The Switch between College to NFL gameplay

[ryguy101]

Why is the switch between college to NFL Gameplay so hard? We have seen a lot of athletes who perform so well and do amazing things in college but then falter to the floor when in the NFL. for example, Tavon Austin and Johnny Manziel. 

 

1. you can get in college by being a superior athlete. However, mostly all players in the NFL are superior athletes. however in the NFL the mental side needs to be successful

 

Interesting take: there are 134 FBS schools each around 85 scholarship players. that equals around 11,390 players. about 25% end their college career each year so roughly 2850 players. But there are only 224 sports in the draft. So a fraction of college players are even good enough to be drafted while much less actually see playing time.

 

~~The average college team has maybe one NFL caliber starter on their team. maybe the SEC and a few select programs have around 5. and as I said earlier an NFL roster is an NFL caliber players, for the most part.

 

2. playbooks are bigger and more complicated, coaches expect more from year, there's more workouts and are more intense

 

3. all the guys are playing against each other are pros. the blocking schemes and play design get a lot more complicated and leave less room for error. 

 

ANY INPUT?

[Cson76]

The mental side and work ethic are huge pieces of this.   Playbooks are one thing, but studying film, knowing the reads and doing the work away from practice.    

 

The personal part of it to, sometimes these kids have a lot of hanger ons that are in their ear telling them what to do.   Or they are out partying and not focused on football.  Dion Jordan was just in the news on this piece.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/dion-jordan-accepts-full-responsibility-for-his-wasted-playing-career

 

It will be interesting how NIL and these guys having money before they get to the league if it makes it any better

[OldTimer1960]

59 minutes ago, ryguy101 said:

Why is the switch between college to NFL Gameplay so hard? We have seen a lot of athletes who perform so well and do amazing things in college but then falter to the floor when in the NFL. for example, Tavon Austin and Johnny Manziel. 

 

1. you can get in college by being a superior athlete. However, mostly all players in the NFL are superior athletes. however in the NFL the mental side needs to be successful

 

Interesting take: there are 134 FBS schools each around 85 scholarship players. that equals around 11,390 players. about 25% end their college career each year so roughly 2850 players. But there are only 224 sports in the draft. So a fraction of college players are even good enough to be drafted while much less actually see playing time.

 

~~The average college team has maybe one NFL caliber starter on their team. maybe the SEC and a few select programs have around 5. and as I said earlier an NFL roster is an NFL caliber players, for the most part.

 

2. playbooks are bigger and more complicated, coaches expect more from year, there's more workouts and are more intense

 

3. all the guys are playing against each other are pros. the blocking schemes and play design get a lot more complicated and leave less room for error. 

 

ANY INPUT?

Add in that as college players become upperclassmen there can be 22-23 year olds playing vs 18-19 year olds.  In the NFL, everyone is a grown man.

 

Also, as you said most of the opposing players aren’t NFL-caliber and, if your on a strong team the weaker opponents may have you and several teammates that are NFL-ready spreading the opponents attention.

Edited 14 hours ago by OldTimer1960

[HOUSE]

You are talking about 21 year old kids here

Most can not change a tire

[MJS]

Bigger. Faster. Stronger. More complex offensive and defensive schemes.

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

You are talking about 21 year old kids here

Most can not change a tire

They really should add changing a tire and programming a VCR to the combine.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

You are talking about 21 year old kids here

Most can not change a tire

 

We should have some kind of decathlon at the Combine. Make them change a tire, make a call on a rotary phone, fold a map and stuff like that! 

 

I think that would be more fun than the Pro Bowl crap! 😊

18 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

They really should add changing a tire and programming a VCR to the combine.  

 

Damn, you beat me to it!

[NI Bills Fan]

46 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

We should have some kind of decathlon at the Combine. Make them change a tire, make a call on a rotary phone, fold a map and stuff like that! 

 

I think that would be more fun than the Pro Bowl crap! 😊

 

Damn, you beat me to it!

Now it makes sense... Keon was carrying a VCR and a tire on his 40 yard dash. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

They really should add changing a tire and programming a VCR to the combine.  

 A spelling bee would be interesting

[That's No Moon]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

 A spelling bee would be interesting

It would be brief.

[djp14150]

4 hours ago, ryguy101 said:

Why is the switch between college to NFL Gameplay so hard? We have seen a lot of athletes who perform so well and do amazing things in college but then falter to the floor when in the NFL. for example, Tavon Austin and Johnny Manziel. 

 

1. you can get in college by being a superior athlete. However, mostly all players in the NFL are superior athletes. however in the NFL the mental side needs to be successful

 

Interesting take: there are 134 FBS schools each around 85 scholarship players. that equals around 11,390 players. about 25% end their college career each year so roughly 2850 players. But there are only 224 sports in the draft. So a fraction of college players are even good enough to be drafted while much less actually see playing time.

 

~~The average college team has maybe one NFL caliber starter on their team. maybe the SEC and a few select programs have around 5. and as I said earlier an NFL roster is an NFL caliber players, for the most part.

 

2. playbooks are bigger and more complicated, coaches expect more from year, there's more workouts and are more intense

 

3. all the guys are playing against each other are pros. the blocking schemes and play design get a lot more complicated and leave less room for error. 

 

ANY INPUT?

With QBs it’s height, throwing in tight windows with enough speed , and system fit toward their strengths.

 

WR… route running , going against better CBs. Can’t catch/ jump hard balls

 

remember the football is different.

 

on defense it’s all about system fit beyong the size/ speed issues 

 

you see this in other sports where players seemed to excel at lower levels but they aren’t better at the pros.  In hockey/baseball you see this with AHL/ AAA league play.  The veterans on these clubs still make upper middle class wages or more. It’s hard to explain because you see them do well at this level but it does not translate.  Sometimes it can be situational due to depth. In hockey a player may be more of a scoring top 5 forwzrd but if the team is set they don’t have a chance.  
 

Now with costs where only the stars get the money you tend to get players in baseball/ hockey where they are cheaper under team control but they areNt good enough for that big contract and the team could replace them with new youth.  In football this translated to 3rd/4th yr vets walking and going to other teams 

 

[billsfan89]

In the NFL you are playing a college "All Star" team who have been training and playing professionally against the highest level of competition for years. Whereas in College you are playing 19-23 year old players most of whom as good as they are will not sniff an NFL roster. So even if you are an elite All American high end college player you just might not be able to have success at a pro level for various reasons. 

[Buffalo716]

8 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

In the NFL you are playing a college "All Star" team who have been training and playing professionally against the highest level of competition for years. Whereas in College you are playing 19-23 year old players most of whom as good as they are will not sniff an NFL roster. So even if you are an elite All American high end college player you just might not be able to have success at a pro level for various reasons. 

Without having to justify or talk about x + y = z... That's the best explanation you could have 

 

There's a difference between the best grown men in the world with professional training.. versus the best 18 to 23-year-olds with training 

 

It's a different level with a different physicality