If Josh did not want to extend his contract and potentially leave, would you blame him?

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Unravel what we have? All we have in Josh Allen and a bunch of guys. 

Dawkins is not just a guy

Brown is not just a guy

Cook is not just a guy

Shakir is not just a guy

Benford is not just a guy

Rousseau is not just a guy

Bernard is not just a guy

Milano is not just a guy

There are a number of good to very good players on the Bills.  So enough of this crap.

[uticaclub]

10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Dawkins is not just a guy

Brown is not just a guy

Cook is not just a guy

Shakir is not just a guy

Benford is not just a guy

Rousseau is not just a guy

Bernard is not just a guy

Milano is not just a guy

There are a number of good to very good players on the Bills.  So enough of this crap.

Yes good players, not great or elite. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Yes good players, not great or elite. 

Not every guy has to be elite.  Good players are not “just another guy”.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Yes good players, not great or elite. 

 

They are not great or elite, agreed. Milano was I think for a period pre-injuries and I think Benford and Brown are trending that way, but right now the only elite player on the Bills is Josh Allen.

 

I am not sure that is quite the same as "just Josh and a bunch of guys" though which was your original statement.

[uticaclub]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They are not great or elite, agreed. Milano was I think for a period pre-injuries and I think Benford and Brown are trending that way, but right now the only elite player on the Bills is Josh Allen.

 

I am not sure that is quite the same as "just Josh and a bunch of guys" though which was your original statement.

Calling them “just guys” may have been a bit harsh, but none of those players would significantly impact another team's chances of becoming a Super Bowl contender if they acquired anyone from the Bills, except for Josh Allen. Currently, Cook, Dawkins, and Brown are the only Bills players considered to be in the Top 15 at their respective positions.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Calling them “just guys” may have been a bit harsh, but none of those players would significantly impact another team's chances of becoming a Super Bowl contender if they acquired anyone from the Bills, except for Josh Allen. Currently, Cook, Dawkins, and Brown are the only Bills players considered to be in the Top 15 at their respective positions.

 

Taron Johnson, Ed Oliver, Christian Benford and Conor McGovern are all top 15 at their positions. Shakir is top 15 if you simply deliniate slot receivers and Bernard would be there are thereabout at MLB.

 

The Bills problem isn't lack of guys top 15 at their positions. It is lack of top 5 guys at their positions. 

[billsfan714]

41 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I don't know one Bills fan that thinks like the bolded.  That is your interpretation of fans being proud of the team we have today vs the one during the drought, no one is satisfied with the overall results.  To the underlined, I don't agree it goes to just negativity, people think the best move is continue with McDermott and the fact they have not won the SB is not proof McDermott is not capable of it.  We don't all have to agree on the path, as fans we all can have our own opinions.  Some think McDermott will never get it done and some don't subscribe to that.   You really think people think Buffalo is not a good landing spot for a good coach today?  I dont think you will find many fans who think that. 

 

The reality is if you really evaluate what McDermott has done I think it is reasonable to argue he should continue.  He is currently 17 among all time coaches n win %.  Above Reid, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Payton, McCarthy and McVay who all have one SB's and were coaching last year. Above him are Sirianni, Harbaugh, Lafleur, and O'Connell.   He is also above Seifert, Belichick, Martz, Cowher, Gibbs and Walsh.   He has not done the one thing that will make him considered great.....yet.   You want to replace him, great, is it not reasonable to ask with who?  Overall the chances things get worse are greater than things getting better.  McDermott does not have the record he has solely because of JA, he brings a lot to the table that many fans ignore.  The Bengals have a franchise QB, they cannot even make the playoffs.

 

If you compare him to Harbaugh.....why don't people want Harbaugh fired....just comparing the last 7 years, Harbaugh has a 2 time MVP, franchise QB and has way less playoff success than McDermott, McDermott is 2-0 vs him in playoff games....yet he gets a pass because he has a SB.

Its great you compared him to a lot of guys who have won a superbowl, but that is the difference.   Its great he's ahead of Lafluer and O'Connell, but at the end of the day it doesn't mean much.  Its like people bragging about our point differential championships, dont mean a thing.  Ive seen our former DC head coach's defenses consistently crap the bed against the chiefs.  What is the playoff avg points given up  vs the Chiefs, like 34 a game against him.   I dont see things getting worse if McD is replaced.   I don't see Josh Morphing into Trent Edwards the following season.   I see the risk aversion, as an acceptance of playoffs and exits, lets keep the status quo.   My question to the let's keep doing what we're doing, is how long?  Are we going to let him past Shottenheimer or go for Marvin Lewis for most season with the same team and no superbowls?   Guys like Chuck Knox and Shottenheimer weren't bad coaches, they just weren't great ones who could get you to the goal. 

[Matt_In_NH]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not every guy has to be elite.  Good players are not “just another guy”.

just looking at this back and forth I will just say you guys are talking past each other to some degree.  I think the point is where are the All Pro level players/blue chip players.  The BIll's have high end players, the list above is that.  But where is the Chris Jones or Travis Kelce to go with the QB.   Where are the other potential future HOFers.....   Both things are true, the Bills have some really good players and they lack numbers of elite level players.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

just looking at this back and forth I will just say you guys are talking past each other to some degree.  I think the point is where are the All Pro level players/blue chip players.  The BIll's have high end players, the list above is that.  But where is the Chris Jones or Travis Kelce to go with the QB.   Where are the other potential future HOFers.....   Both things are true, the Bills have some really good players and they lack numbers of elite level players.

Another elite level guy or two would be great. Having a rusher at that level would make the Bills better for sure.  But winning football teams are built with solid players as a base and we have a lot of them.  So they are not “just another guy”.  Guys like Dawkins, Brown, Cook are impact players on any team.  

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

Its great you compared him to a lot of guys who have won a superbowl, but that is the difference.   Its great he's ahead of Lafluer and O'Connell, but at the end of the day it doesn't mean much.  Its like people bragging about our point differential championships, dont mean a thing.  Ive seen our former DC head coach's defenses consistently crap the bed against the chiefs.  What is the playoff avg points given up  vs the Chiefs, like 34 a game against him.   I dont see things getting worse if McD is replaced.   I don't see Josh Morphing into Trent Edwards the following season.   I see the risk aversion, as an acceptance of playoffs and exits, lets keep the status quo.   My question to the let's keep doing what we're doing, is how long?  Are we going to let him past Shottenheimer or go for Marvin Lewis for most season with the same team and no superbowls?   Guys like Chuck Knox and Shottenheimer weren't bad coaches, they just weren't great ones who could get you to the goal. 

McDermott has accomplished more than both Shottenheimer and Lewis already....not in terms of Super Bowls which is your one and only measure but in terms of playoff wins and playoff win %.   I understand  you can make them equal because they never won a SB but you can separate them if you want to.  You don't see things getting worse if they change but the point is what is the plan, change for changes sake?   Who do you want?   I acknowledged in my post he has not wont he SB and that is the one thing he needs to do, it is not "acceptance" because one believes the best plan is to continue with McDermott. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

Unravel what we have? All we have in Josh Allen and a bunch of guys. 

You can't be serious. James Cook? Khalil Shakira? Dion Dawkins? Greg Rousseau?

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Calling them “just guys” may have been a bit harsh, but none of those players would significantly impact another team's chances of becoming a Super Bowl contender if they acquired anyone from the Bills, except for Josh Allen. Currently, Cook, Dawkins, and Brown are the only Bills players considered to be in the Top 15 at their respective positions.

Dawkins and brown are literally top five tackles lol

 

There's not 6 left tackles with Dion Dawkins resume over the last 7 years

 

And Spencer Brown is absolutely one of the best five great tackles in the world and only getting better 

 

28 out of 32 teams would take our pair of tackles

[Bill from NYC]

14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dawkins and brown are literally top five tackles lol

 

There's not 6 left tackles with Dion Dawkins resume over the last 7 years

 

And Spencer Brown is absolutely one of the best five great tackles in the world and only getting better 

 

28 out of 32 teams would take our pair of tackles

That is an extremely high ranking. i'm not going to argue the point but what I will say is that if depth is not added, the whole thing can rapidly fall apart. The Bills have to protect Josh at all costs.

 

I never want to see the Bills return to the very long period of time where their OL just flat out sucked. Not ever.

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dawkins and brown are literally top five tackles lol

 

There's not 6 left tackles with Dion Dawkins resume over the last 7 years

 

And Spencer Brown is absolutely one of the best five great tackles in the world and only getting better 

 

28 out of 32 teams would take our pair of tackles

 

Spencer was a top 3 right tackle in 2024. I need to see him back up that level of play before I call him overall top 5 but if you are just going on the past season he was unquestionably top 5 at his spot. 

 

And you are right on Dion, in terms of consistency, reliability and longevity his resume definitely belongs in the top 5. Then it is the age - old question about how you value that against the guys who might have a higher ceiling in their best years but have not been as consistent, or are always hurt - I'm thinking the likes of Ronnie Stanley, Terron Armstead, Rashawn Slater etc, or guys who've been in the league less time, or played left tackle less time like Tristan Wifrs or Charles Cross.

[SirAndrew]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:13 PM, Buffalo716 said:

@Coach Tuesday

 

What do you disagree with? 

 

That you think this thread has merit? Josh has said nothing but he plans on retiring a bill since day one 

 

Finishes every single sentence with go bills .. are you calling Josh a liar?

 

Yeah, let me know where you think this thread has merit.. it's complete BS

 

Josh went back to Wyoming because he thought he owed Craig bohl lol you think he's leaving the millions of people that have had his back watching him fulfill his dream of being an NFL star? 

 

I have a bridge to sell

Josh Allen had an opportunity to leave Wyoming? I thought he was lightly recruited, and didn’t receive offers to go elsewhere? I’m just curious, as I’ve never heard this story. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Josh Allen had an opportunity to leave Wyoming? I thought he was lightly recruited, and didn’t receive offers to go elsewhere? I’m just curious, as I’ve never heard this story. 

 

I think he meant as in he decided to go back to school in 2017. At one point he was rumoured to be considering declaring for the 2017 draft instead. 

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he meant as in he decided to go back to school in 2017. At one point he was rumoured to be considering declaring for the 2017 draft instead. 

That makes sense, but I’m not sure if I’d call that loyalty to the coach. Was Allen considered a first round pick if he left early? If he was considered a lower round pick, that might be part loyalty to a coach, but also the right decision to better oneself. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

That makes sense, but I’m not sure if I’d call that loyalty to the coach. Was Allen considered a first round pick if he left early? If he was considered a lower round pick, that might be part loyalty to a coach, but also the right decision to better oneself. 

 

Yea there was a lot of buzz, a year ahead, at the 2017 Combine about the 2018 Quarterback class and particularly Allen and Darnold. He'd have been a first round pick in '17. 

[oldmanfan]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

That is an extremely high ranking. i'm not going to argue the point but what I will say is that if depth is not added, the whole thing can rapidly fall apart. The Bills have to protect Josh at all costs.

 

I never want to see the Bills return to the very long period of time where their OL just flat out sucked. Not ever.

They have Grable, Van Denmark and Anderson can play T as well.  I’m not sure what you’re looking for as far as depth.

[T master]

I don't live in hypotheticals !!! Josh will not leave he's not a quitter !!