregnant girlfriend around "like a rag doll" and punching her in her belly. That's why he was kicked off Oklahoma State and was drafted out of West Alabama. The issue was never in his game. 

[Jrb1979]

5 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Tyreek fell to the 5th because he was convicted of throwing his pregnant girlfriend around "like a rag doll" and punching her in her belly. That's why he was kicked off Oklahoma State and was drafted out of West Alabama. The issue was never in his game. 

That's the kind of player I've talked about in drafting. Yes he had off field issues and it's not a great look at all, I'm drafting the guy cause of his talent.  

 

That's my biggest issue with this regime, they would never draft a guy like Hill due to his off field issues. 

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

That's the kind of player I've talked about in drafting. Yes he had off field issues and it's not a great look at all, I'm drafting the guy cause of his talent.  

 

That's my biggest issue with this regime, they would never draft a guy like Hill due to his off field issues. 

 

It's a sticky situation for all involved.

I'm sure you would feel different if it was your daughter getting abused.

I leave these decisions to the owners and management.

[BuffaloBillyG]

24 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Remember Tyreek was a 5th round pick iirc. What does that say….he has speed but there were questions elsewhere in his game.

 

 

 

Not so much his game rather than his behavior. Which seeing how he's acted off the field was very warranted. 

 

This is exactly the type of player that Beane would take off the draft board completely and never consider no matter the round he slipped to. 

[Steptide]

We need a true number 1. I'm not about getting Higgins, his price is too much Imo, but I am all about trading for someone, and this is on top of getting myles garret. I put very very little stock in the draft and we're picking at 30, so I feel it's unlikely we get a contributing stud at 30 (possible but unlikely). I'm all about trading for difference makers this year. We obviously will still have some draft picks, and if beane is good at anything, it's finding gems in the mid to later rounds. I'm gonna say it, and say it until I see it, but it's time to go all in and make some moves

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Not so much his game rather than his behavior. Which seeing how he's acted off the field was very warranted. 

 

This is exactly the type of player that Beane would take off the draft board completely and never consider no matter the round he slipped to. 

IMO is exactly why they can't get over the hump and win a Super Bowl. They would rather take a guy who is a project, has a high ceiling but  is very blue collar and comes to work everyday. 

 

Those guys will keep your team competitive most seasons but they rarely have the play making abilities that the Super Bowl winners have. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

20 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

IMO is exactly why they can't get over the hump and win a Super Bowl. They would rather take a guy who is a project, has a high ceiling but  is very blue collar and comes to work everyday. 

 

Those guys will keep your team competitive most seasons but they rarely have the play making abilities that the Super Bowl winners have. 

I agree with your premise, however choosing Hill as the example is....weird. 

 

Reason being since trading Hill the Chiefs have made 3 straight Super Bowls, winning two while the Dolphins have two one and done post seasons and didn't even make it this year.