The Frankish Reich Posted March 17 Posted March 17 19 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: Does the United States govt have the right to say who is allowed in our country? From your profile it looks like your country is the 51st state. But whatever. Yes, but the question is does the President have that right where Congress has legislated who may stay and who must go? Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act - an Act that requires that the US be at war, which we aren't - is exactly the kind of loss of democracy we ought to care about, regardless of which party has the White House. Imagine if Biden had declared a "climate emergency" as many people thought he would. 1 hour ago, Wacka said: What a reputable site. Ads saying mix toothpaste and vaseline together and always wrap your car keys in aluminium foil-here's why. And one at the bottom saying Tyrus steps out with his wife with a picture of him and Kat Timpf. Umm, @Wacka, I hate to tell you this, but the ads you just got are based on your own search history ... don't know what you're doing with that Vaseline blend, but please keep it to yourself. 1
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 31 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: From your profile it looks like your country is the 51st state. But whatever. Yes, but the question is does the President have that right where Congress has legislated who may stay and who must go? Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act - an Act that requires that the US be at war, which we aren't - is exactly the kind of loss of democracy we ought to care about, regardless of which party has the White House. Imagine if Biden had declared a "climate emergency" as many people thought he would. Umm, @Wacka, I hate to tell you this, but the ads you just got are based on your own search history ... don't know what you're doing with that Vaseline blend, but please keep it to yourself. If ppl facilitated an invasion of tens of millions of people, and other nations are using it asymmetrically to poison the American people and undermine it's sovereignty, that is an act( the aliens enemies act), that is justified. The United States is not an economic zone or an area with no sovereign legitimacy But it's a moot point. The executive branch doesn't need a declaration of war to follow immigration laws. Deporting non citizens for a multitude of reasons is justified and well within the Constitution. We don't live in a democracy either lol Congress has no legislation that requires non citizens that are here illegally must stay. The immigration laws are already there Does the United States government have the right to deport non citizens Yes or no? Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
The Frankish Reich Posted March 17 Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: Does the United States government have the right to deport non citizens Yes or no? Yes, and Congress has set forth dozens of reasons that don't require a state of war. Are we at war with Venezuela?
Big Blitz Posted March 17 Author Posted March 17 (edited) 10 hours ago, 4th&long said: Trump’s move to silence pro-democracy media sparks outrage https://flip.it/d.b427 You going to point out these are federally funded (Democrat Party) endorsed “media” entities? I thought this thread would be 500 pages by now lol lol. Edited March 17 by Big Blitz
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yes, and Congress has set forth dozens of reasons that don't require a state of war. Are we at war with Venezuela? Moot point. Does the president have the right to deport non citizens? We don't need to have a declaration of war to follow immigration laws lol You're saying yes Congress has the laws for immigration. So ask yourself why did the" Democrats" not follow those immigration laws. If tens of millions of people are invading and there are ppl creating sanctuary cities, is that an act of treason and insurrection? These same cities don't allow voter ID, in fact they want illegal aliens to vote lol Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) And yes it is a defacto act of war to invade a sovereign nation with ten of millions of people. That's why it's a moot point. 12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yes, and Congress has set forth dozens of reasons that don't require a state of war. Are we at war with Venezuela? It's again a moot point It is a defacto act of war to invade a sovereign Nation with tens of millions of people. But getting into the legalese arguments of the alien enemies act has no point regardless because on either side of the argument the president of the United States has a right to deport non-citizens. Enforcing immigration laws actually supports democratic values even though like I said before we don't live in a pure democracy The bottom line is the president of the United States or the executive branch and its departments don't need a declaration of war to simply enforce immigration law Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 16 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yes, and Congress has set forth dozens of reasons that don't require a state of war. Are we at war with Venezuela? I guess to try to pin you into a corner because I think you're not trying to be honest ...do you just have a problem with the aliens enemies act from a legal standpoint? If that's your issue I guess I kinda understand sorta. Feels like minutia considering the invasion. It's defacto and asymmetrical attack on the United States sovereignty But if I concede your point on the act, do you otherwise support the United States government deporting non citizens and ending sanctuary cities? If so this is just semantics and you agree with me Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
The Frankish Reich Posted March 17 Posted March 17 19 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: But if I concede your point on the act, do you otherwise support the United States government deporting non citizens and ending sanctuary cities? I don't think you've been around our little PPP corner of TBD for long. I have worked in law enforcement, and I absolutely believe that immigration laws are essential and that they should be enforced. I had big issues with the Obama and Biden administrations on this point. But I also believe that it is critical that we follow the laws as they are written. The Alien Enemies Act has never been used against a country that we are not at war with, either a declared war or open armed conflict. There's a good reason for that - that's how the law was written 200+ years ago. We have laws that allow us to arrest and deport illegal aliens, and to keep illegal aliens detained until the process is over if they are not able to show that they are not a danger to the community. So my objection here isn't to vigorous enforcement; it is to an unnecessary/illegal/ultimately dangerous expansion of long settled law. 1
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don't think you've been around our little PPP corner of TBD for long. I have worked in law enforcement, and I absolutely believe that immigration laws are essential and that they should be enforced. I had big issues with the Obama and Biden administrations on this point. But I also believe that it is critical that we follow the laws as they are written. The Alien Enemies Act has never been used against a country that we are not at war with, either a declared war or open armed conflict. There's a good reason for that - that's how the law was written 200+ years ago. We have laws that allow us to arrest and deport illegal aliens, and to keep illegal aliens detained until the process is over if they are not able to show that they are not a danger to the community. So my objection here isn't to vigorous enforcement; it is to an unnecessary/illegal/ultimately dangerous expansion of long settled law. Okay we're on the same wavelength. Id argue that the reason trump is using the act is for legal cover because the left isnt following the law. In fact they're doing the opposite. I understand the broad nature of the law and it's implications. I'm not sure what else we're supposed to do from a legal standpoint if many districts, states and institutions are in open defiance to the sovereignty of the United States I have a family member in le so I respect that line of work and understand that life. Sorry if I came across as to confrontational 😉 Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
4th&long Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said: Does the United States govt have the right to say who is allowed in our country? Is it a sovereign nation? The United States is not an economic zone or shopping mall lol. It's not a stock portfolio that anyone can influence Please get a clue. You can't be serious with this crap. Send us your best and brightest. Trumps words. Then he deports a doctor that has a green card, you know, that the US govt issued. We actually need doctors so we don't have to wait months for an appointment. No Maga dumb asses going to school to be a doctor. *****en idiots. 1
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 4th&long said: Please get a clue. You can't be serious with this crap. Send us your best and brightest. Trumps words. Then he deports a doctor that has a green card, you know, that the US govt issued. We actually need doctors so we don't have to wait months for an appointment. No Maga dumb asses going to school to be a doctor. *****en idiots. so we should welcome the invasion because the West needs doctors? Huh??? Your premise isn't even correct. The United States or any other Western nation don't need doctors lol. These are Western academic institutions lol.... Plenty of smart ppl already here for that. So by definition you're undermining our very own elite intellectual capital. You're also undermining black Americans who's History is well documented and need generations to be woven into the elite institutions both in the private or public world.... Besides the illegal and legal invasion isn't about doctors. Almost all are just layman economic migrants, many of them fighting age males. Again the United States is a sovereign nation. It's not a shopping mall to just hang out in Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
4th&long Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: so we should welcome the invasion because the West needs doctors? Huh??? Your premise isn't even correct. The United States or any other Western nations don't need doctors lol. Plenty of smart ppl already here for that. So by definition you're undermining are very own elite intellectual capital Besides the illegal and legal invasion isn't about doctors. Almost all are just layman economic migrants, many of them fighting age males. Again the United States is a sovereign nation. It's not a shopping mall to just hang out in Someone coming here to study at a university legally is not an invasion or part of the said invasion. I never argued in favor of migrants coming over the border illegally. Who is we? You are in Canada. If you don't think there is a need for more doctors you beget educate yourself on the subject. The rest of your drivel is not worth reading. Edited March 17 by 4th&long
4th&long Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: You going to point out these are federally funded (Democrat Party) endorsed “medi” entities? I thought this thread would be 500 pages by now lol lol. So slowly chipping away at democracy is OK with you? Don't need 500 pages to discuss that yet. Putin Jr. Is starting slow but he is working out of the dictator playbook. Starting with the media and education. He doesn't want someone reporting on what he is doing, getting rid of inspector generals etc. Getting rid of the education dept. So he has more idiots like you who are dumb enough to believe his lies. I have the feeling this thread will grow over time and you will regret starting it. 1
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 30 minutes ago, 4th&long said: So slowly chipping away at democracy is OK with you? Don't need 500 pages to discuss that yet. Putin Jr. Is starting slow but he is working out of the dictator playbook. Starting with the media and education. He doesn't want someone reporting on what he is doing, getting rid of inspector generals etc. Getting rid of the education dept. So he has more idiots like you who are dumb enough to believe his lies. I have the feeling this thread will grow over time and you will regret starting it. Again it's so easy to see through the left intentions If you are so concerned with Russia and the evil Putin moving through Western Europe why aren't you just as concerned about the tens of millions of Muslim Invaders literally being brought into Europe on purpose by its own leaders I want you to square that for me lol 31 minutes ago, 4th&long said: So slowly chipping away at democracy is OK with you? Don't need 500 pages to discuss that yet. Putin Jr. Is starting slow but he is working out of the dictator playbook. Starting with the media and education. He doesn't want someone reporting on what he is doing, getting rid of inspector generals etc. Getting rid of the education dept. So he has more idiots like you who are dumb enough to believe his lies. I have the feeling this thread will grow over time and you will regret starting it. Also following immigration law is not " chipping away " at democracy, it's actually supporting democracy ....that way your own citizens arent undermined in their political will.
IrishLass Posted March 17 Posted March 17 12 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yes, and Congress has set forth dozens of reasons that don't require a state of war. Are we at war with Venezuela? It's always nice to see Libs defend keeping foreign gangbangers in the country. Fits with the brand! 2 1
The Frankish Reich Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, IrishLass said: It's always nice to see Libs defend keeping foreign gangbangers in the country. Fits with the brand! I now understand that we were at war with Italy when the Mafia ruled major U.S. cities. Thank you for the clarification.
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 28 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I now understand that we were at war with Italy when the Mafia ruled major U.S. cities. Thank you for the clarification. The difference is those Italians were American citizens...these Venezuelan people are not American citizens This is not arbitrary America is not a shopping mall or economic zone. It has a distinct identity and sovereignty that is explicit in the Constitution and has immigration laws. Black Americans are also part of that identity explicit in the 13,14, and 15th amendment. " It literally says "for our posterity in the preamble" America is not Venezuela lol. Venezuela is not America. By your own logic unless there is a official declaration of war, from an official nation state, it would be impossible to remedy against asymmetrical warfare. This is getting really really stupid Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
The Frankish Reich Posted March 17 Posted March 17 35 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: This is getting really really stupid If we are "at war" with Venezuela, then they are ... prisoners of war? Think this through. Obviously Trump (read: Stephen Miller) hasn't.
Kelly to Allen Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: If we are "at war" with Venezuela, then they are ... prisoners of war? Think this through. Obviously Trump (read: Stephen Miller) hasn't. Being attacked asymmetrically by Venezuela doesn't require an official declaration on either side. Especially if they are working with known adversaries like China What matters is the criminal aliens are dealt with and removed. Edited March 17 by Kelly to Allen
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