I thought this was interesting…Bills 8th best (in AFC) winning percentage last 50 years.

[HardyBoy]

11 hours ago, Chaos said:

You have cause and effect completely reversed. 

 

Feel like we know which mathematical theory you subscribe to:

 

Chaos theory (or chaology[1]) is an interdisciplinary area of scientific study and branch of mathematics. It focuses on underlying patterns and deterministic laws of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. These were once thought to have completely random states of disorder and irregularities.[2] Chaos theory states that within the apparent randomness of chaotic complex systems, there are underlying patterns, interconnection, constant feedback loops, repetition, self-similarity, fractals and self-organization.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

 

[eball]

Cleveland really is a factory of sadness.

 

[GunnerBill]

14th in NFL, 8th in the AFC

[Big Turk]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

And the team with the worst have won 2 Superbowls.

 

EDIT: look how low the Giants are!!!! And they have won 4 Superbowls in that time.

 

Crazy there are so many bad years in between...I'd trade all the success for one let alone two.

[chongli]

10 hours ago, FitzShowUsYourTitz said:

This

OP KINDly put the bong down and correct the title of this thread 🫤

 

Yes, either the OP or a moderator. This title is misleading.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And we won two offseasons running under sexy Rexy!

undefeated

[uticaclub]

15 hours ago, Augie said:

Having a Super Bowl victory 15 years ago would not have made me feel any better if we were a 7 win team last year. 

I strongly disagree. I have a friend who is a Bucs fan, and having just one championship makes a significant difference. In 20 years, no one outside of Buffalo will remember Josh Allen's time with the Bills (unless Beane and McDermott leave), but people will remember that Brad Johnson is a Super Bowl champion.

14 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

The team with the very best winning percentage - the Steelers - have only had 3 coaches during that time.  
 

Meanwhile, the Bills had 16.

 

Continuity matters.  

All 3 of those coaches won Super Bowls.

[Clark Rotary]

How have the Vikings managed to not win a super bowl?

[hondo in seattle]

14 hours ago, Chaos said:

You have cause and effect completely reversed. 

 

I get the point, but I don't think so.

 

Could Chan Gailey have been a good (i.e. winning coach) if he had found a good DC?  Could Dick Jauron have been a good coach if he had found a good OC?  And would they have both been more successful with good GMs?  I don't know but maybe - if we had more patience.  

 

I think NFL organizations, in general, are too quick to pull the trigger on coaches.   This creates chaos.  

 

Chuck Noll went 12-29 his first three years with the Steelers.  Most teams would have fired him by then.  He went on to win 4 Super Bowls.  But his legacy was even bigger than that.  He helped the Steelers build a culture and a way of doing things that has sustained success for decades.  

Rolling out a new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive schemes & philosophies every three years creates chaos.  As Art Rooney II has said, "I don’t like to criticize other people’s way of doing things, but we do feel there’s value in stability and continuity, and so that’s worked for us.”  I guess so: over the past 50 years, they're the winningest organization in football.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

I strongly disagree. I have a friend who is a Bucs fan, and having just one championship makes a significant difference. In 20 years, no one outside of Buffalo will remember Josh Allen's time with the Bills (unless Beane and McDermott leave), but people will remember that Brad Johnson is a Super Bowl champion.

All 3 of those coaches won Super Bowls.

 

As much of a Bills fan as I am, some trophy they won 20 years ago gives me no great joy today. It would be nice, but I guess I live more in the present than that.

 

I enjoyed last season very much….right up until the end. Not winning a trophy does not take away the fun I had this season, or the times spent here and elsewhere with family and friends sharing our Bills thoughts. 

 

But it would be mighty boring if we were all the same, so I respect your opinion. 

 

Oh, and to say nobody will remember Josh is silly. Do they remember Barry Sanders and OJ? Greatness is greatness, and it is not forgotten. 

[uticaclub]

26 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get the point, but I don't think so.

 

Could Chan Gailey have been a good (i.e. winning coach) if he had found a good DC?  Could Dick Jauron have been a good coach if he had found a good OC?  And would they have both been more successful with good GMs?  I don't know but maybe - if we had more patience.  

 

I think NFL organizations, in general, are too quick to pull the trigger on coaches.   This creates chaos.  

 

Chuck Noll went 12-29 his first three years with the Steelers.  Most teams would have fired him by then.  He went on to win 4 Super Bowls.  But his legacy was even bigger than that.  He helped the Steelers build a culture and a way of doing things that has sustained success for decades.  

Rolling out a new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive schemes & philosophies every three years creates chaos.  As Art Rooney II has said, "I don’t like to criticize other people’s way of doing things, but we do feel there’s value in stability and continuity, and so that’s worked for us.”  I guess so: over the past 50 years, they're the winningest organization in football.  

Noll won a Super Bowl in his sixth year, during a time before free agency. However, stability and continuity can only get you so far. & we have seen how far the regime will take us. Some of us are happy dominating the Dolphins, others want to the whole damn thing. There will always be difference of opinions.

[Jrb1979]

25 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

As much of a Bills fan as I am, some trophy they won 20 years ago gives me no great joy today. It would be nice, but I guess I live more in the present than that.

 

I enjoyed last season very much….right up until the end. Not winning a trophy does not take away the fun I had this season, or the times spent here and elsewhere with family and friends sharing our Bills thoughts. 

 

But it would be mighty boring if we were all the same, so I respect your opinion. 

 

Oh, and to say nobody will remember Josh is silly. Do they remember Barry Sanders and OJ? Greatness is greatness, and it is not forgotten. 

After reading that I'm starting to understand why you and others are reluctant to change much in regards to regime and team building. A Super Bowl win would be nice but having a winning team each season is better. 

 

I'm not saying you don't want a Super Bowl win. If you had your choice you would take a playoff team each season over a team that wins a Super Bowl but then goes back to a middle of the pack team. Basically back to the drought era 

[FireChans]

57 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get the point, but I don't think so.

 

Could Chan Gailey have been a good (i.e. winning coach) if he had found a good DC?  Could Dick Jauron have been a good coach if he had found a good OC?  And would they have both been more successful with good GMs?  I don't know but maybe - if we had more patience.  

 

I think NFL organizations, in general, are too quick to pull the trigger on coaches.   This creates chaos.  

 

Chuck Noll went 12-29 his first three years with the Steelers.  Most teams would have fired him by then.  He went on to win 4 Super Bowls.  But his legacy was even bigger than that.  He helped the Steelers build a culture and a way of doing things that has sustained success for decades.  

Rolling out a new coaching staff with new offensive and defensive schemes & philosophies every three years creates chaos.  As Art Rooney II has said, "I don’t like to criticize other people’s way of doing things, but we do feel there’s value in stability and continuity, and so that’s worked for us.”  I guess so: over the past 50 years, they're the winningest organization in football.  

Man, this is so revisionist.

 

Chuck took over a 2-11-1 team.

 

Drafted Joe Greene (DROY/HOF) and Greenwood.

 

They then went 1-13.

 

Drafted Bradshaw (HoF) and Mel Blount (HoF).

 

Then they went 5-9. Drafted another HoF player in Jack Ham.

Then they went 6-8. Finally drafted Franco Harris (HoF).

 

The table was set for most coaches to do very well with that influx. 
 

NFL coaches have this weird mythical power when it comes to talking about their ability. The reality is that there are a lot of solid/good coaches and a lot of bad coaches. And that difference is very narrow.

“Build culture and legacy” by drafting a bunch of HoF players all the time.

 

We see this play out time and again.

 

Bill Belichick was mediocre without his HoF QB. His culture in New England is in shambles because they don’t have enough good players. How could that happen, with the most buttoned up coach with a strong culture in recent NFL history?

 

Oh, it’s because all of that is fairy dust nonsense.

 

Maybe Chan Gailey wins 4 Superbowls if he drafted Tom Brady. Does it make him a great coach or does it mean that coaches aren’t that freaking important?

 

For the truly inept, unprofessional, unserious organizations, sure you’d like a culture setter instead of a buffoon. But that’s about it.

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

After reading that I'm starting to understand why you and others are reluctant to change much in regards to regime and team building. A Super Bowl win would be nice but having a winning team each season is better. 

 

I'm not saying you don't want a Super Bowl win. If you had your choice you would take a playoff team each season over a team that wins a Super Bowl but then goes back to a middle of the pack team. Basically back to the drought era 

 

Maybe this is the simplest way to explain how I feel……I’d rather have a chance at a Super Bowl every year than a distant memory of a Super Bowl. 

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, Clark Rotary said:

How have the Vikings managed to not win a super bowl?

Same as Bills. 0-4 except they spread it out over 8 seasons. 

[SoCal Deek]

I’ve been faithfully watching this team for over FIFTY years and it turns out that winning or losing is essentially a coin flip! Sheeesh. 

[That's No Moon]

23 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

And the team with the worst have won 2 Superbowls.

 

EDIT: look how low the Giants are!!!! And they have won 4 Superbowls in that time.

Well yeah, but the Bills have rarely been bad bad for a long period of time. Even during the drought there were a lot of 6 and 7 win seasons. Very few 2s, 3s and 4s.

[K-9]

An incredible stat considering that for the 25 year period from 1960 thru 1984, the Bills had the worst winning percentage of any team across the four major sports leagues in America. 

[FitzShowUsYourTitz]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

14th in NFL, 8th in the AFC

#Winning

[hondo in seattle]

On 2/20/2025 at 4:12 PM, The 9 Isles said:

1 game above .500 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting.  I hadn't realized that the Bills had finally, finally, finally broken .500.