If Josh did not want to extend his contract and potentially leave, would you blame him?

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, but will they be relevant?

To me … yes 

[DCofNC]

37 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

To me … yes 

Fair!

[Scott7975]

Why is this even a topic. Josh isn't going anywhere ffs.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

You take extreme positions consistently and then back off them and deny.  You were blaming Josh and Beane and I don't care what you say now.  

 

I do not. What happens is I say sometjing based on reality and then you warp the narrative in your head about what I mean.

 

If you can find one "extreme position" I have taken I am here to listen. Shouldn't be too hard if I am doing it consistently.

 

Do I think our lack of elite talent around Josh is the biggest reason we haven't got over the hump? Yes. I do think that. I don't think that is extreme and while not everyone agrees with me (and you definitely don't) a reasonable chunk of people here do.

[Dr. Who]

51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I do not. What happens is I say sometjing based on reality and then you warp the narrative in your head about what I mean.

 

If you can find one "extreme position" I have taken I am here to listen. Shouldn't be too hard if I am doing it consistently.

 

Do I think our lack of elite talent around Josh is the biggest reason we haven't got over the hump? Yes. I do think that. I don't think that is extreme and while not everyone agrees with me (and you definitely don't) a reasonable chunk of people here do.

Lack of elite talent is the tipping point. We are a very good team, but we consistently come up short because when it's single elimination, we get beat by the teams with elite difference makers on both sides of the ball. Beane got burned by the Von Miller gamble. He needs to get past that and gamble, whether that be FA or the draft.

[Whkfc]

18 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

They need more than just a couple players on Defense.

Well a DE, a DT, CB and a S.

[PromoTheRobot]

There's something about the WNY mindset. While we get insulted when anyone talks crap about us, we also feel inadequate and undeserving of success. It's almost as if we prefer to always be losing because we know that feeling so well. We don't know how to act when we win. 

[billsfan714]

51 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

There's something about the WNY mindset. While we get insulted when anyone talks crap about us, we also feel inadequate and undeserving of success. It's almost as if we prefer to always be losing because we know that feeling so well. We don't know how to act when we win. 

I've actually thought about that also.   Born and raised in WNY.   I think it also goes into the current debate with the inferiority complex.  Just be happy with the playoffs, be happy we don't suck, this is the best Buffalo can do, this is our ceiling, championships are for other cities.  If you bring up maybe a new coach, it goes to negative/inferiority--we will return to the drought years, its never optimism and maybe we could get better.  Never a thought that Buffalo would actually be an attractive landing spot for a good coach---we have a franchise QB.

Edited Saturday at 02:32 PM by billsfan714

[PromoTheRobot]

35 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

I've actually thought about that also.   Born and raised in WNY.   I think it also goes into the current debate with the inferiority complex.  Just be happy with the playoffs, be happy we don't suck, this is the best Buffalo can do, this is our ceiling, championships are for other cities.  If you bring up maybe a new coach, it goes to negative/inferiority--we will return to the drought years, its never optimism and maybe we could get better.  Never a thought that Buffalo would actually be an attractive landing spot for a good coach---we have a franchise QB.

 

 I don't feel that just making the playoffs is good enough. But I don't believe making a change is the answer. We are close and I'd rather keep what we have than roll the dice on a new regime. There's this belief that making a change won't affect what we have now and can only make things better. And I think it's more likely making a coaching and/or GM change will unravel what we have.

[billsfan714]

19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 I don't feel that just making the playoffs is good enough. But I don't believe making a change is the answer. We are close and I'd rather keep what we have than roll the dice on a new regime. There's this belief that making a change won't affect what we have now and can only make things better. And I think it's more likely making a coaching and/or GM change will unravel what we have.

Well different opinions are what message boards are all about.  My thinking is if we have a different coach, Josh doesnt turn into JP Losman. so I dont see an unraveling.  The drought years were all about garbage at the most important position, QB. No coach was going to win consistently with Trent Edwards, Rob Johnson,  JP Losman,  EJ Manuel, etc.  I think one of the best analogies is the Warriors in basketball.   They were bad for long time, got Mark Jackson as coach, he turned them around, got them in the playoffs.   They did realize he wasn't the guy who would get them to their ultimate goal, canned Jackson and hired Kerr and results were multiple championships.   When I watch Josh, Im not risk adverse to a coaching change.  I know Im watching a SB caliber QB.   When I watch Andy Reid/Spags vs our coaches, I see a mismatch.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Whkfc said:

Well a DE, a DT, CB and a S.

Just that right there,if they perform well,is a huge difference. 

[White Linen]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I do not. What happens is I say sometjing based on reality and then you warp the narrative in your head about what I mean.

 

If you can find one "extreme position" I have taken I am here to listen. Shouldn't be too hard if I am doing it consistently.

 

Do I think our lack of elite talent around Josh is the biggest reason we haven't got over the hump? Yes. I do think that. I don't think that is extreme and while not everyone agrees with me (and you definitely don't) a reasonable chunk of people here do.

 

That's just it though.  You're an elitist. You never respect anyone else's opinions if it differs from you. Since you want me to go back and find all these positions for you, I want you to show me where just once you've said you know what, that's a good point, I haven't thought about it that way.  

 

I find that, in and of itself , extreme.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

That's just it though.  You're an elitist. You never respect anyone else's opinions if it differs from you. Since you want me to go back and find all these positions for you, I want you to show me where just once you've said you know what, that's a good point, I haven't thought about it that way.  

 

I find that, in and of itself , extreme.

 

I do that all the time. If you search my profile and "fair" you find plenty of them. That is generally how I start those responses. 

Edited Saturday at 07:11 PM by GunnerBill

[FireChans]

TIL @White Linen has a searing hot hatred for @GunnerBill that he kept under wraps for years.

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

TIL @White Linen has a searing hot hatred for @GunnerBill that he kept under wraps for years.

 

I don't hate anyone, honestly.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

There's something about the WNY mindset. While we get insulted when anyone talks crap about us, we also feel inadequate and undeserving of success. It's almost as if we prefer to always be losing because we know that feeling so well. We don't know how to act when we win. 

We don’t win Championships.

 

We expect the worst because that’s what happens. 
 

So yeah - I think there is a tendency to adopt the little engine that could mindset. 
 

[Mister Defense]

yes

[Matt_In_NH]

On 2/22/2025 at 9:22 AM, billsfan714 said:

I've actually thought about that also.   Born and raised in WNY.   I think it also goes into the current debate with the inferiority complex.  Just be happy with the playoffs, be happy we don't suck, this is the best Buffalo can do, this is our ceiling, championships are for other cities.  If you bring up maybe a new coach, it goes to negative/inferiority--we will return to the drought years, its never optimism and maybe we could get better.  Never a thought that Buffalo would actually be an attractive landing spot for a good coach---we have a franchise QB.

I don't know one Bills fan that thinks like the bolded.  That is your interpretation of fans being proud of the team we have today vs the one during the drought, no one is satisfied with the overall results.  To the underlined, I don't agree it goes to just negativity, people think the best move is continue with McDermott and the fact they have not won the SB is not proof McDermott is not capable of it.  We don't all have to agree on the path, as fans we all can have our own opinions.  Some think McDermott will never get it done and some don't subscribe to that.   You really think people think Buffalo is not a good landing spot for a good coach today?  I dont think you will find many fans who think that. 

 

The reality is if you really evaluate what McDermott has done I think it is reasonable to argue he should continue.  He is currently 17 among all time coaches n win %.  Above Reid, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Payton, McCarthy and McVay who all have one SB's and were coaching last year. Above him are Sirianni, Harbaugh, Lafleur, and O'Connell.   He is also above Seifert, Belichick, Martz, Cowher, Gibbs and Walsh.   He has not done the one thing that will make him considered great.....yet.   You want to replace him, great, is it not reasonable to ask with who?  Overall the chances things get worse are greater than things getting better.  McDermott does not have the record he has solely because of JA, he brings a lot to the table that many fans ignore.  The Bengals have a franchise QB, they cannot even make the playoffs.

 

If you compare him to Harbaugh.....why don't people want Harbaugh fired....just comparing the last 7 years, Harbaugh has a 2 time MVP, franchise QB and has way less playoff success than McDermott, McDermott is 2-0 vs him in playoff games....yet he gets a pass because he has a SB.

[freddyjj]

On 2/20/2025 at 12:43 PM, Virgil said:

Forgive the offseason post, but this thought crossed my mind last night, so flame appropriately.  

 

It's hard for me to argue that Josh has been let down by the defense in key games, especially the playoffs.  You could also say that the Bills were outcoached in most of their playoff losses.  Add in being in the same conference as the Ravens, Bengals, Chiefs, and other improving AFC teams, it's not going to get any easier soon.

 

With being from the west coast and being engaged to a movie star, is it crazy to think it might make more sense for him to want to play out his contract and join a team like the Rams?  He would immediately become the NFL king of LA, have an offensive minded coach, and be closer to home.  I think his chances to get a ring would greatly improve, and he'd get to play in a dome where he excels.

 

To be clear, I don't want any of this to happen.  But if it did, I don't think I could really blame him.  Yes, the Bills took a chance on him, but he was still a top 10 pick and has paid the team and city back well beyond that.  I would hate it, but I would still support him. 

LOL, you came off of sabbatical for this???!!!

 

Any psychiatrists on here who could recommend a good drug to treat passive/aggressiveness?  

 

Never had @Virgil figured for a pot stirrer.

[uticaclub]

On 2/22/2025 at 7:01 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 I don't feel that just making the playoffs is good enough. But I don't believe making a change is the answer. We are close and I'd rather keep what we have than roll the dice on a new regime. There's this belief that making a change won't affect what we have now and can only make things better. And I think it's more likely making a coaching and/or GM change will unravel what we have.

Unravel what we have? All we have in Josh Allen and a bunch of guys.